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Quote from: Kelward on December 27, 2023, 07:01:11 AM

I know that it's said that you should gamble the amount that you can afford to loose, but will you call it a true fun when you know that there's a higher probability of losing your bet?

If you're not comfortable with that fact and you cannot have fun knowing that there's a big probability of losing then don't gamble, casinos are business operated to make profit its not cheap to set up an online casinos the cost is too big and this is not a cash cow of people, though some people tries to make it as their cash cow.

You can try the easy way and that is by accepting that your chance is 50/50 and have fun with the games or the hard by trying to make the casino you're cash cow but expect to get disappointed because the house has an edge and that edge will play out anytime, so if you're already winning and you think that calling a day is a good idea then do so, or you could lose your winning and will have to chase your losses and eventually get disappointed.

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The average gambler does it to win money, having fun at gambling is the second goal after money.
I can say that because most gamblers have the same mindset, even if there is research then I am very sure that the main goal of the average gambler is money. I'm not really sure how many gamblers do it for fun, whereas here many do it for the money. I don't see this being a problem as long as they gamble responsibly, but if they fail to do so then they should be prepared to face dire consequences.

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Quote from: mirakal on December 28, 2023, 09:06:15 AM

Quote from: inthelongrun on December 28, 2023, 06:43:55 AM

Remove the winning from gambling and there are still some people who will play. It's like going to a movie house or a computer gaming cafe. Some people call it illogical since we can watch movies at home or play games at home. But it's the experience. People simply just have different tastes in entertainment.

Not applicable for me because the reason why I am gambling is to win. Although I know myself that winning is unlikely in the long run, but I am still gambling because I'm enjoying the moment I win. If there's no winning in gambling, then it's not called gambling anymore, because it's a gamble, we gamble money for a reward, just like a business, we gamble by investing to be successful, here we gamble to win.

I find people insane when they are still gambling despite knowing they have no chance of winning.

Most people literally gamble to win, you cannot deny that as a gambler you would not want to win and take profits. Gambling is pure luck, we already know that the chances of winning are pretty low but when you win, your money could be doubled up or tripled, so we are still hoping to win and might get the timing of the probability of winning. It is indeed insane that people who gamble knowing the fact that they have no chance of winning keep continuing, the reason is for fun. I mean there's no fun in losing cause the one who's gonna benefit is the house itself. We might have different ways of entertainment, we just need to be responsible and limit ourselves, cause it might cause addiction in the long term knowing the fact that it doesn't do anything good but still we continue.

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It's not easy to admit that we have lost money when gambling, but we can still consider it a fun activity. But we should be able to do it, especially if we use gambling just for fun and not to make money. Perhaps we need to reduce gambling activities so that we won't think long about the losses we experience and just think it is normal to experience losses from gambling. And as long as we just want to gamble without any desire to win the gambling game, I think it is still acceptable that we have fun from gambling. Maybe relaxing and gambling can relieve our tension after finishing a day's activities. By trying to accept whatever happens after we finish gambling, we will still be able to return to gambling even though we will return after some time, maybe a week or a month. But that's okay because our goal in gambling is only to get entertainment.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on December 28, 2023, 06:43:55 AM

Remove the winning from gambling and there are still some people who will play. It's like going to a movie house or a computer gaming cafe. Some people call it illogical since we can watch movies at home or play games at home. But it's the experience. People simply just have different tastes in entertainment.

Not applicable for me because the reason why I am gambling is to win. Although I know myself that winning is unlikely in the long run, but I am still gambling because I'm enjoying the moment I win. If there's no winning in gambling, then it's not called gambling anymore, because it's a gamble, we gamble money for a reward, just like a business, we gamble by investing to be successful, here we gamble to win.

I find people insane when they are still gambling despite knowing they have no chance of winning.

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Quote from: Questat on December 28, 2023, 02:43:50 AM

Quote from: Outhue on December 28, 2023, 02:35:25 AM

It's probably a lie for someone like you OP, but not for me, because I know it's near impossible to beat the casino, that's why I believe that having fun and risking few dollars is the best approach to gambling, you think otherwise? Do you thing, but I can assure you that you will have stories to tell about how you lost a lot to gambling.

I have lost some money too but not a lot that could have gotten me sometime better, it's the type of money that I can give someone for free without expecting them to pay me back, it's not worth losing a lot to gambling and it's so possible to end up on this path if you strongly believe in gambling, I don't, and I don't want to, still I choose to enjoy some games risking very little amount of money.

Same with me, I find gambling fun because I don't count my losses, although deep inside I know that I already lose a lot of money as of now but due to the entertainment factor that gambling is bringing into my life, I'm still here because my big wins makes me smile everytime I remember them.

