Topic: Gavin Andresen calls it a "mistake" to trust CSW - page 3. (Read 795 times)

It would seem I neglected to make this thread self-moderated. Please stop derailing this thread before I lock it.

@moses
so your claims are that you are satoshi.. and gavin.. whilst it seems your actually playing the part of CSW by doing these games of yours

so your claiming you know about the history and also know about bitcoin
yet your posts have soo many errors and inaccuracies that are soo bad, that you are just debunking yourself by even trying to make the claims you make

dont waste months on trying to pretend your some early adopter or developer. becasue you are wasting your own time..
take a few months off and spend it learning about what bitcoin really is and does. and how you can if you grew some morals find a lawful and ethical way to make an income rather than your shady games you have played in recent months


oh by the way. this forum stores users posts. so its easy to see what games you have been playing. so there is no point in acting like your newest post is the only one anyone has ever seen about you and your games

Listen Mr fanky1, you were not there when I was discussing Bitcoin for the first time on 5th May in IRC. I am Gavin Andresen here, my IRC nick was Gavin but not Gavin Bell. Do you understand. You need to know first who was behind the nick Gavin Andresen ?  You have no clues, why I chose Gavin Bell and gave him my own IRC nick "Gavin Andresen". It is my business not yours. You have found opportunity with my invention Bitcoin and Blockchain, you are lucky and you must know who is behind the amount BitcoinMoses ? 

Just stop attacking me other wise first I will reveal your Identity  before I reveal mine. Why can't you just use your own wisdom and ethics you talk about. I know Craig Wright since 4 May 2007. Stop lecturing me.

@moses
you have no clue about the history of bitcoin... (socially or technically)
.. take a few months off and learn some stuff

it was actually CSW plus his investors that reached out and contacted a bitcoin conference organiser to contact her contacts of well known people to see who would be willing to get paid to visit CSW

everything else you saying to try to attempt to get yourself involved in all that drama is just BS

you are not well versed in the history, nor even how bitcoin works.
accept your flaws. and realise you are not convincing anyone

It is getting to get very hit.  What we need to understand it the core point of the element.  How about the true fact without fiction regarding the relationship of the two, called Craig Wright and Gavin Andresen ? 

There must be some top secret between them but all that masterminded by a third person name Jon Matonis. In the real fact It is Gavin Bell and Jon Matonis who hired Craig Wright quickly in 2016 because I woke up after some years in 2014 because just protect my old friend Dorian Nakamoto.

Finally they, all together stopped me to reveal my identity by putting Craig on BBC stage where he proved by signing message with public key because he has no clues of PGP and Bitcoin as he was a "Newbie" the Bitcoin Drama.

I think, it is time for me clean the Bitcoin Space and put to rest the question who is satoshi nakamoto ?  And we can move forward in the next stage of Bitcoin mass adoption buy you know, without Bitcoin drama in the real world in real time many thing go "slowmo" so let's stop paying too much attention to other things and focus on Bitcoin market development and governments intentions if Bitcoin and all crypto currency need to be regulated ?

Craig is a great actor, he is playing his role as you all playing yours. I am just watching and wondering about the whole thing. Every one knows the an extraordinary claim requires an extra ordinary evidence. Craig said, he stomed on the Satoshis Hard drive and destroyed the Private Keys of Satoshi. Now, is saying some one has stollen the encrypted private keys of Tulip Trust and he is now filled case against my 12 Deciples and demanding to change the Bitcoin code. What a nonsense ?  Bitcoin code was not developed by my 12  deciples known as  bitcoin developers, it I, Am Satoshi Nakamoto, I wrote the Bitcoin code and all my 32 disciples and appostles together helping me by running the Bitcoin System Software smoothly. If any one try to break the Bitcoin then by scamming legal enforcement, I will not tolerate it.

It is time for my 12 disciples to contact me. So we together can teach a tough lesson to any one who impersonate me to scam investors or governments.

