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Quote from: xSkylarx on September 21, 2022, 06:12:14 PM

Anyone here played games like FGO, Epic Seven, or Summoners War before? Do you consider it to be some kind of gambling addiction if a player whales or spend tons of money in the game just to get a certain item?

For those who don't know, a gacha game is a genre of video game where players pull, spin, or roll using an in-game currency to receive a random item. That item can be something that could make their characters stronger or sometimes it's just some limited skin which has no effect other than to make their characters look cooler.

The eagerness to get those good items and stuff with the money is always there when playing a gacha game therefore, it's a form of gambling.

Sometimes even after spending big money already, players still not getting the items they want because of RNG.

Quote from: serjent05 on September 23, 2022, 06:23:54 PM

It is indeed a gambling, I don't know what is in the mind of the game authority letting this kind of activity to be integrated in a game where mostly kids are playing.

That doesn't make sense. Why game devs are the ones who should blame when in fact, their games are not designed for kids?

The gacha game is one of the sources to support the game financially. It's expensive to maintain an online game.

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Quote from: Alanaz on September 23, 2022, 06:04:40 PM

In this case, even though they are wrapped in the world of games, it is clear when you look at the characteristics of gambling that they may be included.
Gatcha is one of the things that is really difficult to avoid when you meet games like this because there are indeed some characters or even very rare costumes but with little chance.
Many people even lose a lot of money in hopes of luck.
Incidentally I personally also played one of the games in which there was a gatcha like this and it is undeniable that I lost a lot of money for the character I wanted in the game.

I agree, Gacha games are created to be enticing. Making people to spend their money in order to get the desired items. Its intention is not to give equal value but to exploit the need of the players and milk them of their money. It adds excitement not to the game aspect but to the wagering aspect which is considered gambling. If the game developer intend not to milk their player then they can just put a flat value and let the player buy it straight. Instead they wanted to rip their players off by introducing Gacha items that has less than 1% of acquisition.

I happen to watch a streamer streaming his gacha event. He spend around $1k (it is already huge in my country and the equivalent of more than 2 months of salary for a regular employee) and as a result, he gets lots of potion that is available in-game without even getting a single premium item.

Quote from: agustina2 on September 23, 2022, 06:10:17 PM

Since GACHA games involve spending money, and the players really need lots of money just to acquire the target item, then I will consider it gambling.

There are players who will continuously top up for game credits just to roll that spin until they will get what they desire.

For every failure, they will return again and try their luck. No difference when playing in a usual gambling place that if not satisfied, they will continue to gamble.

It is indeed a gambling, I don't know what is in the mind of the game authority letting this kind of activity to be integrated in a game where mostly kids are playing.

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Since GACHA games involve spending money, and the players really need lots of money just to acquire the target item, then I will consider it gambling.

There are players who will continuously top up for game credits just to roll that spin until they will get what they desire.

For every failure, they will return again and try their luck. No difference when playing in a usual gambling place that if not satisfied, they will continue to gamble.

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In this case, even though they are wrapped in the world of games, it is clear when you look at the characteristics of gambling that they may be included.
Gatcha is one of the things that is really difficult to avoid when you meet games like this because there are indeed some characters or even very rare costumes but with little chance.
Many people even lose a lot of money in hopes of luck.
Incidentally I personally also played one of the games in which there was a gatcha like this and it is undeniable that I lost a lot of money for the character I wanted in the game.

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Quote from: dothebeats on September 22, 2022, 04:50:08 PM

Quote from: lionheart78 on September 22, 2022, 02:30:30 PM

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I considered it as gambling no matter what is the reason why it isn't considered one, it matches the definition of gambling that is wagering in the hope to get a better result.

No matter the technicalities are, you can't deny that gacha's core mechanics let you aim for the best-in-slot or best overall character/item/pet/etc. for the money that you are spending. Kinda like slots, there aren't any certainties on the outcome that you'll be getting yet you're still pulling that lever or pushing that button waiting for the best outcome. Gacha just got the same mechanic, except that they are quite generous because you still receive something that can be combined or exchanged for a higher-tier item, or you get a 'pity system' that gets you a guaranteed high-tier item/character after certain amount of rolls.

Indeed, gacha works the same way as gambling, betting something in hopes to gain a better something. The only thing that separates gacha from gambling is the reason that people will always win a prize which is I think in a mere borderline. The majority of those consolation prices are equivalent to almost worthless.

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Quote from: xSkylarx on September 21, 2022, 06:12:14 PM

Anyone here played games like FGO, Epic Seven, or Summoners War before? Do you consider it to be some kind of gambling addiction if a player whales or spend tons of money in the game just to get a certain item?