IMO, losing in gambling is not a problem since it's normal, and as long as we have a consistent source of income, either from our job or our own business, we will sure be living a satisfied life while ocassionally gambling as well, or maybe even regularly as long as we will not risk beyond our limit.

I think that's how it should be, gambling doesn't have to count the losses that have occurred and this happens to people who gamble whose aim is just to have fun like you, most of those who gamble because their aim is to make money or double their money, by This usually makes their emotions uncontrollable when they lose and want to chase a win that can cover the losses they have made. because in my opinion a different view of gambling can lead to certain things, viewing it as entertainment alone probably won't cause problems in the future, but if you view gambling as a way to double your money, maybe this will make them stressed because the percentage of losses in gambling is higher. Gamblers are more likely to lose than to win.
I agree with you, losing in gambling is a normal thing because in gambling, in my opinion, there are only losses and wins, but the percentage of wins is smaller than the percentage of losses, and in my opinion, luck will determine whether you win or lose in gambling.

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Quote from: piebeyb on December 28, 2023, 05:22:41 AM

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A healthy mindset will enable gamblers to gamble healthily, not too follow their ambitions to win big and follow their emotions just for the sake of money, gamblers must be able to enjoy the game so they are not too careless in managing the tempo of the bets made, the point is to remain in proper control therefore It is important to control yourself so as not to get trapped and addicted to gambling.

The important advice is self-control, which will give control to everything done when gambling.
But it is quite difficult for beginners who are starting to get into gambling with the money they have.
I myself, even when I started playing just to try, the money I deposited ran out quickly because I didn't have any strategy and liked some of the games available.

Now I prefer football betting because it's more real, and I can watch my favorite clubs play and while placing a little bet try to guess who's going to win.

The tempo of the bet must be set and should not use all the money, there must be a tempo or strategy that must be applied so that you have control over everything that is done including how to use money to gamble.
Start slowly and do gambling like just a game that can give profits or even losses and does not cross the limit or rules that have been made.

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Quote from: Kelward on December 28, 2023, 06:07:15 AM

Quote from: Odohu on December 27, 2023, 08:18:14 AM

I'm being tempted to agree with you that gambling for fun is a lie we tell ourselves to make us feel better in the midst of losses. I don't really condemn the proponents of such since its a strategy for reducing the pain of losing. But the reality is that no one gamble for fun. The primary reason for gambling is money and more money. Remove the money from gambling and see how many of those championing gambling for fun will still be there.

If you remove winnings from gambling, I wonder how many gamblers that will still come back to gamble, beyond having fun, there's a subtle challenge in our minds that we're coming back to win and recover lost money. Because we've told our selves that we're gambling for fun, it suppresses the feelings that we want to gamble to win, if not why would you have fun playing games that you have high probability of losing. The consolation that I see for reasonable gamblers is that they gamble the amount that they can afford to loose, so the frustration of eventual lose can reduce. The exceptions that I see are money bags who have enough money to throw away without minding, because they have it in surplus.

You talked a lot but I wonder if you already have decent gambling experience. Or have you ever been to a land-based casino? Otherwise, why listen to you? Do you even understand how the house edge works? Do you know the rate of house edge on the different games? But I understand that only people with extra money and have the kind of risk tolerance should gamble. Maybe gambling is not fit for you.

Remove the winning from gambling and there are still some people who will play. It's like going to a movie house or a computer gaming cafe. Some people call it illogical since we can watch movies at home or play games at home. But it's the experience. People simply just have different tastes in entertainment.

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Quote from: Odohu on December 27, 2023, 08:18:14 AM

I'm being tempted to agree with you that gambling for fun is a lie we tell ourselves to make us feel better in the midst of losses. I don't really condemn the proponents of such since its a strategy for reducing the pain of losing. But the reality is that no one gamble for fun. The primary reason for gambling is money and more money. Remove the money from gambling and see how many of those championing gambling for fun will still be there.

If you remove winnings from gambling, I wonder how many gamblers that will still come back to gamble, beyond having fun, there's a subtle challenge in our minds that we're coming back to win and recover lost money. Because we've told our selves that we're gambling for fun, it suppresses the feelings that we want to gamble to win, if not why would you have fun playing games that you have high probability of losing. The consolation that I see for reasonable gamblers is that they gamble the amount that they can afford to loose, so the frustration of eventual lose can reduce. The exceptions that I see are money bags who have enough money to throw away without minding, because they have it in surplus.

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Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on December 28, 2023, 02:07:05 AM

So, what I usually say to people is, it is not by force to play gambling for fun, you could from time to time play for money, but make sure to not count the losses too important like I said before, make sure to enjoy the game, and be happy overall, whether in winning or losing, this is how to be a healthy gambler.

