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In gambling it is never a win win it always a win /lost/ lost or a lost/ Lost/ win or a lost lost lost. although there is another category which is the lost /win /win and this people are the set that play gambling with huge amount of money with lesser risk. Rich men don play accumulated games rather single game and that makes them always have a more wining power, than the poor.

The aspect you said that some people will come the first time and win and later be losing, it is just a coincidence to me. I don't see if there is anything that prove the fact that it is a usual case. It is just like life and how we see things. Normally in life we do more frequent bad than good or we say all sorts of bad thing with our mouth and only speak few good things. And that is also applicable to gambling. Gambling is something that you will miss alot before you get a win. It is an indirect way of letting you know how difficult life might be. If it where easy for people to win more frequently , the hole casino will shutdown and almost all gamblers will be rich and non will gamble again. So the probability of winning is %10 while that of lost is %90 that is why wining can not be more frequent than losses.
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OP, first of all, you could say it shortly, it was a little confusing to read your post. Second of all, everyone should view gambling as a fun activity and not an alternative of 9-5 jobs. Sometimes you lose more than you deposited in your lifetime and get nothing back, sometimes you win back almost as much as you lose and sometimes you are the lucky one who wins the jackpot. That's gambling. If you play for fun and lose in this journey, you'll still feel happy when you win and will consider that as the real win because winning when you gamble for fun, is like a bonus for doing the job that you love.
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There have been saying that before you win a game in gambling, you would have lost enough funds and that means you didn't win any new or extra money to yourself but the casino return part of your money which you have lost before to you. And some will still say that what about those who have not playing gamble before and they won in their first day in gambling. Well those people newly converts to the gambling system will still dash the casino company that win again because the first time win is always to lure them to the system and making them to perpetual adoration to gamble. And I don't think someone in the gambling industry has as a win win gambling history. Or you wins are bigger than the loss. And all the experiences I have in gambling I have not seen that and also those of my friends who are gamblers have not to me that they only win and there is no loss record in their gambling history. And all the ones I have seen and known, the loses are more than the wins. And when I carefully look at the argument I also accept the assertion that what you win was part of your loss. Is that true? Make your input.
An answer to this question of yours will be neither yes or a no because it's true you could be winning part of your money lost to the casino and sometimes you may be breaking even, it could also be that you are just a lucky person who has possibly won above what you have lost before but generally if you have been loosing more often than you win and eventually you happen to have a win, it's could then be said that you just regained part of your losses and not you actually winning the game just as you should normally, for the lucky newbies they can still be lucky again and may not loose enough to equate their losses it's just them been lucky as such it is with gambling.

Some persons can actually loose a lot and at a point win so big that it will make up for all they have every lost gambling but this doesn't happen too often, not everyone loose much more than they have ever won, some persons also get lucky and still win much more.
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You are entirely correct and I won't go against your analysis because that's the same experience that I have. Especially in casino games.
But why do we still gamble despite all of that truth?
I guess we cannot take the fact that we are still aiming revenge against the house. We want to win so badly that we don't really care how many losses we have.
But there's actually an escape for this. Sports betting. I have seen a few friends who are successful in this method. But, it does require discipline. You have to control yourself to not gamble in casino games and just focus on sports betting. It will be a rough road especially if you are used to playing those kinds of games. I am having a hard time not to gamble in casino games. Why? Because it's fun and it has the fastest multi-win in just seconds or minutes of playing but the risk is just too high.
I don't think we can change the fact that the losing percentage is higher in casino games, so it will be up to us if we want to stop or not. No one is forcing us to play, it will be our own choice.
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I feel like this can be valid for majority. Otherwise gambling businesses would end. They need to make more and more profits to stay there, working. So good gamblers win more than they lose. But most people are not good gamblers. I think people underestimate how great its to become experienced expert gambler. Most people think they will win at next game. Experts measure their every moves so they never totally lose.
Well, I think it still depends on the game you are playing. Let's categorise the gambling games. There are games that involve solely luck; what I mean is slot, Russian roulette, and many more. These are just those games that you could win through probability, and you can get that probability through luck or destiny. The other games involve the usage of skills and mind, or how good a thinker you are, like card games, bakarat, poker, and many more gambling games that raise the chances of winning through great thinking and how you can outsmart different players or the casino agent itself. But yeah, there is no guaranteed profit or wealth in gambling, as the money in that industry is cycle, which means you can't always expect to win, more like you will expect to lose. So better stay out of gambling if you don't have the capability to waste money from gambling.
Yes, there are luck games and there are strategic games on which winning would really be that entirely totally random but we know that certain types will really be needing up some
analysis which accompanied by luck then it would be a win but well everything would really be that random and just said that it would be all probability.
When you do gamble then dont expect that you would really be that having those kind of returned money because there's no such thing about this one.
If you lose then you do lose, if you win then you do win. Then it would really be that best that when you do play then you shouldnt really be stressing about getting those wins
so that you wont really be that disappointed.
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In gambling, you win some, you lose some; not just in gambling alone but in life generally, so i don't think this is a problem for gamblers. The problem in gambling is when you gamble with an amount that you cannot afford to lose, or with money that should have been used for more important aspects of your life. As long as you gamble responsibly, you will find a good balance between what you win and what you lose, and you'll be just fine.

