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Topic: Gary Gensler's SEC sues Crypto Influncers and posts on his Twitter as propaganda - page 6. (Read 1418 times)

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I agree that this is a good thing to do. This isn't some "be aware" story or scary thing, this isn't some witch hunt, these people promoted some sh*t stuff for money, making others lose, just so they could profit, and that is illegal.

You can't do that with gold, you can't do that with stocks, so you shouldn't be able to do it because it would cause others to lose so much money and not only unethical but it is against the law at the same time. On the other hand, if you come out and say "this project paid me to promote it" and then do it, that's fine, just like having an "advertisement" logo somewhere or something, allows people to see you got paid for it, otherwise what's the point.
And the clear evidence of this is on twitter, instagram and meta for the courts to show they did do the crime.
Which is why the SEC has avocation for going after them in the first place. Because they did not put a disclosure in those promotions nor their videos.
Even the youtube crypto influencers are starting to put those disclaimers on daily videos once they publicize them on their channels.
Solely because the SEC have enforced their mandate with actually prosecuting these celebrities promoting these crypto projects.

Glad there government is serious about sueing up those famous and rich people promoting scam since this could serve a warning to many influencers to not try to promote any crypto scams to their followers also with other celebrity to use their fame and take advantage just for their own personal gain.

I believe the settlement is not big enough to deter other shady people on internet to continue pushing these scams to their naive followers, in my opinion, instead going against legit tokens and coins like Bitcoin and BUSD, the SEC should step up their efforts to get "influencers" accountable if they do this.


The amount is not huge and those big celebrities can pay that so there should be more to make them accountable so that this could serve a good reminder not to go on illegal promotions.
The amounts were the same for both these promoters of the Ethereum Max token project.
Which I don't know if it was just for the amount they were paid to promote them or some other things they found to put towards the fine by the SEC.

I believe the settlement is not big enough to deter other shady people on internet to continue pushing these scams to their naive followers, in my opinion, instead going against legit tokens and coins like Bitcoin and BUSD, the SEC should step up their efforts to get "influencers" accountable if they do this.


The amount is not huge and those big celebrities can pay that so there should be more to make them accountable so that this could serve a good reminder not to go on illegal promotions.

Correct, I was in charge of the SEC I would propose those influencers to pay up 200% of the alleged money they received to promote those shitty coins and tokens. It does not make sense to fine someone if in the end they still will have profits from the crime they are being indicted of.

This is not supposed to be a slap on the wrist, otherwise these promoted scams won't get controlled at all.
I would assume saying they are not allowed to promote anything to do with cryptocurrency projects for the next three years is good enough and not warrant any jail time tells you something.
Just asking for the amount of money back for what they were paid was kind of a just a slap on the wrist and ask them not to do it again anytime soon does not solve anything.
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I believe the settlement is not big enough to deter other shady people on internet to continue pushing these scams to their naive followers, in my opinion, instead going against legit tokens and coins like Bitcoin and BUSD, the SEC should step up their efforts to get "influencers" accountable if they do this.


The amount is not huge and those big celebrities can pay that so there should be more to make them accountable so that this could serve a good reminder not to go on illegal promotions.

Correct, I was in charge of the SEC I would propose those influencers to pay up 200% of the alleged money they received to promote those shitty coins and tokens. It does not make sense to fine someone if in the end they still will have profits from the crime they are being indicted of.

This is not supposed to be a slap on the wrist, otherwise these promoted scams won't get controlled at all.

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Glad there government is serious about sueing up those famous and rich people promoting scam since this could serve a warning to many influencers to not try to promote any crypto scams to their followers also with other celebrity to use their fame and take advantage just for their own personal gain.

I believe the settlement is not big enough to deter other shady people on internet to continue pushing these scams to their naive followers, in my opinion, instead going against legit tokens and coins like Bitcoin and BUSD, the SEC should step up their efforts to get "influencers" accountable if they do this.


The amount is not huge and those big celebrities can pay that so there should be more to make them accountable so that this could serve a good reminder not to go on illegal promotions.
legendary
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I agree that this is a good thing to do. This isn't some "be aware" story or scary thing, this isn't some witch hunt, these people promoted some shit stuff for money, making others lose, just so they could profit, and that is illegal.

You can't do that with gold, you can't do that with stocks, so you shouldn't be able to do it because it would cause others to lose so much money and not only unethical but it is against the law at the same time. On the other hand, if you come out and say "this project paid me to promote it" and then do it, that's fine, just like having an "advertisement" logo somewhere or something, allows people to see you got paid for it, otherwise what's the point.
legendary
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If a project, token or security is actively being promoted by someone famous on social media, then that should be considered to be a red flag. Period.