For those who don't know, a gacha game is a genre of video game where players pull, spin, or roll using an in-game currency to receive a random item. That item can be something that could make their characters stronger or sometimes it's just some limited skin which has no effect other than to make their characters look cooler.

I guess any game that makes you spend a huge amount, bigger than what you’re spending, will certainly fall on gambling addiction. Not maybe a big issue for big whales as they have the funds to spend regardless of the amount, but for regular gamblers, engaging in gacha game and spending a large amount to buy in-game currency means already a big thing. This is the reason why most of the people engage in gacha game are high rollers or big whales as this is quite expensive than ordinary gambling games.

Not saying that kids are exposed to gambling-like activities ( if the authority doesn't considered Gacha Game as gambling) in a rated G game. This is somehow disastrous for kids especially when they develop addiction to it. Authority shouldn't overlook this kind things happening in a rated G game.

Quote from: coin-investor on September 23, 2022, 05:47:16 PM

I am not familiar with Gacha games but looking at what it really means on the internet the result is it's very much similar to loot games an dit originated in Japan and we all know when it comes to gaming the Japanese are the leaders and the innovators

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A gacha game (Japanese: ガチャゲーム, Hepburn: gacha gēmu) is a video game that implements the gacha (toy vending machine) mechanic. Similar to loot boxes, gacha games entice players to spend in-game currency to receive a random in-game item. Some in-game currency generally can be gained through game play, and some by purchasing it from the game publisher using real-world funds.

Most implementors of the Gacha model are free-to-play (F2P) mobile games. The gacha game model began to be widely used in the early 2010s, particularly in Japan.Most of the highest-grossing mobile games in Japan use it, and it has become an integral part of Japanese mobile game culture.

There's potential in this game and maybe one day developers can integrate this kind of game into the Cryptocurrency industry, whatever there's popular in one niche the Crypto developers are open to integrating it into the industry.

Gacha like stuff are already implemented in cryptocurrency industry through Loot boxes in NFT projects.

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I am not familiar with Gacha games but looking at what it really means on the internet the result is it's very much similar to loot games an dit originated in Japan and we all know when it comes to gaming the Japanese are the leaders and the innovators

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A gacha game (Japanese: ガチャゲーム, Hepburn: gacha gēmu) is a video game that implements the gacha (toy vending machine) mechanic. Similar to loot boxes, gacha games entice players to spend in-game currency to receive a random in-game item. Some in-game currency generally can be gained through game play, and some by purchasing it from the game publisher using real-world funds.

Most implementors of the Gacha model are free-to-play (F2P) mobile games. The gacha game model began to be widely used in the early 2010s, particularly in Japan.Most of the highest-grossing mobile games in Japan use it, and it has become an integral part of Japanese mobile game culture.

There's potential in this game and maybe one day developers can integrate this kind of game into the Cryptocurrency industry, whatever there's popular in one niche the Crypto developers are open to integrating it into the industry.

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Quote from: xSkylarx on September 21, 2022, 06:12:14 PM

Anyone here played games like FGO, Epic Seven, or Summoners War before? Do you consider it to be some kind of gambling addiction if a player whales or spend tons of money in the game just to get a certain item?

haven't played any of those games but I have played other MMORPGs that have gacha system in the game. anyway, personally I consider gacha as a kind of gambling since you need to spend money and it relies on RNG. the only difference between gacha and other RNG based gambling games is that the reward in gacha is in-game items instead of money.

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Quote from: xSkylarx on September 21, 2022, 06:12:14 PM

Anyone here played games like FGO, Epic Seven, or Summoners War before? Do you consider it to be some kind of gambling addiction if a player whales or spend tons of money in the game just to get a certain item?

For those who don't know, a gacha game is a genre of video game where players pull, spin, or roll using an in-game currency to receive a random item. That item can be something that could make their characters stronger or sometimes it's just some limited skin which has no effect other than to make their characters look cooler.

I guess any game that makes you spend a huge amount, bigger than what you’re spending, will certainly fall on gambling addiction. Not maybe a big issue for big whales as they have the funds to spend regardless of the amount, but for regular gamblers, engaging in gacha game and spending a large amount to buy in-game currency means already a big thing. This is the reason why most of the people engage in gacha game are high rollers or big whales as this is quite expensive than ordinary gambling games.

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Quote from: xSkylarx on September 21, 2022, 06:12:14 PM

Anyone here played games like FGO, Epic Seven, or Summoners War before? Do you consider it to be some kind of gambling addiction if a player whales or spend tons of money in the game just to get a certain item?

For those who don't know, a gacha game is a genre of video game where players pull, spin, or roll using an in-game currency to receive a random item. That item can be something that could make their characters stronger or sometimes it's just some limited skin which has no effect other than to make their characters look cooler.