Yes, everyone has the right to choose to gamble for money or for fun as long as it is under proper control, there is no problem with that because usually people overdo it and become addicted to gambling because they gamble for money, which is different from gamblers who have fun even though we know Having fun in this case doesn't mean it's not for money, it just means changing our mindset so that it doesn't become our demand to win when gambling. I'm sure you understand the meaning.

A healthy mindset will enable gamblers to gamble healthily, not too follow their ambitions to win big and follow their emotions just for the sake of money, gamblers must be able to enjoy the game so they are not too careless in managing the tempo of the bets made, the point is to remain in proper control therefore It is important to control yourself so as not to get trapped and addicted to gambling.

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Quote from: Kelward on December 27, 2023, 07:01:11 AM

I know for sure that if we take periodic account of how many times that we gamble, maybe weekly, monthly or yearly, we'll find out that the loses are far greater than the winnings, so I sometimes wonder how we can be indulging in something that we lose far more than we gain, in the name of having fun. I know that it's human nature to want to conquer, defeat, control and be the leader, yet we go into gambling knowing that the system doesn't give us a fair advantage of achieving these aims, yet we're happy to go back and likely be defeated again.

Perhaps deep down in our conscience, somewhere that we don't like to listen to, it still tells us the truth that the reason why we're going to gamble is to hopefully win money, not really to have fun.

I know that it's said that you should gamble the amount that you can afford to loose, but will you call it a true fun when you know that there's a higher probability of losing your bet?

As long as you have a dopamine boost in your brain while you gamble, then yes, gambling is fun. Having a dopamine boost isn't "lying to yourself". Your body and your brain is having fun, I don't think that your body and brain can lie. Maybe your rational mind denies the fact that gambling is fun, but your subconscious mind wants more and more dopamine and this is what dominates and controls your behavior.
If you gamble with the sole purpose of "making money" gambling becomes stressful and the "having fun" part goes away.
Is gambling a productive way to spend time and money? Nope. Some activities and hobbies are fun and productive. Gambling isn't productive at all. That's why gambling is considered a bad habit, just like porn, gaming, drinking alcohol, doing drugs.

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Quote from: Outhue on December 28, 2023, 02:35:25 AM

It's probably a lie for someone like you OP, but not for me, because I know it's near impossible to beat the casino, that's why I believe that having fun and risking few dollars is the best approach to gambling, you think otherwise? Do you thing, but I can assure you that you will have stories to tell about how you lost a lot to gambling.

I have lost some money too but not a lot that could have gotten me sometime better, it's the type of money that I can give someone for free without expecting them to pay me back, it's not worth losing a lot to gambling and it's so possible to end up on this path if you strongly believe in gambling, I don't, and I don't want to, still I choose to enjoy some games risking very little amount of money.

Same with me, I find gambling fun because I don't count my losses, although deep inside I know that I already lose a lot of money as of now but due to the entertainment factor that gambling is bringing into my life, I'm still here because my big wins makes me smile everytime I remember them.

IMO, losing in gambling is not a problem since it's normal, and as long as we have a consistent source of income, either from our job or our own business, we will sure be living a satisfied life while ocassionally gambling as well, or maybe even regularly as long as we will not risk beyond our limit.

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It's probably a lie for someone like you OP, but not for me, because I know it's near impossible to beat the casino, that's why I believe that having fun and risking few dollars is the best approach to gambling, you think otherwise? Do you thing, but I can assure you that you will have stories to tell about how you lost a lot to gambling.

I have lost some money too but not a lot that could have gotten me sometime better, it's the type of money that I can give someone for free without expecting them to pay me back, it's not worth losing a lot to gambling and it's so possible to end up on this path if you strongly believe in gambling, I don't, and I don't want to, still I choose to enjoy some games risking very little amount of money.

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Quote from: retreat on December 28, 2023, 01:54:15 AM

But that's gambling. Whether we like it or not, we gamble and feel how it can give us excitement, happiness and entertainment, but there are times when it gives us stress and anger, but we still play and don't feel unfair about it.
I don't want to be a hypocrite, but sometimes I also feel that why do I gamble when I have a losing streak, but when I hit a winning streak it all pays off. It's funny when you think about it, but even now I still gamble and still enjoy it without thinking too much about my losses.

Yeah, if there is one thing certain in gambling, it's the fact that it's an activity filled with bend corners, the fact that gambling should mainly be for fun does not mean that its one without challenges.

In the real world, people get injured while doing something they love to do, this is also the same with gambling, I could lose a good amount of money while having fun, and on the other hand, I could win a good amount of money as well, but what I think is most important is that, we don't count the loses too important, for when we win, we wil be happy and forget totally about the number of times we lost.

So, what I usually say to people is, it is not by force to play gambling for fun, you could from time to time play for money, but make sure to not count the losses too important like I said before, make sure to enjoy the game, and be happy overall, whether in winning or losing, this is how to be a healthy gambler.

