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Quote from: wiss19 on December 29, 2023, 11:31:32 AM

Do you think that rich people don't gamble? If you think so, you are wrong. And do you think that they gamble to win money? Of course not, because they already have a lot of money and they don't need to earn money from gambling as they have enough sources of income already. So, they gamble just for fun and they consider it an activity of the rich as they often tend to choose to do what requires a lot of money so that they can show the world that they are rich and they can afford a very expensive lifestyle.

So, it depends on one's financial ability and their mindset about gambling in general, and that mindset is often a result of the financial capabilities of a person, which means that if you are rich and can afford it, you will just enjoy gambling, but if you are not rich and still gambling, it means you are looking for money through it.

I fully agree wit you, there are rich as there are poor people that enjoy gambling. It doesn't really depend on how much money we have, because gambling is usually possible and small sizes. So, everybody can choose how much money he is willing to bet with. Rich people have the exact same winning chances that we have, the only difference is that their bankroll is larger and they are not at risk to go broke so quickly. I believe the fun and excitement from gambling is not connected to our own personal financial situation. Also, just visiting a physical casino can be a lot of fun without betting a lot of money ourselves. Usually people like to drink and gamble, because alcohol is either free or cheap at the casinos. The company we are with at the casinos is also important for having a good time. Just because I lost some money doesn't mean the night was a complete failure if I am with my best friends.

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Quote from: Odohu on December 27, 2023, 08:18:14 AM

I'm being tempted to agree with you that gambling for fun is a lie we tell ourselves to make us feel better in the midst of losses. I don't really condemn the proponents of such since its a strategy for reducing the pain of losing. But the reality is that no one gamble for fun. The primary reason for gambling is money and more money. Remove the money from gambling and see how many of those championing gambling for fun will still be there.

No you shouldn't be tempted if that is already happening to you. But, there are still people who really gambles for fun. It can be in a way that they only use tiny amounts of money, or they don't deposit at all. Lying is wrong even if we say that it's a kind of strategy.

There are still strategies in which we don't need to lie (I already said that earlier). If our main purpose to play gambling is to earn a profit, then we should stand up straight or be confident with that. There is no need to lie or be a pussy and regret later on. If we remove the aspect of real money in gambling, obviously there will be a noticeable decline of users but there are still people who will stay.

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Do you think that rich people don't gamble? If you think so, you are wrong. And do you think that they gamble to win money? Of course not, because they already have a lot of money and they don't need to earn money from gambling as they have enough sources of income already. So, they gamble just for fun and they consider it an activity of the rich as they often tend to choose to do what requires a lot of money so that they can show the world that they are rich and they can afford a very expensive lifestyle.

So, it depends on one's financial ability and their mindset about gambling in general, and that mindset is often a result of the financial capabilities of a person, which means that if you are rich and can afford it, you will just enjoy gambling, but if you are not rich and still gambling, it means you are looking for money through it.

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Quote from: Kelward on December 27, 2023, 07:01:11 AM

I know for sure that if we take periodic account of how many times that we gamble, maybe weekly, monthly or yearly, we'll find out that the loses are far greater than the winnings, so I sometimes wonder how we can be indulging in something that we lose far more than we gain, in the name of having fun. I know that it's human nature to want to conquer, defeat, control and be the leader, yet we go into gambling knowing that the system doesn't give us a fair advantage of achieving these aims, yet we're happy to go back and likely be defeated again.

Perhaps deep down in our conscience, somewhere that we don't like to listen to, it still tells us the truth that the reason why we're going to gamble is to hopefully win money, not really to have fun.

I know that it's said that you should gamble the amount that you can afford to loose, but will you call it a true fun when you know that there's a higher probability of losing your bet?

IMO is there any standard limit to being happy about everything in life? OP, what do you think joy is? I think many people will have the same feeling as me about the experience, like you travel to wild places that are far from the reality of your life before, but is that the joy you want? Yes, in gambling sometimes confusion of opinions causes us to have disagreements, but even those disagreements, to me are part of the spice of life. One person is willing to spend an amount of money that another person can lose, and one person plans to have more money in the same field. If possible, try to put your thoughts into each person's situation to understand better. I think expressing personal views in an imposing manner will not be the way to achieve usefulness in debate, so if you can't agree, everyone should do whatever they feel is right and suitable (with responsibility/or irresponsibility).