A couple of years ago someone called Craig Wright starts claiming to be the real creator of bitcoin, Satoshi Nakamoto. Then this person starts contacting different bitcoin experts to convince them to support his claims. One of them is Gavin Adresen. Only Gavin is convinced after the meeting with the scammer and without seeing any reliable proof. Gavin then starts supporting his claim (read the article in OP).

Someone who does this is either an idiot or malicious. I tend to think the later.

NDA are not valid reason to decline answering in criminal law..
bit in civil law(contract law) NDA are applicable

and CSW loves doing civil cases where his "witnesses" for his side are all contracted up to be his silent sheep, or pleet out the bahh's of whatever CSW shepherds them to say

however if there was ever a criminal case against CSW his cards will fall fast where he cant rely on his NDA and the witnesses can get penalised by the courts for lying/withholding evidence and such

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side note comedy observation

a certain group of idiots in this forum(and they appear in this topic) seem obviously sponsored/bribed to sing a certain song sheet about certain things they say for the last few years that defend a certain corporate brand that wants bitcoin bloated and expensive to then promote some other flawed subnetwork as the offramp people should move over to.

you can spot the usual signs. they defend a certain thing with the same rehearsed words. they lack independent thought of wanting research, nor can they back up their narrative with block-data or code. they just want to use social networks of quotes of other followers as their proofs


they dont want code fixes for code bugs. nor to strengthen consensus... they instead sing the echoed song sheet of wanting soft consensus to remain and continue to allow the bloat, where by they also want to abuse fees of everyone to increase.. as their fix for the spam they want tolerated.

they, by appearing to act like idiots by defending a certain agenda.. sounds familiar right..? wright?

Gavin supported an obvious liar. I don't get how you could be so easily fooled. Craig never did anything good for the community. He's a narcissist who wants to use outdated centralized systems to influence bitcoin. A good examples of this attitude are patent claims and court cases where he tries to sue proponents of free speech. He thinks that the court can somehow give him rights to bitcoin. This idiot thinks he'll fight his way into history books.

Craig is sick, but what was Gavin's agenda here? What did he hope to achieve by supporting Craig?
Somebody should tell Craig that no matter what patents he gets and what court cases he wins, he can't turn back time.

This is another reminder that we should all learn to always verify what we read, regardless of the expertise or reputation of the person saying it. Someone could be extremely smart and savvy in an area, and make rookie errors in another, or they could be bought over.

Do not be "influenced" by the opinion of others regardless how highly you rate them; Always Verify.

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This edit by Gavin Andresen is more like putting band aid over a deep tissue cut. There is a lot more that could be said to further distance himself from the idea that Craig Wright is Satoshi and categorically call it a lie.

Better late than never.

Devs are supposed to be smart. I had a lot of respect to people who are smart enough to update code and implement bug fixes, but then we have this:

"I saw him sign a message, put it on a USB stick that I provided to him and saw it verified on a clean computer that I had witnessed the downloading of the verification software, and it had been unpacked from a factory-sealed box," he said. "And it was a message I gave to him, so it was a message of my choosing. So I am convinced he has that key. So I don’t know why he did this wacky, complicated thing [on his blog]."

The above text is from 2016.

We all know this was fake. Craig never had the keys and Gavin either knew about it and went along with it lying to everyone or he was conned by Wright. Wright never had and still doesn't have Satoshi's keys and if he did he wouldn't be suing bitcoin devs to get access.
Wright wants to destroy bitcoin. If he had Satoshi's coins he'd crash the market and used the money to shill SV and pump it to start a FOMO rally.
Real Satoshi would never be the enemy of bitcoin like Wright.

NDA is applicable when dealing with national security or contracts with high monetary risks, I am not aware of a NDA where keeping silent is considered as obstruction of justice, unless there are some stupid rules in US or other countries that allow such a thing.

Why is Gavin Andresen a idiot? I have been around more long enough not to be known as a newcomer but I do not know why the btc community is so hostile towards him? From what I have read he has always been level headed and done what he thought was best for the btc community and it was a big loss when he stopped developing for btc.

