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no email ffor me, but i'mdoing hosted furys 

But as you said in your next post, chinese equipment is used and can burn your house down. So using that as a sales pitch without directly pointing fingers at Gseed, GAW is securing its lead. Also, I'll say again, this doesn't give the chinese the chance to mass-mine with the equipment and then sell the equipment to makes tons of cash. They are forced to sell 'new' equipment, changing the game as Josh desires so much. Plus with the other idea I gave Josh, either scrypt or x11 or both, GAW would be unstoppable, IMO. Gaw could also have 2 teams for its products, one for "short term lower budget" product releases to satisfy the customers with an equivalent product that china would release to just dissuade potential miners from buying from china. Then release the 'mothership' after a few months, thereby making all asics before it obsolete, including GAWs lower budget asics, but produce and charge enough 'motherships' to make the profits in the limited time window. Look at supposed titan sales. it is possible. But it all depends on the resources GAW has at its disposal, if Gaw is big enough. It's not about the money for Josh at this point from all the 'mission statements' I've read, although it's helps haha, its about changing the way things are run in the entire ASIC world. Although the comparable units aren't totally the same, one mistake was to use Zeus in the respect they are competing with each other seeing who gives the better deal. Exclusivity is key, unless GAW needed this step to gain a foothold and experience.

By all of the miners trying to get the most of our money out of Josh by crying to him when there's a problem, it IS changing the way things are being done, BUT its delaying GAW from the true changes in store for us. That's why I didn't press the issues of the price drop or ROI for GEN A's. I know the money is being used constructively. I may not even claim my ~$500 store credit for a while and continue to pay un-discounted prices just to support GAW, of course if there's no expiration date on it.... This is how one believes in an ideal, with what I'm able to do with the resources at MY disposal. Go JOSH!!!!!

Exciting. 

Thanks for the update. Now I'll be glued to my computer waiting for the announcement.

Just asked support what the zenminer controller is, apparently there will be an announcement coming out later today.  

I ordered 2 furys as well.  on the 19th I got an email that my furys were being shipped (2 furys)
"Thank you for your order from GAW Miners! We wanted to let you know that your order (#) is being prepared for shipment! You will receive tracking very soon! "
Then this morning,
"Thank you for your order from GAW Miners! We wanted to let you know that your order (# - Accessories) is being prepared for shipment! You will receive tracking very soon!"
Zeusminer Controller

Any idea what it is?  

I'm guessing it's either a custom Raspbery Pi like controller, or custom software needed to mine with the miners?

Edit: Only had ordered 2 Fury miners so it must be something included . . .

I got that email too, direct from GAW though. Had a USB cable and a PSU in the order too so I'm guessing it's the kit for the Fury.

Didn't receive any email this AM from Gaw or Amazon.

Yes, got that this morning too

Did anyone else get an email from GAWMiners (Through Amazon Marketplace) about a Zenminer Controller shipping soon? 

Maybe it's one of the surprises that was hinted at a few days ago? Hopefully 

This sounds interesting. To turn it into an efficient heater you'd probably need water cooling with external radiator, which would cover both noise and heat problems.
The downside is one would have to design and machine a custom water block, which is much more expensive than just buying one of the stock CPU radiators and making it fit (like most companies do).

Regarding canceling My previous preorder and reordering the fury on the new Privé structure. I just want to give props to Amanda at Gaw. she was awsome through and through.

Thanks for pointing this out, noticed the fury quietly jumped from 30w to 35w without any news?

Worth mentioning for the same amount of power you could run 5 gridseed 5's on stock clocks with the fans, of course you could also remove the fans and run 8 or 9 for the same power cost. Why do they use so much more power than the previous gen of scrypt miners?

It's getting really hard to run all this stuff in a house with 110V 15A circuits, I can barely turn on the lights on in my office while mining without tripping the breaker now, had to switch out the 65W bulbs with low watt energy savers so I could see. 

