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August 11, 2023, 12:21:07 AM
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Actually gambling using signature campaign payment is good because as you said signature campaign isn't stable income, so you're just gamble using a free money you make in this forum while the money you earn from job in real life already allocated for your monthly need.

Why should force yourself to keep gambling everyday, every week or every month?
yep, but not all use the free money from signature to gamble.

talk about other people who are outside this forum. maybe they force themselves to gamble every day there is some possibility that consider gambling as a job and bet consistently in sports betting or they are addicted. in this case it is almost the same, but gamblers who bet every day think of it as income, have consistent and strict predictive analysis and always calculate the losses or wins they get, they can be said to be professional gamblers. but for those who are addicted, do not think about the results obtained or defeats that are never counted, just betting to vent their addiction. with this addiction, someone definitely does not have a job that only costs money every day and when one day the money runs out he always has a way to keep gambling, for example borrowing money from anyone to keep gambling.

and still gambling using borrowed money is very risky and it will make a person not only addicted to continuing to gamble but also addicted to borrowing anywhere to get money.
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August 11, 2023, 12:05:28 AM
So, when the urge reaches the point where they just can't do it anymore, they start looking for people who can lend them some money, they will say that they will return it soon but they most probably lose it in gambling because gambling does that to everyone, and then they get in trouble because of the loan.
This is exactly why people should never take out loans for gambling. It's incredibly risky and can make your problems get worse or you'd face really bad issues. When you borrow money for gambling, there's no guarantee that you'll get the funds back since gambling is very risky and your chances could be low for that to happen and you can end up losing everything at any time. To avoid this high risk, you should never consider using loans to gamble. It won't be a good experience at all, believe me.
I agree gambling using loan money leads to more destruction along with myself, the family also suffers a lot. Taking a gambling loan makes it bankrupt you also use them to sell valuable assets and pay off gambling debts. Furniture electronics jewelry even your car are all things you can sell to pay off your gambling debt. Day by day feel despair and lead to loss therefore it is better to avoid it and bet according to your own money, the risk here is less. Even if you lose you don't have to get involved in the trouble of debt council also taking loans for gambling causes destruction of social peace.
In the context of my country, I will describe the horrors of taking loans from banks or taking loans from non-government organizations (NGOs). My neighbor is a traditional gambler who sometimes participates in village gambling by withdrawing money from NGOs. Sometimes he loses gambling and physically abuses his wife which we as neighbors have prosecuted him many times. But because he could not pay the money of the NGO, he sold all his land and house and now he is bankrupt. He is now mentally damaged and heavily addicted to drugs and currently wanders around mad. This is basically the evil of withdrawing money from banks or NGOs and joining gambling in the financial situation of Bangladesh.
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August 10, 2023, 11:38:31 PM
So, when the urge reaches the point where they just can't do it anymore, they start looking for people who can lend them some money, they will say that they will return it soon but they most probably lose it in gambling because gambling does that to everyone, and then they get in trouble because of the loan.
This is exactly why people should never take out loans for gambling. It's incredibly risky and can make your problems get worse or you'd face really bad issues. When you borrow money for gambling, there's no guarantee that you'll get the funds back since gambling is very risky and your chances could be low for that to happen and you can end up losing everything at any time. To avoid this high risk, you should never consider using loans to gamble. It won't be a good experience at all, believe me.
I agree gambling using loan money leads to more destruction along with myself, the family also suffers a lot. Taking a gambling loan makes it bankrupt you also use them to sell valuable assets and pay off gambling debts. Furniture electronics jewelry even your car are all things you can sell to pay off your gambling debt. Day by day feel despair and lead to loss therefore it is better to avoid it and bet according to your own money, the risk here is less. Even if you lose you don't have to get involved in the trouble of debt council also taking loans for gambling causes destruction of social peace.
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August 10, 2023, 05:32:13 PM

I saw many high rank users here that asking for loan and directly deposit the loan amount on gambling account. I want to know what's the experience on using loan money. Is there additional pressure on gameplay or just the same using regular money without an interest rate.
I am happy that you are also a high ranked member here so you can likewise take a review on that and try to get some loan and vet with it. You might borrow very little amount below $100 and try to know what will be the outcome of that. This is going to help you a lot to understand how things could go and it might not be a good idea especially when you are in funds and don't need to borrow to try it out. This is just my own view and I know that every other persons might have a contrary view from this one I have just pointed out.
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August 10, 2023, 04:16:46 PM
The problem is that they don't think about the risks and instead borrow money to gamble. This mistake is repeated by those interested in getting wins from gambling so by borrowing money, they put their hopes of winning even though it is still difficult to get these wins.