I couldn't agree more with your notion about the distinction between responsible and irresponsible gambling and you're completely right. This theory applies mostly to those who are already used to gambling and risking more than they can actually afford to loose. Every gambler should be aware of the risks involved in gambling, they should always have it at the back of their mind that gambling is a 50/50 game, you can either win or loose, infact your chances of loosing happens to be even greater than that of winning, so the question should be, is it worth throwing such amount of money away? If the answer is yes then go ahead but if you're unsure if you should push through or not, then dont even think of pushing through because the result might be fatal.
I think gamblers already knows the risk, it's not even 50/50 if you play games like slot machines or any games that the odds are pretty much against you. Maybe sports betting or even poker might be good, but the rest of the games is really against us and it boils down if we have luck and be able to win. But the question is if ever we win, do you stop or just continue and make it a cycle, thus turn us to be a gambling addicts? And I think the best teacher here is experienced. If we have been in this kind of situation, maybe with the right frame of mind, we will have to stop at some point to stop the losses.
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In gambling, you win some, you lose some; not just in gambling alone but in life generally, so i don't think this is a problem for gamblers. The problem in gambling is when you gamble with an amount that you cannot afford to lose, or with money that should have been used for more important aspects of your life. As long as you gamble responsibly, you will find a good balance between what you win and what you lose, and you'll be just fine.

I couldn't agree more with your notion about the distinction between responsible and irresponsible gambling and you're completely right. This theory applies mostly to those who are already used to gambling and risking more than they can actually afford to loose. Every gambler should be aware of the risks involved in gambling, they should always have it at the back of their mind that gambling is a 50/50 game, you can either win or loose, infact your chances of loosing happens to be even greater than that of winning, so the question should be, is it worth throwing such amount of money away? If the answer is yes then go ahead but if you're unsure if you should push through or not, then dont even think of pushing through because the result might be fatal.
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I think they just take other people's loses and pay off the winners and those who lose frequently, lose based on greed, while I know we can't really be certain about gambling but if you try to pick fewer games you have higher chances of winning, the smaller the odds the more chance you have to win.

I don't like to see it as tho my money is been returned to me, although  it might be true for some persons, most people have a good gambling history of more wins than loses, so this is not true for everyone.
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There have been saying that before you win a game in gambling, you would have lost enough funds and that means you didn't win any new or extra money to yourself but the casino return part of your money which you have lost before to you.
That is 100% true you just have to calculate your losses and your winnings to get the fact that what you've lost is already greater than your winning but many of us will not realize it, we tend to forget all our losses and just remember or rejoice when we won, we don't want to accept the fact that your losses is greater than your winning.


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And some will still say that what about those who have not playing gamble before and they won in their first day in gambling. Well those people newly converts to the gambling system will still dash the casino company that win again because the first time win is always to lure them to the system and making them to perpetual adoration to gamble. And I don't think someone in the gambling industry has as a win win gambling history.
You're getting it right again, for the record first-time winners in gambling will always come to try to win again and eventually lose their winnings the first time they gamble they triple their losses against their winnings because they are so motivated that they think that they are lucky and they have found a formula to win in gambling.

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Or you wins are bigger than the loss. And all the experiences I have in gambling I have not seen that and also those of my friends who are gamblers have not to me that they only win and there is no loss record in their gambling history. And all the ones I have seen and known, the loses are more than the wins. And when I carefully look at the argument I also accept the assertion that what you win was part of your loss. Is that true? Make your input.