This just sounds for another type of game that supports a form of microtransactions? I take it the underlying game is more turn based, like you might find with hearthstone, but with more advanced graphics and animations involved. Not sure I'd call this a separate genre, because it is a monetization type utilized across many platforms and different types of games - from racing to fighting. I guess the real distinction would be you're not buying a specific item but gambling at what might be a tiny chance of winning a super rare prize. It's a bit sad that these companies are allowed to get away with it because it is probably one of the most nefarious types of gambling, especially when no in-game item trading is allowed.

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Quote from: lionheart78 on September 22, 2022, 02:30:30 PM

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I considered it as gambling no matter what is the reason why it isn't considered one, it matches the definition of gambling that is wagering in the hope to get a better result.

No matter the technicalities are, you can't deny that gacha's core mechanics let you aim for the best-in-slot or best overall character/item/pet/etc. for the money that you are spending. Kinda like slots, there aren't any certainties on the outcome that you'll be getting yet you're still pulling that lever or pushing that button waiting for the best outcome. Gacha just got the same mechanic, except that they are quite generous because you still receive something that can be combined or exchanged for a higher-tier item, or you get a 'pity system' that gets you a guaranteed high-tier item/character after certain amount of rolls.

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Quote from: Solosanz on September 22, 2022, 10:43:45 AM

Quote from: Doell on September 22, 2022, 09:09:12 AM

so for me personally playing gambling is better go directly to the source such as casino to collect a lot of money.

Are you sure? can you give me a proof of your account history to show me how much did you deposit and how much did you withdraw? Tongue

I say this because most of gamblers are lose due to house edge, but you're saying you have collected a lot money from gambling. If the gambler has sole purpose to earn money, I believe sooner or later he will become a gambling addict. For me gambling is for fun because I'm more interested to play with my friends to enjoy the game together, so I'm not really looking to earn money. Losing money in gambling is a normal thing that should be in our own mind.

Nope, I'ill not give any proof regarding deposits and withdraw, that's a private matter, but all I can tell you a bit is the possibility I also often lose Cheesy

. I say it's just (better), rather than having to play a that game just isn't profitable (for me).
Try guess, how many people spend money in games "based on the game regarding the content in this thread" I guess maybe tens of thousands dollars. That's just for satisfaction, maybe the game account can be sold but the profit is not worth the struggle that has been passed, so I think it's better to gamble. But I'm glad to see you corrected my opinion.

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Quote from: KennyR on September 22, 2022, 12:16:52 AM

These games are popular in specific region of the world. Moreover it turns to be a addictive game which helps people avoid over spending through other forms of gambling. It is something like dressing up the Barbie doll by the little kids. In game currency being used, maybe the same with cryptocurrency might interest some of us to explore it.

They're trying to push them everywhere these days. Youtubers get paid for advertising them, you can get commercials in other android games and so on.
They're addicting but the most important part is they bring a lot of revenue because you don't have to run big servers to host games. These games don't require a lot of data, they're relatively light on servers and everything is basically done by player's device. Only very little information is exchanged between the main server and your phone. This means that you don't need big support team and a great connection to your servers but people's imagination works wonders and makes them feel like they're building a character there, even if all they get is a number next to one of their stats. I wouldn't pay for it but some people do.

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I agree they can be considered gambling. Players may get addicted on the rewards and won't measure any limits in order to acquire what they want. They can spend hundreds of even thousands of dollars until winning the desired skin or skill in order to stand out among other players or maintain a top position on the game's ranking.

The only difference to traditional gambling is that in this case players aren't looking for money or profit with their gambling addiction. They are looking for status and prestige.

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Quote from: xSkylarx on September 21, 2022, 06:12:14 PM

Anyone here played games like FGO, Epic Seven, or Summoners War before? Do you consider it to be some kind of gambling addiction if a player whales or spend tons of money in the game just to get a certain item?

For those who don't know, a gacha game is a genre of video game where players pull, spin, or roll using an in-game currency to receive a random item. That item can be something that could make their characters stronger or sometimes it's just some limited skin which has no effect other than to make their characters look cooler.

Gacha game is somehow on the borderline of gambling but somehow is not considered as is because of technicalities. You can see the argument of why and why not a gacha game is a gambling in this article. [1]
I will quote some part of the argument :

Why it is gambling:

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The purpose of these social currencies is likely to be two-fold. One the one hand, using an artificial currency makes transactions feel less real and often encourages players to spend more than they would using real money. This tactic is, of course, akin to the use of betting chips in a casino. Secondly, offering social currencies enables developers to place an extra step between the purchase and the part of the process that could be considered gambling.

Why it is not gambling:

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Players will always get something for their money, with even duplicate rewards being exchangeable for other resources. Secondly, the aforementioned purchase of social currency cannot really be considered a random outcome. If players are exchanging $40 of cash for $40 of social currency, they’re obtaining a known quantity – and this currency can often be used for other in-game purchases that aren’t randomly-generated. From a purely legal perspective, many international statutes also require the prize to be a “thing of value” before playing for it to be considered gambling.