It doesn't mean, they don't think about the risks before making a loan. but in most cases, they are unable to overcome the overwhelming desire to fulfill their strong urge to gamble. however, because they do not have capital or money as a medium as a betting tool, then they will try to borrow money wherever it comes from. even most of them realize, that the step they are taking is a high-risk mistake. then, like you said. mistakes that are repeated many times, but the fact is they are not deterred from doing it again and again. Usually, most cases of gamblers like this think that this time they will win the bet and even hope to get the jackpot. then they will repay the loan immediately, unfortunately in practice it is not as simple as most addicts think.


If they get a salary from their job, they should use the money instead of having to borrow, especially if they don't know how to pay all the money they borrowed if they lose. And it's true that even without borrowing money, we can lose, so instead of getting in trouble from borrowing that money, we should just avoid it.

Ideally, we should set aside a budget from the salary you get from work without having to borrow just to gamble. with the money we set aside, we don't have to make loans and don't even have to be responsible for returning it. because, we only play from a percentage of the salary we get.
The point is that it is highly discouraged to make loans for gambling, especially just to fulfill high desires.
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August 10, 2023, 04:11:30 PM
You are right, as long as we can calculate correctly that we can return the loan money on time regardless of the results of gambling I think we will be fine, so not everyone who borrows to gamble is because he is addicted but because he already knows that it will be able to return the loan money without any problems, such as members who are used to using the results of signature campaigns to gamble, it will not be a problem for them to borrow first to do their gambling because there might be a very interesting promotion or event that can provide additional benefits, and when he receives payment, he will be able to pay, but it is not recommended to do the same thing over and over again because one day you will be able to exceed your ability to pay because you feel it is the best way to continue gambling so that it will bring you difficulties to pay off debts because it would be better to only gamble with money that is our own, not the result of debt.

A signature campaign is also not a guaranteed income, today there is a signature campaign, but tomorrow it may end. I think that a gambling loan can be taken by someone who understands that he can win, and an additional source of income will be like a safety net.

But on the other hand, if a player knows how to win, then he must have money from past victories, and in this case, why should he take a loan? If simply increasing the bet is also not a good decision, because it happens that the bet can be lost, why increase the risk by increasing the bet to a large size?

Besides, even if you're in a signature campaign, there is no guarantee that in the end of the week you will have your cut because a lot of factors can arise within the week that might be a reason why you will not have your cut in full or worse, nothing at all. Also, there's no need for a loan for that, so let's go back to the topic.

I actually never heard that having a loan just to gamble is a good thing, well yes there is this chance that you will win no matter what the odds are but speaking of the odds, you should also know that even before you gamble, your chances to win is already small enough and there is never a guarantee that you can give that loan back along with its interests. In the end, you might've dug your own grave if it turns out that luck is not with you during the activity.
We know that signature campaigns arent that permanent on which it would really be just that normal that its not something that we could really be able to rely on in speaking about having some loans and you are
that making a guarantee with your camp paycheck in every week. What if you dont have other sources on which on the time that signature would suddenly stopped? For sure  you would really be finding yourself get fucked up. In overall sense on which its never ever been that ideal that you would really be making  yourself that taking a loan for you to gamble because you are just simply making yourself that dig on your own grave.
Unless if you are really that responsible on paying up those loans in time but in making a wise idea then its never been that good on taking up such step. Paying up some interest additional on the amount loaned plus
you would be losing all of those money in gambling is such a devastating type of condition on which i dont really like to experience. This is why as much as possible i do really gamble on the amount which is really that
sufficient or having that limit so that i wont really be putting up myself on huge problem or issues.
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August 10, 2023, 03:58:14 PM
I knew that there's many topic like this in the past that asking advice about loaning for gambling. The intention of this thread is determined what's the actual feeling when you are using a loan money on gambling knowing that there's an interest rate on your borrowed money which means you already lose part of your money before you start gambling.