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Quote from: Natsuu on December 29, 2023, 07:31:14 AM

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You will also lose money when you want to pursue pleasure through other means, those who think traveling is to get pleasure will spend money to get that sensation and other means, so it is quite natural that there are gamblers who think that they are playing just to get pleasure even though you have lost a lot.
And even though it is to get pleasure, of course he will still hope to win, the only thing that differentiates people who gamble for pleasure from others is that whatever the result will not affect his attitude or thoughts, and can always accept it as a natural thing, and can stop at any time when already get the pleasure.
So when we play because we want to have fun but also hope to win, it is not a lie but a reality that cannot be ignored.

Well losing really depends on personal preferences. Some enjoy the excitement of uncertainty, while others might prefer activities with more predictable outcomes. Just be sure to keep it within your budget.

Youre right that whether it's traveling or gambling, spending money for pleasure is common. Some people gamble for the thrill and fun, even if they don't always win. The trick is being cool with whatever happens and knowing when to call it quits after enjoying the ride.

Everyone doesn't one to lose but we have different level of tolerance on how much the amount we can lose or how far we can go since if we exceed to our limits then it will be no fun anymore since we are totally in destructive behavior for having that occurrence.

But if we are still fine then still inside of intended budget I guess having fun is not actually a lie since there are people can able to handle that thing and they are there just to get something what can entertain since they had nothing to do for some time. Some people prefer to have thrill and that people enjoys a lot while gambling. But those other people expect about a lot of profit to be taken but turn out they lose all the money they have are the one who will not enjoy about things they have done.

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Quote from: Strongkored on December 29, 2023, 07:20:06 AM

Quote from: Kelward on December 27, 2023, 07:01:11 AM

I know that it's said that you should gamble the amount that you can afford to loose, but will you call it a true fun when you know that there's a higher probability of losing your bet?

You will also lose money when you want to pursue pleasure through other means, those who think traveling is to get pleasure will spend money to get that sensation and other means, so it is quite natural that there are gamblers who think that they are playing just to get pleasure even though you have lost a lot.
And even though it is to get pleasure, of course he will still hope to win, the only thing that differentiates people who gamble for pleasure from others is that whatever the result will not affect his attitude or thoughts, and can always accept it as a natural thing, and can stop at any time when already get the pleasure.
So when we play because we want to have fun but also hope to win, it is not a lie but a reality that cannot be ignored.

Well losing really depends on personal preferences. Some enjoy the excitement of uncertainty, while others might prefer activities with more predictable outcomes. Just be sure to keep it within your budget.

Youre right that whether it's traveling or gambling, spending money for pleasure is common. Some people gamble for the thrill and fun, even if they don't always win. The trick is being cool with whatever happens and knowing when to call it quits after enjoying the ride.

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Quote from: Kelward on December 27, 2023, 07:01:11 AM

I know that it's said that you should gamble the amount that you can afford to loose, but will you call it a true fun when you know that there's a higher probability of losing your bet?

You will also lose money when you want to pursue pleasure through other means, those who think traveling is to get pleasure will spend money to get that sensation and other means, so it is quite natural that there are gamblers who think that they are playing just to get pleasure even though you have lost a lot.
And even though it is to get pleasure, of course he will still hope to win, the only thing that differentiates people who gamble for pleasure from others is that whatever the result will not affect his attitude or thoughts, and can always accept it as a natural thing, and can stop at any time when already get the pleasure.
So when we play because we want to have fun but also hope to win, it is not a lie but a reality that cannot be ignored.

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Basically, gambling is place full of defeats, in fact anyone who gambles will definitely experience defeat.
It all depends on ourselves whether we can accept all the impacts of losing from gambling which will obviously always happen, if we can accept it then there is no need to regret or even feel disappointed if the loss is much more than what we earn.
After all we come to gambling site and risk some money not to make money and of course we are here in the gambling industry when we only aim to have fun then losses are just payment for the enjoyment and pleasure we feel.
Like when we go to entertainment venues or go on holiday to tourist attractions, we definitely spend money too and let just say that we gamble as if we are looking for entertainment or pleasure.

