Topic: GAMBLING: Skill-based vs. Chance-based - page 22. (Read 2408 times)

personally i do not consider myself, in fact i know i'm not lucky that's why i prefer to play skill based games where the skill and experience of the single player can make the difference between winning and losing, my favorites games are classic poker and black jack, i don't like to entrust all my chances of winning just to luck

Some blackjack tables in land based casinos will let you have a basic strategy card that you can pull out and reference. Basic strategy is so well known at this point that casinos know it makes no difference if they prohibit them from using a reference card. Players can easily memorize the chart off the tables then hit the tables. Much of basic strategy is based on intuition anyways (ie doubling a 10 or 11, hitting certain cards against a dealer's 9, 10, or ace).  

Still, counting cards still requires luck. You're shifting the house edge in your favor a bit where over time you have a greater chance of being up money. But it still comes down to bank roll management because when the count is in your favor, you need to make decisions on how much to raise your bet. And that's usually relative to your bank roll and it's also the the time where you usually get caught and thrown out for counting. Online counting is impossible because of the deck penetration the casinos use, not necessarily the shuffling. They cut the shoe in a way that makes counting inefficient.  

Yep, You're doomed if you find yourself in a table of pros.

Poker is a skill-based game. If you ever tried this without playing offline you'd be the first to run back to dice platform crying for your loss.  The guys playing this game has deep pockets that can take a loss of more than $5k and will be back again to play for another $5k without folding.  Bacarrat seems easy and you don't have to lose a hundred or thousand playing this one.

Chanced based games gives me a lot of excitement for some reason because you are against a system you know that there is a house edge but you prefer to continue to see if luck is in your side at this time, skill-based is also good, but if you are playing with players who knows how to read your face and reaction and you do not know how to interpret your opponents moves you are in trouble.

This is what I do too! If the money I used to bet is kind of a big money, I will choose to bet on games that I can use my skill with it, there's more chance of winning, its entertaining for me to think critically while gambling too. Sometimes I gamble too because I wanted to try my skills in a certain game.

Then there are days that my mind is just floating and I just needed something to do, then I play chance-based gambling. Its kind of entertaining even with less thinking going on in the process. I usually play this before going to sleep.

Well, skill-based and chance-based are the same they are both gambling and they will never guarantee to win to anyone. Obviously, there is the difference between the two but they are still a game of luck wherein you may be skilled enough because of your experience in playing a particular game but at the end of the day you may still lose for it is not your lucky day, --same as what we normally say every time we lose at the end of our daily gambling life.

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Indeed, strategies are the skill that makes us feel we are already knowledgeable about the game and make us think we have more chances of winning but other players also have so chances are we may still win or lose and we will still hold on our luck. With these two options, it may still be more challenging if we will play the one where we can use our knowledge and have the chance of applying all the strategies that we have at least we still fight for our luck instead of waiting for our luck to be on our side and that is playing skill-based gambling.

There is a very little factor in blackjack that is skill-based. The rest is purely chance-based. Your double, split, etc options are there depending on the cards that you got, which are not within your control. I think the basic strategies in blackjack are not really strategies which you analyze in your mind but more of the predictable preferable way depending on the cards on hand.

I love both but I prefer the challenging aspect in skill-based gambling.

You can certainly end a single hand in a tie, if both (or several) plays have the same hand. You can't really end a whole game in a tie though, unless you decide to end early. Games will generally continue until everyone except one player is out of chips.

Absolutely. Even the best poker player in the world could lose to an amateur if they were particularly unlucky and the amateur was being dealt full houses every hand.

There's far too many variables to just chalk it all up to the same amount of experience, I would think. Decisions on which hands to play, which to fold, how aggressively to play them, how good each player is at bluffing, how good they are at hiding their tells, how good they are at picking up other players' tells, how good the players they are playing against are at picking up their tells, the list goes on.

Every game, sport, competition, exists somewhere on a continuum from 0% skill/100% chance through to 100% skill/0% chance. At the former end you have things like roulette and the lottery, and at the other end things like chess. It would be impossible to quantify "how much" of poker is skill and how much is luck, but I'd say that over time, as the same game with the same players progress through more and more hands, skill plays an ever larger role. A newbie might win a few "lucky" hands, but over time the odds are in the favor of the experienced players.

i have tried skill based gambling before which is mentioned on the first page which was blackjack  .  it was online and my experience was bad because i think i already pick a high number but most of the times the dealer was blackjack or 21  so i still loose  . im started to convince that bj is not a game of skill but its a game of chance or luck based   .  there are also times that if i pick low number i still win because the dealers card pick was over   .  now im only playing dice mainly 

The logic says that we should focus more on the skill games.However the fun of the randomness when playing slot machines and the vain dream we have to hit that jackpot make us to be impacted more from the luck based games.I think here in the forum the majority of gamblers play games of luck.

Well, I guess the conclusion is that everything actually has an element of luck - taking the example from my previous post, "cooking" could also go wrong due to unluckiness if you get injured with a knife or some other tool; driving with a bit of unluckiness could turn into an accident etc. We're basically talking about probabilities of something to happen.