Casinos are profit-driven platforms they have a house edge if you analyze it, you'll come to the fact that the longer you play the longer your chances to lose, so if you're gambling for profit, be sure to call it a day when you make a profit, because if you continue thinking that you can still win, then that's the time that you're going to lose everything.
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There have been saying that before you win a game in gambling, you would have lost enough funds and that means you didn't win any new or extra money to yourself but the casino return part of your money which you have lost before to you.

It all depends, you can be gambling for long and be losing and winning, but when you now hit a jackpot and realized the highest amount of winning, this will be where we can determine whether you have just been returned your gambling money back to you, or you're still running under loss or finally that you have made a breakthrough in making profits through gambling, so this is a matter of how much you won, to the ration od what you have been spending on gambling right from onset, some gamblers could be that lucky of wining big on their very first attempt, even though this is not that common.
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There have been saying that before you win a game in gambling, you would have lost enough funds and that means you didn't win any new or extra money to yourself but the casino return part of your money which you have lost before to you. And some will still say that what about those who have not playing gamble before and they won in their first day in gambling. Well those people newly converts to the gambling system will still dash the casino company that win again because the first time win is always to lure them to the system and making them to perpetual adoration to gamble. And I don't think someone in the gambling industry has as a win win gambling history. Or you wins are bigger than the loss. And all the experiences I have in gambling I have not seen that and also those of my friends who are gamblers have not to me that they only win and there is no loss record in their gambling history. And all the ones I have seen and known, the loses are more than the wins. And when I carefully look at the argument I also accept the assertion that what you win was part of your loss. Is that true? Make your input.

Honestly, I completely agree with your statement, which is true that gamblers actually only revolve around their own money, as you said that the victory he managed to get is the amount of money he had previously lost or  means the amount that has been lost due to defeat and when they are lucky in the next session then it is just returning their money that has been lost, and on the other hand what about the newbie gamblers who just came and managed to get a big enough win? Obviously, the cycle and the next scenario will still remain the same as the statement above that when you manage to get a big win at the beginning of the engagement then isn't it very possible for you to put interest and higher expectations for the next session? Obviously, the logic is that everyone needs money and when he manages to get money from winning then they will really feel happy and usually they will think that "this is a place that earns".

In fact, it is actually because of the increase in interest that in the end, the casino will return to withdraw the amount of money they won before, or simply the casino will make  them experience a losing streak. So actually it doesn't matter what the initial scenario is whether in the first stage you immediately get a win or lose first, in the end it returns to the initial arrangement that the house will always be profitable.
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There is no way you will gamble and not lose money, there are few times to walk away from gambling to start calling yourself the most favoured gambler, that's if you try out gambling for the first time and you won very big, enough to make you walk away and never look back.

Some will have less wins in their gambling history and lose more money, even when they keep using small amount, by the time that years have passed they will realize that what they have won isn't up to the amount that they have lost in gambling.

Everyone won't have the same result in gambling, and it's possible that most people will have awful result, this is why gambling is not a reliable way of making some money, learning a skill online and rendering your services can net you better payments than gambling, but if you want to keep gambling you must keep using small amount.
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I feel like this can be valid for majority. Otherwise gambling businesses would end. They need to make more and more profits to stay there, working. So good gamblers win more than they lose. But most people are not good gamblers. I think people underestimate how great its to become experienced expert gambler. Most people think they will win at next game. Experts measure their every moves so they never totally lose.
Well, I think it still depends on the game you are playing. Let's categorise the gambling games. There are games that involve solely luck; what I mean is slot, Russian roulette, and many more. These are just those games that you could win through probability, and you can get that probability through luck or destiny. The other games involve the usage of skills and mind, or how good a thinker you are, like card games, bakarat, poker, and many more gambling games that raise the chances of winning through great thinking and how you can outsmart different players or the casino agent itself. But yeah, there is no guaranteed profit or wealth in gambling, as the money in that industry is cycle, which means you can't always expect to win, more like you will expect to lose. So better stay out of gambling if you don't have the capability to waste money from gambling.
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And when I carefully look at the argument I also accept the assertion that what you win was part of your loss. Is that true? Make your input.
Well, it's probably a common thinking that your wins most times are partly from the money you have lost to the gambling site before. And we all know very well that the casino usually has been made to have a house edge which makes them win and we get to loss more. It's fine to have this kind of thinking but for someone who has always been on the win side wouldn't think much about this. And true from what you had said, a player who got to win his first few games in gambling would be more attracted or addicted to the games than someone who already lost on his first game. 
For some individuals, gambling can become addictive, leading to financial and personal problems. This is more reason we should only gamble that which we can afford to loss and avoid these kind of taught that will lead into something else entirely.
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I feel like this can be valid for majority. Otherwise gambling businesses would end. They need to make more and more profits to stay there, working. So good gamblers win more than they lose. But most people are not good gamblers. I think people underestimate how great its to become experienced expert gambler. Most people think they will win at next game. Experts measure their every moves so they never totally lose.
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There have been saying that before you win a game in gambling, you would have lost enough funds and that means you didn't win any new or extra money to yourself but the casino return part of your money which you have lost before to you. And some will still say that what about those who have not playing gamble before and they won in their first day in gambling. Well those people newly converts to the gambling system will still dash the casino company that win again because the first time win is always to lure them to the system and making them to perpetual adoration to gamble. And I don't think someone in the gambling industry has as a win win gambling history. Or you wins are bigger than the loss. And all the experiences I have in gambling I have not seen that and also those of my friends who are gamblers have not to me that they only win and there is no loss record in their gambling history. And all the ones I have seen and known, the loses are more than the wins. And when I carefully look at the argument I also accept the assertion that what you win was part of your loss. Is that true? Make your input.

