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Topic: Garr255 and Werner = scammer trolls (Read 1957 times)

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June 23, 2013, 11:05:46 AM
#27
Before you guys go crazy the confession was forced.

There is not enough evidance to prove garr used a sock.

oh hi, goat. Scammer(a failed one) vouch for another scammer. Give perfect merits..


I did not vouch. I said there is no evidance yet.

If you are proven wrong i hope you appoligize.




So now that you are proven wrong, where is your apology?

Still defending the scammer?  Too much money invested to speak the truth?  
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June 23, 2013, 11:01:17 AM
#26
That moment in life where Mathew N. Wright calls Trade Fortress an idiot.

You know, that moment right before you but Mathew on ignore. Yeah, that one.  Grin

I have a confession to make. I laugh out loud every time someone attempts to insult me while spelling my name wrong.

I think your parents misspelled your name on purpose. Its clearly Matthew N.(Never) Wrong

Just wanted to capture this.
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Activity: 756
Merit: 522
June 20, 2013, 09:31:28 AM
#25
Before you guys go crazy the confession was forced.

There is not enough evidance to prove garr used a sock.

oh hi, goat. Scammer(a failed one) vouch for another scammer. Give perfect merits..

I think his reasoning is, "I was meanwhile unbanned therefore I am no longer a scammer". Because people forget, right?
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June 20, 2013, 09:19:14 AM
#24
Well, dont pay idiots for their sig space.

Word. That's how BFL got in trouble, paying idiots (ie Inaba) for the equivalent of his sig space. Oh, and also being scammers.

I have a confession to make. I laugh out loud every time someone attempts to insult me while spelling my name wrong.

I always suspected this is how Caldwell came up with the casacuscus name.
sr. member
Activity: 462
Merit: 250
June 20, 2013, 09:03:53 AM
#23
Before you guys go crazy the confession was forced.

There is not enough evidance to prove garr used a sock.

oh hi, goat. Scammer(a failed one) vouch for another scammer. Give perfect merits..


I did not vouch. I said there is no evidance yet.

If you are proven wrong i hope you appoligize.



No evidence yet? right....you're implying that screenshot is fake. And did you bother to check to see thats possible?

No, you're just a cunt pretending to be a dick.
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Activity: 462
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June 20, 2013, 08:50:08 AM
#22
Before you guys go crazy the confession was forced.

There is not enough evidance to prove garr used a sock.

oh hi, goat. Scammer(a failed one) vouch for another scammer. Give perfect merits..
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Merit: 504
always the student, never the master.
June 20, 2013, 06:39:16 AM
#21
That moment in life where Mathew N. Wright calls Trade Fortress an idiot.

You know, that moment right before you but Mathew on ignore. Yeah, that one.  Grin

I have a confession to make. I laugh out loud every time someone attempts to insult me while spelling my name wrong.

I think your parents misspelled your name on purpose. Its clearly Matthew N.(Never) Wrong
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June 20, 2013, 06:37:56 AM
#20
That moment in life where Mathew N. Wright calls Trade Fortress an idiot.

You know, that moment right before you but Mathew on ignore. Yeah, that one.  Grin

I have a confession to make. I laugh out loud every time someone attempts to insult me while spelling my name wrong.
hero member
Activity: 686
Merit: 504
always the student, never the master.
June 20, 2013, 06:35:43 AM
#19
That moment in life where Mathew N. Wright calls Trade Fortress an idiot.

You know, that moment right before you but Mathew on ignore. Yeah, that one.  Grin

legendary
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amarha
June 20, 2013, 06:33:20 AM
#18
He does not run CoinLenders, I do.

Well, dont pay idiots for their sig space. Thats exactly what you get for having ppl advertise your business in their sig space. Their post would affect your business image.

This is something I never understood about idiots paying other idiots for signature advertising space. It's unattractive spam that will make people hate your business, and whatever that person says now reflects on you.  Roll Eyes

He's probably had to kick people out of his program before. There is a risk that people might misunderstand and misassociate, as was the case here. I assume people can turn off sigs in the forum. And sig rules are pretty strict and low key compared to other forums.

I think CoinLenders and CoinChat are positive contributions to bitcoin. So I don't see any problem with promoting them.
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June 20, 2013, 06:29:29 AM
#17
this is a clear scam. the only difference between this a ponzi scheme, a paypal chargeback, and extortion scheme, an asic share scam, a fake asic scam, and a get rich quick scheme,  are the mechanisms by which each is scheme is brought to fruition and then executed
legendary
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amarha
June 20, 2013, 06:29:09 AM
#16
I don't know if this really classifies as a scam, underhanded yes, but not really a scam

Oh hi,

Thanks for confirming you're also a scammer, welcome to my ignore list. Goodluck with your scamming business.... coinlenders


That's just a paid advertisement for Coinlenders.
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June 20, 2013, 06:19:03 AM
#15
He does not run CoinLenders, I do.