I saw many high rank users here that asking for loan and directly deposit the loan amount on gambling account. I want to know what's the experience on using loan money. Is there additional pressure on gameplay or just the same using regular money without an interest rate.
I bet you know the answer already but you just want to hear from the actual gamblers how risky and how stupid it is to gamble on the borrowed money. Only inexperienced gamblers do that since they are not completely aware that the moment they gamble, they’re already putting their money at a loss.

However, with luck at some point, gambling using loaned money might also end up being profitable but in most cases, gambling using other money will definitely end up losing them all plus you get to pay it’s annoying interest monthly.
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August 10, 2023, 02:28:32 PM
You are right, as long as we can calculate correctly that we can return the loan money on time regardless of the results of gambling I think we will be fine, so not everyone who borrows to gamble is because he is addicted but because he already knows that it will be able to return the loan money without any problems, such as members who are used to using the results of signature campaigns to gamble, it will not be a problem for them to borrow first to do their gambling because there might be a very interesting promotion or event that can provide additional benefits, and when he receives payment, he will be able to pay, but it is not recommended to do the same thing over and over again because one day you will be able to exceed your ability to pay because you feel it is the best way to continue gambling so that it will bring you difficulties to pay off debts because it would be better to only gamble with money that is our own, not the result of debt.

A signature campaign is also not a guaranteed income, today there is a signature campaign, but tomorrow it may end. I think that a gambling loan can be taken by someone who understands that he can win, and an additional source of income will be like a safety net.

But on the other hand, if a player knows how to win, then he must have money from past victories, and in this case, why should he take a loan? If simply increasing the bet is also not a good decision, because it happens that the bet can be lost, why increase the risk by increasing the bet to a large size?

Besides, even if you're in a signature campaign, there is no guarantee that in the end of the week you will have your cut because a lot of factors can arise within the week that might be a reason why you will not have your cut in full or worse, nothing at all. Also, there's no need for a loan for that, so let's go back to the topic.

I actually never heard that having a loan just to gamble is a good thing, well yes there is this chance that you will win no matter what the odds are but speaking of the odds, you should also know that even before you gamble, your chances to win is already small enough and there is never a guarantee that you can give that loan back along with its interests. In the end, you might've dug your own grave if it turns out that luck is not with you during the activity.
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August 10, 2023, 02:19:09 PM
Signature campaigns are really not stable if you are just relying on them, but again, mostly those people who took out loans just to gamble are somewhat expecting huge wins, but again, we know the risk that they could lose it all, and for sure, they take out loans as they have lost all of their winnings, so it is still possible to bet, but it is not possible as they don't have money now unless they still have those winnings, and they want to win big by adding money, which is a bad move. But for me, it is their decision, but it is really a bad one as you'll be paying for the money that is already gone.

We can use the payment from the signature campaign when they are exist.If they doesn't available the salary will be the best option to use for the gambling,you should split the salary to different parts.When the loan was used to the gambling,mostly you get bankrupt.Because we don't know whether we are going to win or loss.Some people use to keep on deposit to get all the loss from the gambling site.It's impossible one,only possible when you had good luck at that time.After winning,keep the winning money in the website and withdrew the old money to your wallet.
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August 10, 2023, 01:13:33 PM
~ Why should force yourself to keep gambling everyday, every week or every month?

I understand the situation when a person forces himself to wake up early in the morning and go to work. I understand the situation when a person who decided to lose weight forces himself to refuse to eat. But how to force yourself to gamble I can not even imagine. Personally, I gamble when I want to, but I try to minimize the number of gambling sessions per month in order not to get addicted to gambling. 