I do agree that Poker may require skill, but that does not necessarily make it a skill-based game (after reading my reply twice, I found out the talk is about games being skill-based, not skill-only as I first thought). I'm not sure, could Poker only end in a win/loss or is there the possibility to end with a tie (draw)? If you can't end with a draw between two players, then take two guys with the approximately same amount of experience and put them head-to-head - couldn't luck come in to influence who the winner gets to be? One of them drawing a very bad hand, for instance. In the ideal situation of both having the exact same experience, luck remains the only thing that truly matters if I'm correct.

We really enjoy both of that because they have person who are don't have enough skills in playing gambling but they still enjoying.
Depends also to the games that you gonna play if you like than game you will enjoy is either needed a skills or base on chance only.

I prefer to play skill-based games most of the time, particularly if the plan is primarily to make a little money. There are also times when I am simply bored and don't want to think much about things or perhaps just want to unwind. These are times when I just want to roll the dice.

But I want to point out that even skill-based gambling requires a whole lot of luck also. I have just recently placed several bets with very low odds, playing around 1.50, that all went lost.

I mean, accepting the caveat we both mentioned regarding all gambling having an element of luck, there are definitely some which require skill as well. Poker is the obvious one. Take someone who has never gambled before and a gambler of 40 years' experience and sit them down together at the roulette table, they are equally as likely to win or lose. Now have them play head to head in poker, and you'd obviously be betting on the experienced player. Any sports betting is skilled based - you are using your knowledge of the likely outcomes to influence your bet, as opposed to just picking a winning a team at random.

Sports definitely have an element of luck to them too, some more than others. Everything from whether your star player is injured or unwell and has to miss a game, to whether the ball hits a divot in the grass, could be considered "unlucky".

No, you can't. There are no calculations that you can do to increase your chances of winning on simple dice or roulette games. Provided the system isn't rigged in some way, every roll or spin is completely random and completely independent of every other roll or spin.

I can relate with you on the luck base of gambling, the slots and dice have the biggest house edge. But what I do not agree is poker is solely based on skills, that would be looking at a narrow perspective. Poker is a game that both incorporate skills and luck, to prove my point I want to tell you why there is a bluff in poker? Does it have to do with luck? Well half of it has to do with, you are lucky when they bite but the skill to make a bluff so believable completes the bluff and I think that it is enough point to prove that poker is an amalgamation of luck and skill. One special of these being true though is the rise of online casino where you can't physically interact with other players making the bluff harder albeit still executable, for the chance games though it has been different ever since, imagine slots that will strike the jackpot and not any other consolation price, the site can do that and the players will never bat an eye.

Another that I can add is the skill called card counting can be used to increase your chances in winning, you can also master probability for dice or roullete but you have to make a quick equations to make it work, math teachers and mathematicians are very good at this.

I also prefer skill based because gambling without strategy and only depending on luck is really boring and it takes away the fun.
Even dice games in casino's there are patterns you could see or some techniques for you to be able to win more but quite risky as well.

Yes they have skills that you need in some gambling games because if you not know the technique you are going to play it you will lose mostly for sure but they have gambling games that is not required to use the skills because it is base on lucky or chance for them to win to the game but startegy is better to use most of the time to lessen the risk of losing.

So is "skill-based" really a thing? Anything gambling-related has an element of luck in it, it's not like cooking where you master it the more you cook - you may get better at it, but with gambling there's still some luck you also have to depend on. Otherwise, they'd be considered sports and not gambling games, right?  

Supporters of the idea that "some gambling games are actually skill-based" usually give out examples of people who turned into millionaires from being long-term poker players - isn't that exactly like giving out examples of people who turned into millionaires from blackjack and dice games?

Oh man, had I not searched whether Poker is considered a sport or not, I would've beat you with the timing

It depends. All gambling has an element of luck to it. Blackjack may or may not have an element of skill to it too, depending on how and where you play it.

Blackjack in a physical casino may be skilled based. There is a basic strategy for blackjack which tells you the best action to take (hit, stand, double, split) for every combination of cards in your hand, plus the dealer's face up card. If you are playing in a physical casino, then you need to memorize that to keep the house edge to a minimum. The only way to swing the house edge in your favor is by using techniques such as card counting or shuffle tracking, although shuffle tracking is more or less impossible now due to automatically shuffling machines. Memorizing the basic strategy and card counting are definitely skill based.

If you are playing online, as is being discussed here, then provided you follow the basic strategy (which is trivial to do and not skill based at all since you can just have it open in a second window), then it is entirely luck based, as you say. Online casinos can shuffle the cards after every hand instantly, making card counting impossible.

I'm happy to see this kind of discussion, gamblers should be able to differentiate a skilled based games from a luck based games as that would make them realistic on knowing their chances if they are seeking for a win.

I play both of these, but most of the time I put my focus on skilled based games particularly on sports betting, and I am happy to where I am now though I took a break for over two months already I guess.