I considered it as gambling no matter what is the reason why it isn't considered one, it matches the definition of gambling that is wagering in the hope to get a better result.

[1] https://www.casino.org/blog/gacha-games-gambling/

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Quote from: xSkylarx on September 21, 2022, 06:12:14 PM

Anyone here played games like FGO, Epic Seven, or Summoners War before? Do you consider it to be some kind of gambling addiction if a player whales or spend tons of money in the game just to get a certain item?

For those who don't know, a gacha game is a genre of video game where players pull, spin, or roll using an in-game currency to receive a random item. That item can be something that could make their characters stronger or sometimes it's just some limited skin which has no effect other than to make their characters look cooler.

I have not played those games before but I am well aware of their existence.
When comes to gaming I prefer to enjoy games which are one time purchase. I personally do not like where the gaming industry is heading by the introduction of exaggerated micro-transactions or loot boxes.

Gacha games in my opinion are another form of gambling, it has its own target public, and there is nothing wrong with having as much variety as possible of games, but it is important to call them what they really are and do not allow minors to get addicted to these kind of addicting experiences. Children and teens under 18 should stick to experiences where in-game currency (with irl value) has nothing to do with the fundamental mechanics of the product whatsoever.

Of course, I have no problems with adults enjoying these games, though.

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Quote from: xSkylarx on September 21, 2022, 06:12:14 PM

Anyone here played games like FGO, Epic Seven, or Summoners War before? Do you consider it to be some kind of gambling addiction if a player whales or spend tons of money in the game just to get a certain item?

For those who don't know, a gacha game is a genre of video game where players pull, spin, or roll using an in-game currency to receive a random item. That item can be something that could make their characters stronger or sometimes it's just some limited skin which has no effect other than to make their characters look cooler.

Almost every game has such in app purchases and that's how mostly the gaming company makes money and for yes its definitely a kind of addiction and lot worse than gambling because no matter what they get, they are simply taking chances for nothing other than digital avatar which doesn't have any value at all.

Many government noticed this and banned such games or in app purchases because kids purchase lot of items with their parents cards.

Well, it doesn't have anything to do with gambling, its simply gaming addiction to the core.

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Quote from: xSkylarx on September 21, 2022, 06:12:14 PM

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Personally, my opinion is that such games are certainly gambling. You spend money and get a chance to win a game item of varying rarity. There is excitement in it when you play this game on a regular basis and I believe that such people can acquire a gaming addiction. I can say the same about people who buy NFTs. After all, their trade is also very much dependent on random chance, which means it can also be attributed to gambling.

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Used to be an addict in Summoner's War, and I make sure that I always top-up for the weekly packages because at the time, it was where you get the most value out of your spending. Luckily I pulled myself out of that money sink and whenever I check my debit card history from 2016 to 2017, I almost always choke because I still can't believe that I downed more than $5,000 on a game that has no resale value whatsoever. You only literally play for the glory and the ranking, and I'm a sucker for ranking-centric games then and Summoner's War is that game wherein I can leave it afk and still get work done. Right now I am still playing gacha games (Genshin, Mir4) but never spent a single dime on them anymore because of what 2016-2017 taught me Cheesy

You can say that it's also gambling addiction, because you are always hoping for an S-tier or SSS+ roll every single time, but of course that's not gonna happen not unless you spend money to get more chances on the said pull.

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Quote from: xSkylarx on September 21, 2022, 06:12:14 PM

Anyone here played games like FGO, Epic Seven, or Summoners War before? Do you consider it to be some kind of gambling addiction if a player whales or spend tons of money in the game just to get a certain item?

I've never played any of those games but I remember watching a streamer play one of the three games and if it could provide them better chances of winning then it's more likely for people to buy those and potentially become addicted. Sometimes they'd even held events or quests that would earn you a small amount of in-game currency which could encourage you to spend actual money. It's not easy to say someone's addicted just because they've spend a lot but it can be a trigger to start their addiction.

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Quote from: Doell on September 22, 2022, 09:09:12 AM

so for me personally playing gambling is better go directly to the source such as casino to collect a lot of money.

Are you sure? can you give me a proof of your account history to show me how much did you deposit and how much did you withdraw? Tongue

I say this because most of gamblers are lose due to house edge, but you're saying you have collected a lot money from gambling. If the gambler has sole purpose to earn money, I believe sooner or later he will become a gambling addict. For me gambling is for fun because I'm more interested to play with my friends to enjoy the game together, so I'm not really looking to earn money. Losing money in gambling is a normal thing that should be in our own mind.

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