Moreover, if you only take into account wins and losses it will only lead to disappointment and this can give rise to feelings of trying to try to recover all the losses that have occurred.
Gamble according to your abilities and use the money you can possibly receive when you lose it, then change the goal of gambling as an activity that produces pleasure, so losing is not something that will make you feel loss because you lost money.

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Quote from: Awaklara on December 28, 2023, 10:18:05 PM

Quote from: Kelward on December 28, 2023, 06:07:15 AM

If you remove winnings from gambling, I wonder how many gamblers that will still come back to gamble, beyond having fun, there's a subtle challenge in our minds that we're coming back to win and recover lost money. Because we've told our selves that we're gambling for fun, it suppresses the feelings that we want to gamble to win, if not why would you have fun playing games that you have high probability of losing. The consolation that I see for reasonable gamblers is that they gamble the amount that they can afford to loose, so the frustration of eventual lose can reduce. The exceptions that I see are money bags who have enough money to throw away without minding, because they have it in surplus.

but if you enjoy the games you play at gambling, it will only make you bored. winnings are a bonus and the casino's attempt to keep its gamblers coming back.
the hope of winning, of course, there is. But don't make it an ambition to win. it will only make you regret if you experience a losing streak. do it wisely. Gambling is a game with capital. you pay for the game, not for the wins.

That's why casinos hold a win in gambling in the form of money, none other than because this is the way that casinos believe to be able to make gambling more attractive and also of course one of the other goals is to keep gamblers coming back to play and chasing wins, and the fact that most gamblers don't realize is that the casino actually takes their money slowly in every session they do, that's why you will usually only be able to get a win when you have sacrificed several or even many defeats, if calculated then usually the amount of victory does not match what you have lost, in the sense that the number of defeats is much greater.

Yes that's right, the fact is that all gamblers definitely want to win but as you said that we should not be too serious to pursue it because it is too impossible if the reality is that victory always depends on luck, so it's better to gamble normally without putting any expectations because anyway if it's time to win then the victory will come by itself, lowering expectations will indirectly make you less disappointed if you really lose in the end.

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Quote from: Kelward on December 28, 2023, 06:07:15 AM

If you remove winnings from gambling, I wonder how many gamblers that will still come back to gamble, beyond having fun, there's a subtle challenge in our minds that we're coming back to win and recover lost money. Because we've told our selves that we're gambling for fun, it suppresses the feelings that we want to gamble to win, if not why would you have fun playing games that you have high probability of losing. The consolation that I see for reasonable gamblers is that they gamble the amount that they can afford to loose, so the frustration of eventual lose can reduce. The exceptions that I see are money bags who have enough money to throw away without minding, because they have it in surplus.

but if you enjoy the games you play at gambling, it will only make you bored. winnings are a bonus and the casino's attempt to keep its gamblers coming back.
the hope of winning, of course, there is. But don't make it an ambition to win. it will only make you regret if you experience a losing streak. do it wisely. Gambling is a game with capital. you pay for the game, not for the wins.

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So, what I usually say to people is, it is not by force to play gambling for fun, you could from time to time play for money, but make sure to not count the losses too important like I said before, make sure to enjoy the game, and be happy overall, whether in winning or losing, this is how to be a healthy gambler.

Yes, everyone has the right to choose to gamble for money or for fun as long as it is under proper control, there is no problem with that because usually people overdo it and become addicted to gambling because they gamble for money, which is different from gamblers who have fun even though we know Having fun in this case doesn't mean it's not for money, it just means changing our mindset so that it doesn't become our demand to win when gambling. I'm sure you understand the meaning.

A healthy mindset will enable gamblers to gamble healthily, not too follow their ambitions to win big and follow their emotions just for the sake of money, gamblers must be able to enjoy the game so they are not too careless in managing the tempo of the bets made, the point is to remain in proper control therefore It is important to control yourself so as not to get trapped and addicted to gambling.