That's a fact that you and I know but if we look through the eyes of newcomers Andresen is someone who could be made to look like an "expert" who knows what he is talking about. Lest we forget that we live in a society that average people tend to easily believe random stuff they read on the internet.

GA did help with things in previous years. much like certain leaders of the past. but their voice today does not create code that activates today.

we have seen politicians get bought out and publicise certain corporate leanings and sides in the past.

just because they were leaders on date X does not mean we have to believe them on date Y nor does it mean they have power on date Z

we can uniquely praise their Date X activity. and find offence in date Y and not be bothered or not find it important or do find it important about Z
all as separate opinions of the same person.

there was even controversy abut date W. where some think core was defacto god group. and anything outside core is traitor group not belonging to bitcoin.
where other people think bitcoin should not have a god group. but instead a diverse network of multiple teams where no one is god. and instead just byzantine generals that should al be able to propose features and find unity over  features the community find usefulness in which the byzantine generals all then contribute towards providing code for in their own brands.. and not some opposition fight about who should be thrown off the network first

where by W is treated separate to X, Y Z but overall people can have thoughts that W is leaning one way or y leans the other or z is neutral

i dont think GA and CSW were buddies. it was a business deal (money changed hands)

Gavin Andresen still commands respect among the btc community he helped make it what it is today even if he has not been around like he was in the early years without him and his time that he put into developing btc I do not think he would have got to where we are today so quickly. His name is forever associated with btc and there comes responsibility with that. I do not doubt that he is reluctant to publicly denounce CSW hard because of their former friendship and he does not want the drama but it is the socially responsible thing to do.

My point is that this half baked non-denouncing is not enough. He can and should just outright call CSW a liar and a fraud, as everyone else has.

As I mentioned earlier in this thread, I (and everyone else here) already fully know that Andresen's statements cannot be relied upon in any way. However, CSW continues to rely on witness testimony in court, because that is all he has. Having one his most well known and prominent witnesses make a complete denunciation is more powerful than the statement of "it was a mistake to trust CSW", as I'm sure CSW will no doubt perform his usual mental gymnastics to say that Andresen was referring to something else entirely.

I place no value whatsoever in the opinion of people like Mashinsky or SBF either, but I still think they should come forward, accept the blame, and apologize to all the users of their platforms for scamming them.

CSW, GA, both of them lie, I know mister T and he doesn't look like CSW. mister T wants to stay anonymous otherwise he would come here and reveal his real identity. CSW's claims have no merits whatsoever. Please do not feed more to this fire.

Andresen has long since ceased to be someone to look to anyway, so I don't understand your point at all, what he says or does not say makes no difference to the issue.


It's not (and never was) credible for him to claim that trusting Craig Wright made even 1 scintilla of sense, when he had more than enough:

• knowledge
• skill
• responsibility

...to actually assess what Craig Wright presented to him, instead of saying "of that looks good to me, I trust you o' unknown and unproven person making earth shattering claims to be the person I worked with on early Bitcoin under a pseudonym"

Andresen was clearly playing games, or a total idiot, and thus disqualifies himself from the list of "people to listen to"

Gavin Andresen's first mistake was to speak to the 3 letter agencies and then admitting it to Satoshi Nakamoto... after that, Satoshi Nakamoto was gone...... then he left Bitcoin as the Lead developer and joined Mike Hearn as the competition to Bitcoin, making him a hostile enemy in most people's eyes.

He then caused more harm to Bitcoin, by supporting CW in his claim that he was the real Satoshi Nakamoto.... and that exploded in his face. Where do we draw the line between sabotage and mistakes?

In my opinion, GA should have become a person of distrust the moment he went to the most famous three-letter agency and opened his soul on the subject of Bitcoin (for compensation, of course). I always wondered how Satoshi could even consider such a man as a trustworthy person and give him credibility after he left.

The damage done by GA when he stood by Faketoshi is irreparable regardless of all his apologies - and the question is why he is bringing up this topic again as if anyone with a modicum of common sense doesn't understand what actually happened.