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Quote from: xSkylarx on September 21, 2022, 06:12:14 PM

Anyone here played games like FGO, Epic Seven, or Summoners War before? Do you consider it to be some kind of gambling addiction if a player whales or spend tons of money in the game just to get a certain item?

For those who don't know, a gacha game is a genre of video game where players pull, spin, or roll using an in-game currency to receive a random item. That item can be something that could make their characters stronger or sometimes it's just some limited skin which has no effect other than to make their characters look cooler.

I have been playing Summoners War for seven (7) years now and I have heard countless of stories where people spend a minimum of $1,000 without getting anything that is useful. In addition, there are tons of videos on YouTube where people spend thousands of dollars in the game without getting as much.

I do recommend that people browse through their reddit page as there are tons of whales in this game where they have their nightmares and stories about spending money.

At least, Epic Seven as a pity counter where it guarantees you to get the monster after summoning 120 times. Unlike in Summoners War, there exists no pity counter.

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Quote from: Alanaz on September 24, 2022, 05:43:14 PM

Game streamers always do things like this, they don't know if there's really a need for them to do it or if they just want to attract viewers for the number of views they need.
Actually, for a streamer like this, especially for someone who has a lot of followers, this doesn't have a big impact because the income from streaming and the number of views they receive are actually comparable, even more worth it. But for people who can be said to not own the platform and join in, this is clearly a bigger loss.

I always find these types of streamers annoying. They make it seem like spending an unnecessary amount of money is no big deal and it sends the wrong message to their viewers. Oftentimes they are sponsored and not really spending as much as it seems but that is not really disclosed to their audience who might be encouraged to spend recklessly when they see the attention the streamer is getting.

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Quote from: serjent05 on September 24, 2022, 02:52:31 PM

I was once got hooked in a game that has Gacha in it. And it is really hard to get the premium item, mostly you get trash items that has no value in-game at all.

Every Gacha game will be pretty much hard to get those premium items and even heroes, well some will surely need special coins to be unlucky and needs a further amount of money to get, too have become addicted to wasting money because of the good rewards that have promised to be given but apparently those Items even if you have paid for the said diamonds you will need to play in on Gacha get, that is the most frustrating part in Gacha games you will expect something but that will not be given eventually,

It's a random item of course, but if you are lucky enough then you can receive premium items but not expect that much.
I've tried some of this before but yeah I was not able to get any good items and for me it's not a waste of money since you are playing that game and one of the thing that can satisfy you is to have good items, spending some money is fine just don't go over your budget and never force yourself to buy those gatcha if its out of budget.

These are mere fun and doesn't make any sense. Just on getting premium products the character gets more powerful. How the developers are making these kinds of games and letting people get addictive. Whether it is gacha or some other form of gambling, limiting ourselves with a fund is a must. Going out of the limit causes financial difficulties and lead to addiction.

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Quote from: YuginKadoya on September 24, 2022, 05:05:10 PM

Quote from: serjent05 on September 24, 2022, 02:52:31 PM

I was once got hooked in a game that has Gacha in it. And it is really hard to get the premium item, mostly you get trash items that has no value in-game at all.

Every Gacha game will be pretty much hard to get those premium items and even heroes, well some will surely need special coins to be unlucky and needs a further amount of money to get, too have become addicted to wasting money because of the good rewards that have promised to be given but apparently those Items even if you have paid for the said diamonds you will need to play in on Gacha get, that is the most frustrating part in Gacha games you will expect something but that will not be given eventually,

It's a random item of course, but if you are lucky enough then you can receive premium items but not expect that much.
I've tried some of this before but yeah I was not able to get any good items and for me it's not a waste of money since you are playing that game and one of the thing that can satisfy you is to have good items, spending some money is fine just don't go over your budget and never force yourself to buy those gatcha if its out of budget.

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Quote from: serjent05 on September 23, 2022, 06:23:54 PM

Quote from: Alanaz on September 23, 2022, 06:04:40 PM

In this case, even though they are wrapped in the world of games, it is clear when you look at the characteristics of gambling that they may be included.
Gatcha is one of the things that is really difficult to avoid when you meet games like this because there are indeed some characters or even very rare costumes but with little chance.
Many people even lose a lot of money in hopes of luck.
Incidentally I personally also played one of the games in which there was a gatcha like this and it is undeniable that I lost a lot of money for the character I wanted in the game.

I agree, Gacha games are created to be enticing. Making people to spend their money in order to get the desired items. Its intention is not to give equal value but to exploit the need of the players and milk them of their money. It adds excitement not to the game aspect but to the wagering aspect which is considered gambling. If the game developer intend not to milk their player then they can just put a flat value and let the player buy it straight. Instead they wanted to rip their players off by introducing Gacha items that has less than 1% of acquisition.