Yes, these are all rights for gamblers and it is up to them to use them for what kind of purpose, in fact gambling addiction is not just about pursuing profit, but there are also gamblers who have fun and can become addicted, just like rich people who waste their money looking for pleasure, whether gambling. or as drug addicts, if they enjoy it too much this can lead to addiction. This applies to us even though we understand the purpose of gambling is pleasure. We must understand the limits and be able to control our thoughts so as not to overdo it.

Of course, every gambler must have a healthy and intelligent mindset. They must be able to use gambling wisely and not pursue any ambitions too much. Winning or losing is something we must accept because the most important thing is not to spend too much money on gambling because that is certain gambling is full of risks, therefore we must be able to control ourselves.

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I've always been fascinated by the fact that people enjoy gambling even when they lose. I used to think, how is this possible? After all, losing a game should definitely not give a person positive emotions. After some time, I came to the conclusion that everything is a little more complicated. Yes, a person experiences a little disappointment about losing. But at the same time, if a person knows how to think, then one loss or a group of them gives a person statistics and the opportunity to test some of his hypotheses or simply increase experience. A person focuses his attention not on losing a relatively small amount, but on gaining experience. This is what he can remember.

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Quote from: Kelward on December 27, 2023, 07:01:11 AM

Perhaps deep down in our conscience, somewhere that we don't like to listen to, it still tells us the truth that the reason why we're going to gamble is to hopefully win money, not really to have fun.

The real fun in gambling starts once you look at it in another way and focus less on the goal of winning money when it's mostly out of your control.

Quote from: Kelward on December 27, 2023, 07:01:11 AM

I know that it's said that you should gamble the amount that you can afford to loose, but will you call it a true fun when you know that there's a higher probability of losing your bet?

It's true if you only limit yourself to casino games because of the house edge, but not all forms of gambling have a house edge that lowers the win probability.

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when people plays a trivial amounts (the value of 1 pizza, as we would say here in Italy... Grin

) maybe playing just 1-2 days a month... maybe not every month....

It's clear that it's a simple way to spend your time in a fun way, so I don't see anything related to addiction here.
It's really difficult to think that some one is playing to "earn" (yes ok 2 pizzas can be the start of a glorious business) Cool

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Quote from: Kelward on December 27, 2023, 07:01:11 AM

I know for sure that if we take periodic account of how many times that we gamble, maybe weekly, monthly or yearly, we'll find out that the loses are far greater than the winnings, so I sometimes wonder how we can be indulging in something that we lose far more than we gain, in the name of having fun. I know that it's human nature to want to conquer, defeat, control and be the leader, yet we go into gambling knowing that the system doesn't give us a fair advantage of achieving these aims, yet we're happy to go back and likely be defeated again.

Before now, gambling use to be fun and entertainment, in the street you see popele roll dice to trick eachother into doubling money, it use to be fun and that was the genesis until the business is now everywhere. If not for marketing that some of them are poor in, I'm sure that we will see more than 100 different gambling platforms and that's because each one of them want to take over and be the leading company and the people using this platforms see it's as an opportunity to make money. Gambling is fun to some people but it's now a money making thing for many people.

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Perhaps deep down in our conscience, somewhere that we don't like to listen to, it still tells us the truth that the reason why we're going to gamble is to hopefully win money, not really to have fun.

I know that it's said that you should gamble the amount that you can afford to loose, but will you call it a true fun when you know that there's a higher probability of losing your bet?

What I found surprising about gambling these days is that even females and people that does real job now gamble because they want to make extra cash. They have main job that is paying well but they don't want to lose the opportunity of gambling money and that tells how serious and badly everyone is looking for a way to make money from gambling. It might be a fun thing maybe for some people that watch Premier League on weekends but let's not lie to each other, it's now about the money.

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Gambling for fun. Yes... that was my initial goal. but everything changed when I got a big win for the first time in the gambling I did, where I won many times the amount of money I bet. This big win can really change the paradigm of my thinking about gambling, to the point that gambling is a place to make a profit and gambling is a place to multiply money. Everything changed in an instant and I couldn't enjoy the gambling I was doing, unless I got a win. Where defeat becomes a regret and small wins continue to be missed... but the next day I still gamble even though I often get tired.