Well, dont pay idiots for their sig space. Thats exactly what you get for having ppl advertise your business in their sig space. Their post would affect your business image.

This is something I never understood about idiots paying other idiots for signature advertising space. It's unattractive spam that will make people hate your business, and whatever that person says now reflects on you.  Roll Eyes
sr. member
Activity: 462
Merit: 250
June 20, 2013, 06:16:18 AM
#14
He does not run CoinLenders, I do.

Well, dont pay idiots for their sig space. Thats exactly what you get for having ppl advertise your business in their sig space. Their post would affect your business image.

vip
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June 20, 2013, 05:57:12 AM
#13
He does not run CoinLenders, I do.
sr. member
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June 20, 2013, 05:50:36 AM
#12
I don't know if this really classifies as a scam, underhanded yes, but not really a scam

Oh hi,

Thanks for confirming you're also a scammer, welcome to my ignore list. Goodluck with your scamming business.... coinlenders
legendary
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Christian Antkow
June 20, 2013, 12:15:35 AM
#11
 Trying to look at this completely objectively, it's dishonest and duplicitous behavior. Manipulating auctions through shill accounts is definitely uncouth.

 Exhibit A: http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/seller-shill-bidding.html
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June 19, 2013, 11:49:15 PM
#10
I don't know if this really classifies as a scam, underhanded yes, but not really a scam

Actually, it does qualify as a scam.  People have had criminal charges doing the same.

Quote
Auctions[edit]
Shills, or "potted plants", are sometimes employed in auctions. Driving prices up with phony bids, they seek to provoke a bidding war among other participants. Often they are told by the seller precisely how high to bid, as the seller actually pays the price (to himself, of course) if the item does not sell, losing only the auction fees. Shilling has a substantially higher rate of occurrence in online auctions, where any user with multiple accounts can bid on their own items. Many online auction sites employ sophisticated (and usually secret) methods to detect collusion. The online auction site eBay forbids shilling; its rules do not allow friends or employees of a person selling an item to bid on the item.[6]
In his book Fake: Forgery, Lies, & eBay, Kenneth Walton describes how he and his cohorts placed shill bids on hundreds of eBay auctions over the course of a year. Walton and his associates were charged and convicted of fraud by the United States Attorney for their eBay shill bidding.[7]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shill#Auctions

I didn't know that, it still doesn't seem like it should be Illegal. No one is forcing the other person to outbid the guy. If someone is willing to pay over the shill bid, then isn't the item worth that ?



Nope!  Auctions, by the way they are setup means that the guy who values it most pays what the guy who values it second thinks it's worth.  That's where the "discount" comes in at auction.  If you value something the most out of the crowd, you only have to pay what the guy who values it second most is willing to pay (or some nominal amount above that).  If you shill bid, then they guy who values it most is no longer paying what the guy who values it second most is willing to pay because you are artificially inflating the price.
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June 19, 2013, 09:47:20 PM
#9
Unfortunately, as much as I think he is being mistreated by scumlords on this forum, I have to agree with the evidence regarding this particular event, shill bidding is most definitely scamming .

Funny thing ethical dilemmas are.

I opted to not chime in when Josh was kind enough to out him out, for I took time to read all of werner's posts and some of Garr's after the discovery. Although unsettling, I found nothing majorly nefarious, but was taken aback by the relation. Unfortunately, the accusations presented in this thread may be warranted, sans the scammer tag, for that's no longer available.

Apologies for the verbiage, but I tried to be kind in presenting how I feel.

Sadly, there's a myriad of other users controlling sock puppets in a similar fashion to also profit from their actions. Some even going as far as Garr did in their sock puppets being from one country, while the handler is clearly(?) in another. In this case it was Germany/US respectively.

Sorry, Garr. I've never had any qualms with you, and probably you none with me.  

You know, the fact that your avatar has a corner underline for like half the revolution is really obnoxious. Can't you fix it?
legendary
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June 19, 2013, 08:26:53 PM
#8
I opted to not chime in when Josh was kind enough to out him out, for I took time to read all of werner's posts and some of Garr's after the discovery. Although unsettling, I found nothing majorly nefarious, but was taken aback by the relation. Unfortunately, the accusations presented in this thread may be warranted, sans the scammer tag, for that's no longer available.

Apologies for the verbiage, but I tried to be kind in presenting how I feel.

Sadly, there's a myriad of other users controlling sock puppets in a similar fashion to also profit from their actions. Some even going as far as Garr did in their sock puppets being from one country, while the handler is clearly(?) in another. In this case it was Germany/US respectively.

Sorry, Garr. I've never had any qualms with you, and probably you none with me.  
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