I happen to watch a streamer streaming his gacha event. He spend around $1k (it is already huge in my country and the equivalent of more than 2 months of salary for a regular employee) and as a result, he gets lots of potion that is available in-game without even getting a single premium item.

Game streamers always do things like this, they don't know if there's really a need for them to do it or if they just want to attract viewers for the number of views they need.
Actually, for a streamer like this, especially for someone who has a lot of followers, this doesn't have a big impact because the income from streaming and the number of views they receive are actually comparable, even more worth it. But for people who can be said to not own the platform and join in, this is clearly a bigger loss.

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Quote from: serjent05 on September 24, 2022, 02:52:31 PM

I was once got hooked in a game that has Gacha in it. And it is really hard to get the premium item, mostly you get trash items that has no value in-game at all.

Every Gacha game will be pretty much hard to get those premium items and even heroes, well some will surely need special coins to be unlucky and needs a further amount of money to get, too have become addicted to wasting money because of the good rewards that have promised to be given but apparently those Items even if you have paid for the said diamonds you will need to play in on Gacha get, that is the most frustrating part in Gacha games you will expect something but that will not be given eventually,

This is the only bummer regarding Gacha games but if you are enjoying playing it then I think it is OK as long as you are enjoying it you will really never care if the game is already scamming you without you even realizing it,

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Quote from: xSkylarx on September 21, 2022, 06:12:14 PM

Anyone here played games like FGO, Epic Seven, or Summoners War before? Do you consider it to be some kind of gambling addiction if a player whales or spend tons of money in the game just to get a certain item?

For those who don't know, a gacha game is a genre of video game where players pull, spin, or roll using an in-game currency to receive a random item. That item can be something that could make their characters stronger or sometimes it's just some limited skin which has no effect other than to make their characters look cooler.

Yes you can end up being addicted to that stuff if you are not careful, it is the same we see on the west with loot boxes, kids have used all their money and even the credit cards of their parents to buy loot boxes in many different video games and spent tens of thousands of dollars in the process, as such people need to be incredible careful of when they play video games which encourage purchasing items or in-game currency with real money.

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Quote from: xSkylarx on September 21, 2022, 06:12:14 PM

Anyone here played games like FGO, Epic Seven, or Summoners War before? Do you consider it to be some kind of gambling addiction if a player whales or spend tons of money in the game just to get a certain item?

For those who don't know, a gacha game is a genre of video game where players pull, spin, or roll using an in-game currency to receive a random item. That item can be something that could make their characters stronger or sometimes it's just some limited skin which has no effect other than to make their characters look cooler.

I think playing with bigger funds and having consistent winnings can become an addiction with time if we are not care of the way we play games and the urge we have to earn more winnings. Gambling is a spirit and if we let it control us then we might miss the track and end up becoming a weak gambling falling prey to the easiest feelings.
Self control matters here and this can aid us from easily gaining a bad habit from the way we do things wrongly. I don't thimk I have played this kind of games often but I will try and get more hint of playing it with success.

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I will consider it as gambling as you use real money to buy in-game characters to look cool or getting good stats just like Dota 2 but Dota 2 are more on cool or awesome character designs and no stats increasing items since what they sell are most likely skins and and no stats booster items as far as I know but I do know in other game which youe character will get strong by topping up in-game currency by spending lots ot money. I have experienced it myself buying in-game currency and trying my chance to win it but that game only sell game skins to look cool and if there is then it's only +8 attack for all items/skins.

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Quote from: danherbias07 on September 23, 2022, 11:48:01 PM

It's normal for those who like spending in the game to see how strong they can get.
IMO, it's not really a gamble. It's more of they have money to spend and it gives them a pleasure to see their characters trying to be on top.

The thing is Gacha game does not deliver the product directly unlike those games that make their items have a flat price. Gacha is like taking chance to get an item with a certain percentage. The higher tier the item is the lesser percentage a player can get it. The core mechanics of gacha as one of the replies stated is wagering an amount of money and having a chance to get the desired item. So it includes money, luck, and chance which resembles gambling.

Quote from: danherbias07 on September 23, 2022, 11:48:01 PM

Before, we spend money on MMORPG just so we can get in the game. It will not even make us strong.
Now, gacha games are mostly free to play but to feel the essence of the game you will need to spend real money and buy things that cannot be received just by grinding.
The downside, you cannot sell them. There's no profit back so it's not a gamble.

Gacha games aren't free to play. A player needs to spend money to activate gacha games. the game integrated with gacha game may be free to play but the gacha games for the item are not. The item Being non-transferable is the leeway this game developer has to circumvent the law against gambling.