It is so addictive that you forget what is happening around your surrounding. What I felt best was when you as in me started winning in a continuous session. Being a responsible gambler I try my level best to restrict my bankroll. It is not easy when you are into crypto gambling as the money in the form of cryptocurrency is always ready to be used. Its ability to get transferred to the depositing wallet in a few seconds makes it more irresistible. I have now shifted to the skill games and still I am playing more luck games and that is why I am looking for more offers.

It is true that a cryptocurrency account can be funded in a few minutes, but the main point of gambling restrictions is that you have to prohibit yourself from funding your gambling account. I can advise you one trick, which is to keep cryptocurrencies in staking. This not only prevents you from spending them on gambling, but also from selling them during panic in the markets. I have been saved many times by keeping my funds in staking.
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August 10, 2023, 11:34:15 AM
things I don't want to repeat a second time, using borrowed money to play gambling. once I did that where it occurred to me at the time that I would win the game and I would get profits and my debt would be paid off. but what happened was that I experienced a loss, so this made me confused and confused about paying bills,  which caused me to be a little depressed until I finally sold my personal items to pay off the debt.

but departing from that incident made me a wiser gambling player not to play gambling with money where it was clear what it was for.

Selling personal items is not the most extreme measure for a gambler who starts having problems with self-control and borrowed funds. I read a story about a guy who sold all the furniture from the apartment he rented twice, because he needed money for betting. And only when the landlady of the apartment called him and said that she was going to him, he understood what he had done. Both times his parents paid the owners of the apartment damages for furniture and appliances. And it's still good when a dependent gambler has rich parents and they have the opportunity to cover his debts. Many others would have had no choice, and they would have gone to jail.
but here the most important thing is to realize the mistakes that have been made.
and I am very lucky to be able to realize this error as soon as possible, otherwise my fate would not have been much different from what you said ended up in iron bars.

I will only continue to evaluate myself to continue to improve my skills and knowledge, at least even if I can't win the gambling game, but at least I can minimize the losses in it to avoid the worse effects of gambling addiction.
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August 10, 2023, 10:24:13 AM
~ Why should force yourself to keep gambling everyday, every week or every month?

I understand the situation when a person forces himself to wake up early in the morning and go to work. I understand the situation when a person who decided to lose weight forces himself to refuse to eat. But how to force yourself to gamble I can not even imagine. Personally, I gamble when I want to, but I try to minimize the number of gambling sessions per month in order not to get addicted to gambling.  

It is so addictive that you forget what is happening around your surrounding. What I felt best was when you as in me started winning in a continuous session. Being a responsible gambler I try my level best to restrict my bankroll. It is not easy when you are into crypto gambling as the money in the form of cryptocurrency is always ready to be used. Its ability to get transferred to the depositing wallet in a few seconds makes it more irresistible. I have now shifted to the skill games and still I am playing more luck games and that is why I am looking for more offers.
legendary
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August 10, 2023, 10:16:47 AM
~ Why should force yourself to keep gambling everyday, every week or every month?

I understand the situation when a person forces himself to wake up early in the morning and go to work. I understand the situation when a person who decided to lose weight forces himself to refuse to eat. But how to force yourself to gamble I can not even imagine. Personally, I gamble when I want to, but I try to minimize the number of gambling sessions per month in order not to get addicted to gambling. 
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August 10, 2023, 10:00:18 AM
Signature campaigns are really not stable if you are just relying on them, but again, mostly those people who took out loans just to gamble are somewhat expecting huge wins, but again, we know the risk that they could lose it all, and for sure, they take out loans as they have lost all of their winnings, so it is still possible to bet, but it is not possible as they don't have money now unless they still have those winnings, and they want to win big by adding money, which is a bad move. But for me, it is their decision, but it is really a bad one as you'll be paying for the money that is already gone.
Actually gambling using signature campaign payment is good because as you said signature campaign isn't stable income, so you're just gamble using a free money you make in this forum while the money you earn from job in real life already allocated for your monthly need.