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Quote from: Sakanwa on December 27, 2023, 10:56:01 PM

This topic amuses me, because it is a bitter truth.It is really true that we lie to ourselves that gambling is fun especially when we lose money,and we still say it's fun.

That words mostly comes from people who does not even know gambling but needs to make a comment for their post to be counted because how stupid is someone that can called it fun when they are losing?

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There is nobody who will derive joy in something that is removing money from his bank account.Every gambler who says gambling is fun is not a regular gambler, because if he was a regular gambler,he will calculate the amount he loses every minutes that he plays,and the amount lost each time he plays,and then he will see whether it will be a thing of fun or something to cry about.Gambling of a truth can never be fun because of the loses involved.

Maybe it is welcome to tell that you have fun while playing and can consider also while losing because there are still chance to recover but once all the capital is gone ? then that is full stupidity to say its fun when you are going home without even gas money because of losing.

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There is no way to know if someone is lying about having fun in gambling but I have seen someone who quit from gambling because he had hopes of changing his life using gambling and it doesn't work out, after few months of quitting he is back and this time only to have fun.

I think that those who later find out that gambling with the hope to make wealth is impossible are those who decide to proceed using what they can afford to lose and stop chasing money, I consider such people smart, because they learn their lessons fast, where some people are trapped in the delusion like forever.

Gambling is fun only if you make it to be fun, and expectations of money must be neutralized first before you will start enjoying your time when gambling, go slower and stay in the safest side, using small amount of money, you will do great

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But that's gambling. Whether we like it or not, we gamble and feel how it can give us excitement, happiness and entertainment, but there are times when it gives us stress and anger, but we still play and don't feel unfair about it.
I don't want to be a hypocrite, but sometimes I also feel that why do I gamble when I have a losing streak, but when I hit a winning streak it all pays off. It's funny when you think about it, but even now I still gamble and still enjoy it without thinking too much about my losses.

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Quote from: Kelward on December 27, 2023, 07:01:11 AM

I know for sure that if we take periodic account of how many times that we gamble, maybe weekly, monthly or yearly, we'll find out that the loses are far greater than the winnings, so I sometimes wonder how we can be indulging in something that we lose far more than we gain, in the name of having fun. I know that it's human nature to want to conquer, defeat, control and be the leader, yet we go into gambling knowing that the system doesn't give us a fair advantage of achieving these aims, yet we're happy to go back and likely be defeated again.

If you settle down and read this your post again and again, you will realize that you just explained how fun gambling can be despite our loss experiences and it's never a lie we tell ourselves. The fact is that practically, fun and gambling can not be totally separated and it doesn't matter of whether you are winning or losing because the very nature of gambling is designed to be exciting and thrilling and it's this excitement that makes it to be so appealing. Gambling can be a form of entertainment and can provide excitement and a sense of risk and the potential to win money make it to be more fun despite that it's unlikely.

I know the pain of losing money and losing too much of your money to gambling will not let you to see the fun part of the gambling hence, the idea of responsible gambling with the amount of money you can afford to lose and enjoy the fun aspect of the game. Winning is just an added advantage. You pay, you enjoy the moment and you probably win some money again if you're lucky.

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I don't think this is overall lie for average person in society. But regular gambler can hardly become "fun seeking gambler". When someone starts gambling regularly, probably daily or at least 4 times a week - he will %90 turn into money seeking type of gambler. After couple of wins you get through your bets you will definitely start enjoying only winning part of that gambling adventure. Money converts people. This is sort of dark truth about gambling community. Luckily it is not very hard to tackle in my opinion.

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Quote from: Sakanwa on December 27, 2023, 10:56:01 PM

This topic amuses me, because it is a bitter truth.It is really true that we lie to ourselves that gambling is fun especially when we lose money,and we still say it's fun.There is nobody who will derive joy in something that is removing money from his bank account.Every gambler who says gambling is fun is not a regular gambler, because if he was a regular gambler,he will calculate the amount he loses every minutes that he plays,and the amount lost each time he plays,and then he will see whether it will be a thing of fun or something to cry about.Gambling of a truth can never be fun because of the loses involved.

As long as the money is money that we can afford, and it doesn't matter if the money ends up being used for gambling, we shouldn't feel like we are lying to ourselves because we already know that the money can be used for gambling, but we still gamble. If we know and don't want to lie to ourselves and don't want to see the money just run out because of gambling, we don't need to gamble. No one asks us to gamble, but it is because of our own desire that we really want to gamble, so we know the consequences. The important thing is that we can enjoy gambling games in our free time and not worry about everything that will happen after we finish gambling because that is the money we can afford to gamble with. It's different if we really want to chase victory and gamble with a certain amount of money but suddenly, we lose and spend all the money. There is a feeling of regret for why we gamble.

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