Quote from: YuginKadoya on September 24, 2022, 02:28:49 PM

I sure have become addicted to some Gacha games and in the past, I have played a series of games that need Gacha real money to get what kind of item, hero, or secret something that you want, and that includes a huge amount of RNG kind of slot or wheel that you will need to play with real money or game money and will be in random order, for me it is very hard to win you don't put a lot of money in the game, that is why I call this time of games as pay to win, some game that I play and here is the list,

I was once got hooked in a game that has Gacha in it. And it is really hard to get the premium item, mostly you get trash items that has no value in-game at all.

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Quote from: xSkylarx on September 21, 2022, 06:12:14 PM

Anyone here played games like FGO, Epic Seven, or Summoners War before? Do you consider it to be some kind of gambling addiction if a player whales or spend tons of money in the game just to get a certain item?

For those who don't know, a gacha game is a genre of video game where players pull, spin, or roll using an in-game currency to receive a random item. That item can be something that could make their characters stronger or sometimes it's just some limited skin which has no effect other than to make their characters look cooler.

I have played similar games, but given that I have always played with the Play4Free scheme, I never thought about the gambling component. Although I knew some players (guild members) who spent significant money on the game. Always found it a waste of money. Now my daughter plays Genshin Impact and I'm glad that although sometimes she wants to spend some money in the game, but in the end she refuses it.

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I sure have become addicted to some Gacha games and in the past, I have played a series of games that need Gacha real money to get what kind of item, hero, or secret something that you want, and that includes a huge amount of RNG kind of slot or wheel that you will need to play with real money or game money and will be in random order, for me it is very hard to win you don't put a lot of money in the game, that is why I call this time of games as pay to win, some game that I play and here is the list,

Dragon Nest
Digimon Links
Kings Raid
Kingdom Wars
Marvel Future Fights
Metal Slug Attack
Pet War
Seven Knights
War Of Crown
Yu-Gi-Oh! Master Duel

And I also got some games that are RNG and play to earn at the same time, but I am just starting in playing here is the list

Crazy Defense Heroes
Crypto Ball Z
Brave Nine

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Not me but I know how it affects kids. Back in my day, game companies in Japan made RPG-styled cards (Dragonball characters, for example), that they'd then sell in packs or machines (insert a coin, turn the machine tomble, a random card comes out).

Now I know there are already collectibles like Panini and trading cards but these were different, on another RPG level. You'd buy packs of cards hoping to get a special edition "skin" for your character (literally, a skin of plastic holographic card atop another card)... or differently powered up versions of the same character just to gain an edge over opponents if you played these cards against them.

Definitely encouraged a lot of people my age then to spend lunch money and gamble with each other to buy more of the cards.

It even tempted me a few times too... and just like gamblers everyone had a theory of how to game the system. In casinos people are sure of a strategy, or some way to read the machine or algorithm. With these cards, we discussed how to turn machine knobs, how to rub the cards inside the packs to "Feel" for the special material. How to read the serial numbers on the packs etc.

Absolute gambling mentality.

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on September 24, 2022, 02:00:46 AM

Quote from: Alanaz on September 23, 2022, 06:04:40 PM

In this case, even though they are wrapped in the world of games, it is clear when you look at the characteristics of gambling that they may be included.
Gatcha is one of the things that is really difficult to avoid when you meet games like this because there are indeed some characters or even very rare costumes but with little chance.
Many people even lose a lot of money in hopes of luck.
Incidentally I personally also played one of the games in which there was a gatcha like this and it is undeniable that I lost a lot of money for the character I wanted in the game.

Maybe that's why people have to spend more money to get very rare characters. Even then, they haven't been able to get them right away. Maybe this requires better self-control considering the amount of money we use can be bigger than other games. So before you spend a large amount of money, you should think twice about buying it and never exceed your budget so you don't regret spending it. But fans of the game won't think about it because they only think about getting these rare characters.

Gatcha game is somehow very addictive, especially to those who really want to make their characters stronger by completing the items that the game offers. There are players who always want to be on top of the game and don't want to be left behind and I guess they are also players who will spend a lot for this game. This is actually exciting and interesting for gamers who gamble at the same time.

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Among the three games that you have listed, I already heard summoners war though I didn't install and play the actual game however I played some of the games which also has an in game purchase and I admit that I already deposited some dollars on them to get a certain item. I don't consider myself as an addict only because of that but I will I think if I spend most of my time playing the game.

Quote from: danherbias07 on September 23, 2022, 11:48:01 PM

It's normal for those who like spending in the game to see how strong they can get.
IMO, it's not really a gamble. It's more of they have money to spend and it gives them a pleasure to see their characters trying to be on top.