But not now, after I was able to realize all the mistakes I had made, slowly this made me better and wiser in playing gambling. Even though sometimes I still make careless things, it's not as frequent as before.

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Quote from: Kelward on December 27, 2023, 07:01:11 AM

I know for sure that if we take periodic account of how many times that we gamble, maybe weekly, monthly or yearly, we'll find out that the loses are far greater than the winnings, so I sometimes wonder how we can be indulging in something that we lose far more than we gain, in the name of having fun. I know that it's human nature to want to conquer, defeat, control and be the leader, yet we go into gambling knowing that the system doesn't give us a fair advantage of achieving these aims, yet we're happy to go back and likely be defeated again.

Perhaps deep down in our conscience, somewhere that we don't like to listen to, it still tells us the truth that the reason why we're going to gamble is to hopefully win money, not really to have fun.

I know that it's said that you should gamble the amount that you can afford to loose, but will you call it a true fun when you know that there's a higher probability of losing your bet?

I don't think so, gambling is really entertainment for me. I consider gambling like a game, not a source of income or anything else. I also often play online games like fps, rpg, rhythm games etc. And everything I play I spend money and reach 900$ to 1000$ in total each game.

I also don't gamble often even though it's fun to play because I also avoid becoming an addict. You just have to control yourself and the most important thing is that you are happy with what you are doing.

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I think the idea of gambling for fun doesn't apply to every gambler. There are some gambler who only finds the fun part in gambling when they experience wins, while there are some gamblers who see loss as a part of gambling. What I mean is, when you look at your over all gambling history and discover you are on the profit side, I bet you would feel you have been having fun, though there are times where you may feel bored of losing even if it's a small one but the fun mostly comes when you are on the winning side.

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Quote from: Kelward on December 28, 2023, 06:07:15 AM

Quote from: Odohu on December 27, 2023, 08:18:14 AM

I'm being tempted to agree with you that gambling for fun is a lie we tell ourselves to make us feel better in the midst of losses. I don't really condemn the proponents of such since its a strategy for reducing the pain of losing. But the reality is that no one gamble for fun. The primary reason for gambling is money and more money. Remove the money from gambling and see how many of those championing gambling for fun will still be there.

If you remove winnings from gambling, I wonder how many gamblers that will still come back to gamble, beyond having fun, there's a subtle challenge in our minds that we're coming back to win and recover lost money. Because we've told our selves that we're gambling for fun, it suppresses the feelings that we want to gamble to win, if not why would you have fun playing games that you have high probability of losing. The consolation that I see for reasonable gamblers is that they gamble the amount that they can afford to loose, so the frustration of eventual lose can reduce. The exceptions that I see are money bags who have enough money to throw away without minding, because they have it in surplus.

I do think that the profit aspect of gambling is what makes it entertaining in the first place. If you remove its monetary aspect, then there will be nothing to risk and bet against- thereby removing the "thrill" and adrenaline aspect of gambling.

Without any money involved, this will negate all the emotions that a person may feel when he/she bets. Imagine playing gambling without any money involved, what will you feel if there is no risk in the first place?

In conclusion, gambling is fun regardless on how you view it whether as a source of income or for entertainment.

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Quote from: skarais on December 28, 2023, 09:46:12 AM

The average gambler does it to win money, having fun at gambling is the second goal after money.
I can say that because most gamblers have the same mindset, even if there is research then I am very sure that the main goal of the average gambler is money. I'm not really sure how many gamblers do it for fun, whereas here many do it for the money. I don't see this being a problem as long as they gamble responsibly, but if they fail to do so then they should be prepared to face dire consequences.

I would still add that this is not a lie for fun, this story is more about hope. Moreover, many players do not deceive themselves, they sincerely believe that they have a great chance of winning and will definitely be lucky, and also that they will win the jackpot. They hope for this because they do not know the real chances of winning, but they have a great desire to win. If such a player is lucky, then he will eventually bring his big winnings to the same casino and lose it completely. And only after long losses will he begin to wonder why this happened and find out what chances he really had. And only after that, if he wants to play, he will probably deceive himself that it is for fun, but in reality he will want to win back.

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