I believe the settlement is not big enough to deter other shady people on internet to continue pushing these scams to their naive followers, in my opinion, instead going against legit tokens and coins like Bitcoin and BUSD, the SEC should step up their efforts to get "influencers" accountable if they do this.
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SEC sues another celebrity the exact same one that they did to Kardashian on the promotion of a cryptocurrency scam.

SEC fines former NBA star Paul Pierce $1.4M over Etheruem Max
https://www.coindesk.com/policy/2023/02/17/sec-sues-former-nba-star-paul-pierce-over-ethereummax-promos
https://decrypt.co/121615/nba-star-paul-pierce-sec-fine-ethereum-max

Don't know why it took this long after fining her to go after this ex-NBA star for the exact same suit regarding promotion of a cryptocurrency.
But they only did just settle this late last week so they are really going with a fine tooth comb to squeeze even more out of this situation on the aftermath of the downfall of cryptocurrency exchange FTX months later.
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Here is the answer to beating the SEC, and essentially all of government's regulations, at least in the US.

There are two categories of living in the USA: Public, Private. Government has authority over public living, but it has very little authority over private living. The short answer is, live your life in private rather than public.

What does that mean for crypto? Do your crypto exchanging in private, so nobody knows the details about why you are transacting. Make a public statement for anyone who asks that such transactions have been done privately.

The fact is that if you don't use any public exchanges, the details behind any crypto operation ARE extremely private already. It takes the CIA and the NSA a bit of work to find out who is even behind transactions, provided that you don't tell them, and provided that you use a VPN to mask your Internet IP address.

If you want to go the rest of the way in privatizing your crypto transactions, join a private crypto club (is there such a thing?), or make a simple private club between yourself and whoever you are transacting with. Have the club in writing, so that you can show that it is private if the SEC asks about it. Use Private Membership Association (PMA) transacting.

What I mean is this. If your buddy comes over to your house, and you trade a bunch of money in your living room, it's a private transaction. Same with crypto. But make a formal agreement (PMA) that this is between the two of you, so that if the SEC pokes their nose in, they don't have the authority. It was private.

There are two parts to PMA making and operating: the formal PMA membership, and what to do to handle things if the SEC won't back down when you show them the PMA paperwork. Both parts can be found at the ProAdvocate Group here https://www.proadvocate.org/. The basic guy behind this was Karl Dahlstrom (deceased) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13OHj_2TOOA. But a general search on PMAs will give you a lot of info about how they are in use all over the place right now - https://duckduckgo.com/?t=lm&q=private+membership+association&ia=web.

Two thoughts regarding crypto and the PMA:

1. PMAs have no limit to the number of them that can be made. The only thing is to show something in the particular PMA in question that it is different than any other PMA. The way to do this with your crypto PMA is to use the hash of the transaction as the identification number of your PMA. Make a new PMA every time you transact. Write the PMA membership details right in the client, and reference it all in the transaction memo.

2. If the SEC drags you into court, never use an attorney. Why not? Because doing so drags you into the public, the exact thing that you don't want. See https://www.youarelaw.org/Download/CorpusJurisSecundum-AttorneyClient.pdf. ProAdvocate Group explains about not using an attorney. Rather, use a paralegal that you have contracted with to be your co-counsel. Much of the time paralegals know more law than attorneys, because attorneys use them to do their case research legwork.

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legendary
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SEC is the root of all problems when it comes to anything crypto related as anyone can see what it had done to it:
For the first time in it's history there was a death cross on the weekly technical analyst of bitcoin yesterday.

Here is a rundown of what this governing arm has done in the past 6 months to have it come to this:

https://twitter.com/robustus/status/1623484121342173184
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It's just a slap on the wrist for them since this is the second time she did this. The damage from the crypto ad is already done.

Meanwhile the actual pump&dump bros are probably partying in the Bahamas right now...

I don't understand why they need these influencers to promote crypto. I think there isn't any need to hire this paid influencer to encourage crypto.
Let it be reached organically by the people.
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After Gemini with their lending program go defunct the SEC and Gary Gensler sues Genesis and owners the Winklevoss twins,
https://nypost.com/2023/01/13/sec-sues-winklevoss-twins-over-gemini-earn-program-that-sparked-900m-crisis
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why hasnt the SEC gone after all the BSV influencers
Because it only takes one miner to out do what Craig Wright has done and not an entire government funded section dedicated to just securities it seems.


https://protos.com/craig-wrights-bsv-chain-has-been-captured-by-a-single-miner/
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Well then @dkbit98 you do not want to know about ripple and what the government has done with this case yet again involving their corrupt hand the SEC. They had people in government who have held assets while this trial was going on.
But back to the topic at hand.