I think that these type of persons exist but they fail to stop there and be happy that they got back more than they lost as when they get back such money it means that they have been playing for long enough that they continue to play.They do so with the assumption that finally luck is back on their side and they get a false sense that they are going to win even more.Unfortunately this leads to losing again what they won and this is a vicious cycle.
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If you want to know if gambling really brings money to you, you must record every deposits and how much money you make, then you will see if you're in profit or lose. But I believe most people won't do that because they will give many excuses e.g. lazy, time wasting, have a strong memory etc.
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There have been saying that before you win a game in gambling, you would have lost enough funds and that means you didn't win any new or extra money to yourself but the casino return part of your money which you have lost before to you. And some will still say that what about those who have not playing gamble before and they won in their first day in gambling. Well those people newly converts to the gambling system will still dash the casino company that win again because the first time win is always to lure them to the system and making them to perpetual adoration to gamble. And I don't think someone in the gambling industry has as a win win gambling history. Or you wins are bigger than the loss. And all the experiences I have in gambling I have not seen that and also those of my friends who are gamblers have not to me that they only win and there is no loss record in their gambling history. And all the ones I have seen and known, the loses are more than the wins. And when I carefully look at the argument I also accept the assertion that what you win was part of your loss. Is that true? Make your input.

I understand the logic behind your post, but you have to bear in mind two things:
1.It's close to impossible to have only wins and almost no loses in gambling. The gambling games are designed that way(and yes, some casinos have rigged games). If having more wins than loses was the norm in gambling, most casinos would simply go bankrupt.
2.Gambling isn't a way to make money. Gambling is just a fun escapist activity that, can help you forget your existential problems for a while.
And yes, gambling can cause you even more problems, when you get addicted, but addiction is something bad in general. You can get addicted to video games, porn, drugs, alcohol, etc.
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And all the ones I have seen and known, the loses are more than the wins. And when I carefully look at the argument I also accept the assertion that what you win was part of your loss. Is that true? Make your input.

You could say we aren't really winning but just recovering our losses when we win in gambling as we'll always have more losses than win but you can be on a safer side when you don't over gamble or over stake more money, you can use small wager to win big money and when you calculate how much money that you have lost and won, the margin won't be too big. Some individuals are totally on the losing side but they'll think that they're winning meanwhile they're losing so much money.

Some individuals are in profits, they may have lost while gambling but they have more wins that losses, some individuals are very lucky that when they gamble they win most times or when they have one big win it can cover for all the losses that they have previously had and also give them some profits. While gambling lets just enjoy ourselves as if you keep thinking you can win the house it isn't always very possible.
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In gambling, you win some, you lose some; not just in gambling alone but in life generally, so i don't think this is a problem for gamblers. The problem in gambling is when you gamble with an amount that you cannot afford to lose, or with money that should have been used for more important aspects of your life. As long as you gamble responsibly, you will find a good balance between what you win and what you lose, and you'll be just fine.

I agree with what you say, gamblers already understand that the gambling they do has a greater chance of losing, so they don't think too much about it and only enjoy their games - especially in games that are fully based on luck like slots, you can't expect that you will continue to win in this game. The most important thing for a gambler is how they can manage their bankroll in their gambling and arrange that it does not affect their finances too much.
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