Before, we spend money on MMORPG just so we can get in the game. It will not even make us strong.
Now, gacha games are mostly free to play but to feel the essence of the game you will need to spend real money and buy things that cannot be received just by grinding.
The downside, you cannot sell them. There's no profit back so it's not a gamble.

I think for the rich players yes but for the poor players spending big is not their typical thing but they can spend less (gambling) and see if they can get the item at a cheap price. A gacha game account can be sell afaik. There are markets on them usually in social media because some are hoping to get a bigger discount if they will buy the account directly instead of topping up the item themselves.

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Quote from: xSkylarx on September 21, 2022, 06:12:14 PM

Anyone here played games like FGO, Epic Seven, or Summoners War before? Do you consider it to be some kind of gambling addiction if a player whales or spend tons of money in the game just to get a certain item?

For those who don't know, a gacha game is a genre of video game where players pull, spin, or roll using an in-game currency to receive a random item. That item can be something that could make their characters stronger or sometimes it's just some limited skin which has no effect other than to make their characters look cooler.

I'm a gamer and I like playing different game genre including gatcha games. Currently I'm playing Ni No Kuni, A crypto gatcha MMORPG game that has been on the market recently. I really enjoy pulls but I haven't tried doing a massive pulls where whales are spending so much money on it to get their desired items. Gatcha game concepts are in here long time ago and it is still thriving till now because of the excitement on every gatcha pulls we are doing.

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Quote from: Alanaz on September 23, 2022, 06:04:40 PM

In this case, even though they are wrapped in the world of games, it is clear when you look at the characteristics of gambling that they may be included.
Gatcha is one of the things that is really difficult to avoid when you meet games like this because there are indeed some characters or even very rare costumes but with little chance.
Many people even lose a lot of money in hopes of luck.
Incidentally I personally also played one of the games in which there was a gatcha like this and it is undeniable that I lost a lot of money for the character I wanted in the game.

Maybe that's why people have to spend more money to get very rare characters. Even then, they haven't been able to get them right away. Maybe this requires better self-control considering the amount of money we use can be bigger than other games. So before you spend a large amount of money, you should think twice about buying it and never exceed your budget so you don't regret spending it. But fans of the game won't think about it because they only think about getting these rare characters.

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Quote from: xSkylarx on September 21, 2022, 06:12:14 PM

Anyone here played games like FGO, Epic Seven, or Summoners War before? Do you consider it to be some kind of gambling addiction if a player whales or spend tons of money in the game just to get a certain item?

For those who don't know, a gacha game is a genre of video game where players pull, spin, or roll using an in-game currency to receive a random item. That item can be something that could make their characters stronger or sometimes it's just some limited skin which has no effect other than to make their characters look cooler.

First time I am hearing about those games. Also the word gacha game is new to me. This seems to be part of the gambling section within games. Whenever you spend ingame, or real currency for a chance to receive something rare than it's gambling. This isn't really new in the gaming world. For years loot boxes and case opening have been part of large games like Dota or CSGO. Some of the rarest skins can be worth thousands of dollars and there is a whole secondary market for trading those skins. As long as the skins are only cosmetic I don't mind it and support that game, but once rare items give you extra power or special abilities j would stay away from the game and don't support their pay2win setup. What I learned after years of gambling in games is, if you are looking for one particular item than its better to buy the item directly at the secondary market instead of hoping to become lucky in the gambling.

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It's normal for those who like spending in the game to see how strong they can get.
IMO, it's not really a gamble. It's more of they have money to spend and it gives them a pleasure to see their characters trying to be on top.

Before, we spend money on MMORPG just so we can get in the game. It will not even make us strong.
Now, gacha games are mostly free to play but to feel the essence of the game you will need to spend real money and buy things that cannot be received just by grinding.
The downside, you cannot sell them. There's no profit back so it's not a gamble.

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Quote from: xSkylarx on September 21, 2022, 06:12:14 PM

Anyone here played games like FGO, Epic Seven, or Summoners War before? Do you consider it to be some kind of gambling addiction if a player whales or spend tons of money in the game just to get a certain item?

For those who don't know, a gacha game is a genre of video game where players pull, spin, or roll using an in-game currency to receive a random item. That item can be something that could make their characters stronger or sometimes it's just some limited skin which has no effect other than to make their characters look cooler.

I admit to spending lots of money on this kind of game feature even today. Literally, I'm gambling as not all the time, I will get what I wanted on that gacha. Sometimes I feel frustrated that even after spending lots of money, I still can't get my favorite item.

But on the other hand, if I get what I wanted, I feel happy. That's worth my money in my own preference.

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