This fine to Kasdashian was seen as a slap on the wrists because she was paid $250K to promote the project at the time. So really only had to make a settlement of $750K according to the quarterly.
The real punishment in this would be she can not pursue wanting to become a lawyer any longer because this is not allowed to have anything concerning the SEC filed against you and having not passed the bar exam.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/kim-kardashian-settles-with-sec-over-crypto-promotion/2022/10/03/8976daa8-4313-11ed-be17-89cbe6b8c0a5_story.html
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Great news for all of cryptocurrencies about now, huh, wouldn't you agree?
This is going to drive away mainstream investors and have an affect for the rest of the Crypto Winter that we are all in right now.
Not sure if this is great news for Bitcoin, they could easily turn their guns towards Bitcoin in the same way with a slight story change.
I don't trust anything that government does, they don't care about people and they don't want people to have any freedom, especially with the money.
Just wait until they switch into fifth gear with their CBDC crap soon, and than you will see similar twitter posts about Bitoin.  Tongue
Shame (for them) they can't find, arrest and prosecute the real Satoshi Nakamoto  Wink
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Seems that since this story broke ethmax token that caused this lawsuit of being a scam has pumped in its price 95%.
https://cryptopotato.com/emax-token-skyrockets-95-after-kim-kardashian-agreed-to-pay-the-1-26-million-sec-fine
Sin city crypto did a retrospective on this case and what it means for cryptocurrenies being shilled via these influencers:
https://youtu.be/e-Yudo38nTg

So why doesn't the SEC do an investigation of these altcoins and find the founders and put a case towards them to try and shut them down?

It happened with Do Kwon and Terra Luna having Interpol issuing a red notice against him.

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This is not new though, SEC has been targetting this so called crypto influencers, specially if they are stars or celebrities in their own right. Back in 2018, they have a case against Floyd Mayweather and DJ Khaled

https://www.sec.gov/news/press-release/2018-268

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Without admitting or denying the findings, Mayweather and Khaled agreed to pay disgorgement, penalties and interest. Mayweather agreed to pay $300,000 in disgorgement, a $300,000 penalty, and $14,775 in prejudgment interest. Khaled agreed to pay $50,000 in disgorgement, a $100,000 penalty, and $2,725 in prejudgment interest. In addition, Mayweather agreed not to promote any securities, digital or otherwise, for three years, and Khaled agreed to a similar ban for two years. Mayweather also agreed to continue to cooperate with the investigation.

So now it's the (in) famous Kim Kardashan turn now to settle the case court and just pay.
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I remember the video they made against meme stocks. They got no business doing this sort of thing, it's pretty f****d up that the sec is targeting specific investments. But, I think many of us don't trust the SEC anyways. Word on the street is that GG is basically a criminal, but what do I know about such things? Nothing, that's what. I'll just hold and ignore the nonsense.
So this is a thing with SEC releasing propaganda videos when they have a law suit going forward?
They are something you would expect a teacher showing to a five year old in elementary school. Very basic concepts that any adult should know ebfore stepping out their door in the morning to avoid getting scammed out of their life savings.
I don't know what this governing body's main purpose for the world is up to this point.

Netflix has a docuseries that was just released about gamestop stonks so they might show that in there since it was the forefather of all meme stocks.
I am only half way through episode one so will have to let you know about that one.
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I remember the video they made against meme stocks. They got no business doing this sort of thing, it's pretty f****d up that the sec is targeting specific investments. But, I think many of us don't trust the SEC anyways. Word on the street is that GG is basically a criminal, but what do I know about such things? Nothing, that's what. I'll just hold and ignore the nonsense.
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Lmao I can't even count how much "influencers" need to actually be pursued by the SEC. Namely: Ben "BitBoy" Armstrong, Lark "CryptoLark" Davis, Ran "CryptoManRan" NeuNer, Michael "SuppoMan" Suppo, Tai Lopez, the list goes on.
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The pumpers hurt us way more than the SEC.

They are in a position they have to be careful especially when behind the wheel of a public company, ask Elon.
Elon is the worst one of the celebrity influencers with toting dogecoin and spewing what he thought of cryptomarkets on his skit on SNL last year.

The problem is with them doing this is that it direct affects bitcoin and it's view on it by the eyes of the entire world.
That is the impact that these kind of influencers have and even if you don't like it, it is a reality.
They can make or break markets with anything they promote or their view on something or someone in the media's eyehold.

They buy these alt coins and guess what they do with it, whether it be a altcoin whale or the creator, they sell it for guess what?
That is right: BTC
Then they exchange that for fiat and the price tumbles.
This is a rinse and repeat cycle for any of these pump and dump alt coins.
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why hasnt the SEC gone after all the BSV influencers
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