Why should force yourself to keep gambling everyday, every week or every month?
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August 10, 2023, 09:43:19 AM
If they think, I don't think they will continue of borrowing money. It's not right to only think about the positives. We should think the negative too so that we can't end up in a wrong decision. I don't think those who lost, never pay their loans. They could get in serious trouble if they plan so. Maybe they are given more time to re-pay it. They still can find a job. If they have it already, then they can add a side hustle to earn money which can be used to pay the loans.

Without a loan, losing in gambling is still there, so we must only play with amounts that we can afford to lose or better to play using fake money only if completely avoiding gambling is not possible.
The problem is that they don't think about the risks and instead borrow money to gamble. This mistake is repeated by those interested in getting wins from gambling so by borrowing money, they put their hopes of winning even though it is still difficult to get these wins.

If they get a salary from their job, they should use the money instead of having to borrow, especially if they don't know how to pay all the money they borrowed if they lose. And it's true that even without borrowing money, we can lose, so instead of getting in trouble from borrowing that money, we should just avoid it.

The compelling reason why they do that? In my opinion, it's because they're so ambitious there that they don't think twice about taking out a loan.
Yes, when they have the ambition to continue to pursue victory in gambling, this can encourage these people to use any money so they can play it, even if it is borrowed money.
And this has happened to me where at that time I made a lottery bet and my guess was only one digit difference, which made me continue to have the ambition to get a win and place lots of numbers and increase the bet, but unfortunately at that time my capital ran out so I decided to borrow money so I could place a bet.
But it seems that the goddess of fortune is on my side so I can pay the bills for the wins I get, otherwise maybe I will be confused to pay the bills.

even though at that time I won, I didn't want to go back to using the borrowed money to be used as gambling capital, because this made me very worried if I didn't get a win.
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August 10, 2023, 06:48:47 AM
The problem is that they don't think about the risks and instead borrow money to gamble. This mistake is repeated by those interested in getting wins from gambling so by borrowing money, they put their hopes of winning even though it is still difficult to get these wins.

If they get a salary from their job, they should use the money instead of having to borrow, especially if they don't know how to pay all the money they borrowed if they lose. And it's true that even without borrowing money, we can lose, so instead of getting in trouble from borrowing that money, we should just avoid it.
Yes, it's true that those who have income and are paid as workers can limit their gambling budgets instead of borrowing, on average those who borrow are mostly people who play with little money, when they lose gambling they don't have cash so they have to borrow moneylenders who it's in a land casino because most of the land casinos that I see have more lending and borrowing activities.

But even so, there are also those who borrow money to gamble at online casinos. It's true that we should never borrow money to gamble because we have to know that gambling has risks, so don't make things worse when you lose big when you have to borrow money, especially from loan sharks, just watch. many cases of addict gamblers who have committed suicide because they are in debt and bankrupt, gambling with loans is not a solution and the right way
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August 10, 2023, 06:10:31 AM
If they think, I don't think they will continue of borrowing money. It's not right to only think about the positives. We should think the negative too so that we can't end up in a wrong decision. I don't think those who lost, never pay their loans. They could get in serious trouble if they plan so. Maybe they are given more time to re-pay it. They still can find a job. If they have it already, then they can add a side hustle to earn money which can be used to pay the loans.

Without a loan, losing in gambling is still there, so we must only play with amounts that we can afford to lose or better to play using fake money only if completely avoiding gambling is not possible.
The problem is that they don't think about the risks and instead borrow money to gamble. This mistake is repeated by those interested in getting wins from gambling so by borrowing money, they put their hopes of winning even though it is still difficult to get these wins.

If they get a salary from their job, they should use the money instead of having to borrow, especially if they don't know how to pay all the money they borrowed if they lose. And it's true that even without borrowing money, we can lose, so instead of getting in trouble from borrowing that money, we should just avoid it.

The compelling reason why they do that? In my opinion, it's because they're so ambitious there that they don't think twice about taking out a loan. It mostly happens because they have experienced great disappointment in gambling, maybe they have lost a lot of things there. If they already have the courage to take a loan to gamble then I'm sure they will continue to do so, as long as there are other people or agents who want to lend money, they will continue to do so with borrowed money, and they don't think about the risk of losing at all. No matter how much money you use will have absolutely no effect on your winnings, if it's a losing time then you lose and if it's a lucky time then you will win. Gambling is completely unpredictable, even if you are very confident in doing so but still everything will return to their respective luck. Oh well I also have a gambler friend and every month he just spends his salary money to pay the debt he uses to gamble, it looks very silly haha.
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August 10, 2023, 05:50:40 AM
You are right, as long as we can calculate correctly that we can return the loan money on time regardless of the results of gambling I think we will be fine, so not everyone who borrows to gamble is because he is addicted but because he already knows that it will be able to return the loan money without any problems, such as members who are used to using the results of signature campaigns to gamble, it will not be a problem for them to borrow first to do their gambling because there might be a very interesting promotion or event that can provide additional benefits, and when he receives payment, he will be able to pay, but it is not recommended to do the same thing over and over again because one day you will be able to exceed your ability to pay because you feel it is the best way to continue gambling so that it will bring you difficulties to pay off debts because it would be better to only gamble with money that is our own, not the result of debt.

A signature campaign is also not a guaranteed income, today there is a signature campaign, but tomorrow it may end. I think that a gambling loan can be taken by someone who understands that he can win, and an additional source of income will be like a safety net.

But on the other hand, if a player knows how to win, then he must have money from past victories, and in this case, why should he take a loan? If simply increasing the bet is also not a good decision, because it happens that the bet can be lost, why increase the risk by increasing the bet to a large size?

Signature campaigns are really not stable if you are just relying on them, but again, mostly those people who took out loans just to gamble are somewhat expecting huge wins, but again, we know the risk that they could lose it all, and for sure, they take out loans as they have lost all of their winnings, so it is still possible to bet, but it is not possible as they don't have money now unless they still have those winnings, and they want to win big by adding money, which is a bad move. But for me, it is their decision, but it is really a bad one as you'll be paying for the money that is already gone.
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August 10, 2023, 05:15:21 AM
If they think, I don't think they will continue of borrowing money. It's not right to only think about the positives. We should think the negative too so that we can't end up in a wrong decision. I don't think those who lost, never pay their loans. They could get in serious trouble if they plan so. Maybe they are given more time to re-pay it. They still can find a job. If they have it already, then they can add a side hustle to earn money which can be used to pay the loans.

Without a loan, losing in gambling is still there, so we must only play with amounts that we can afford to lose or better to play using fake money only if completely avoiding gambling is not possible.
The problem is that they don't think about the risks and instead borrow money to gamble. This mistake is repeated by those interested in getting wins from gambling so by borrowing money, they put their hopes of winning even though it is still difficult to get these wins.

If they get a salary from their job, they should use the money instead of having to borrow, especially if they don't know how to pay all the money they borrowed if they lose. And it's true that even without borrowing money, we can lose, so instead of getting in trouble from borrowing that money, we should just avoid it.
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August 10, 2023, 02:58:51 AM
You are right, as long as we can calculate correctly that we can return the loan money on time regardless of the results of gambling I think we will be fine, so not everyone who borrows to gamble is because he is addicted but because he already knows that it will be able to return the loan money without any problems, such as members who are used to using the results of signature campaigns to gamble, it will not be a problem for them to borrow first to do their gambling because there might be a very interesting promotion or event that can provide additional benefits, and when he receives payment, he will be able to pay, but it is not recommended to do the same thing over and over again because one day you will be able to exceed your ability to pay because you feel it is the best way to continue gambling so that it will bring you difficulties to pay off debts because it would be better to only gamble with money that is our own, not the result of debt.

A signature campaign is also not a guaranteed income, today there is a signature campaign, but tomorrow it may end. I think that a gambling loan can be taken by someone who understands that he can win, and an additional source of income will be like a safety net.

But on the other hand, if a player knows how to win, then he must have money from past victories, and in this case, why should he take a loan? If simply increasing the bet is also not a good decision, because it happens that the bet can be lost, why increase the risk by increasing the bet to a large size?
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