Are you guys raising the power consumption? My first order a few weeks back was for a week-one 27MH/s Falcon that ran at 480w. Now it's been raised to 740w! That's an extra 54% in power. Well above the quoted "+ or – 10%" margin of error. Will we be seeing a 54% increase in Falcon hash rate (~41MH/s)?

I agree.  Cut out the pre-order non-sense.  Look at the video game industry.  Their pre-orders are laughable at this point.  But I digress.  I think if they want to stay in business...new developments are key.  If GAW Miners can get some smart techies to create a miner that can use the x11 algo...it will help keep their customers in the mining business longer.  Otherwise people will go broke and move on to the next transient distraction in life.

Gaw would be already making the next gen if they were smart as china was just thinking about replicating. Doesn't matter if china replicates as long as gaw stays ahead and makes enough money and keeps price competitive enough just to keep china's paws off the asic market. If china released a product, GAW could still be 10-20% higher since they could GUARANTEE new equipment being sold unlike gridseed and the 'used' bullcrap. Tech goes obsolete so quick anyway, I wouldn't see a difference in timeframe. Also, this x11 idea doesn't give the chinese the chance to mine and sell us used equipment weeks/months later.

while it would be nice it will get copied  by the Chinese and sold cheaply.   So the edge you get won't last very long.

Mining is tough  look at a company like bitmaintech  and the great ant miner s-1. Still viable came out in dec and it is now may.  6 months .   pretty good. here is some advice.  make a miner that can have a legit second use as a space heater.  Make it have winter mode.  use the quietest fans so that someone will not mind it running in the living room/den while watching tv.

I was going to run a contest this june for a space heater design for s-1's
  I may or may not run the contest as they just may not hash enough to be a good idea.

but if you had a 500-1000 watt miner for scrypt with:
 good price
 good hash per watt.
 good looks
 quiet fans
no cut your finger fans
anti- shock safety
let it drop on sept 1-oct 1
no preorders.

you can sell it as a heater/miner   and make it appeal to the spouses of people like me.

My wife likes the warm tv room in the fall -winter -spring seasons.

my wife uses spot electric heaters.   so I can sell here on a miner that does this.

Josh,

In response to your question, though probably not the answer you seek, I have this to offer you.

Don't try to be the best in "scrypt-already-way-too-competitive market", but keep maintaining the ground you've gained, and let's dominate in another. You'll end up going broke if you keep trying to keep everyone happy as zeus keeps giving their customers more and more. don't abandon your path, just take the 'fork'. haha. Develop the first x11 asic miner, and don't be stingy with hashes, give massive hashes for the first x11 asics, leaps and bounds beyond the other x11asic makers wildest dreams.Most importantly: Beat the chinese to it. That will change crypto forever, the way you want to. Be the Apple or Intel of its time. leave your impact as a crater.... there's your cash cow and the solution. You're potential reputational rewards will help your scrypt asic efforts as well.
That will make you the 'best'.... in x11... also, no competition automatically makes you the 'best'. 

Interesting question. I think there is no doubt these various types of use-cases.

1) biggest rig/efficient miners -- These users often come up with interesting cooling solutions. what comes to mind recently was how some people were removing fans from 5 chip gridseeds and stacking them tall or laying them sideways. this allowed for much larger solutions and was very educational. I myself really used some of these tactics to help quiet down my rig and efficiently stack them. Not to mention overclock techniques these people help the rest of us get the most from our rigs.

2) who gets it first -- Often times I have found the people that get it first provide invaluable information to other users such as review sites. I have seen blogs do in depth analysis even before releases of products and that helps alot of us make decisions. especially with pre-orders. The people who get it first usually are kind enough to share their views, pictures and it confirms the reality of the product for users who were waiting for that. The nature of this industry with pre-orders, some scams, and delays make even more important a set of people to get the miners first to help quickly share their findings such as overclocking, pictures, overall comments. Yet, there is no question there are simply those going at this purely technical and want the biggest power to beat rising difficulties. I presume lessons learned from how Bitcoin grew.

3) most hash power -- I think this is often seen in pools. People who are not listed as "anonymous" clearly want others to know their rig is running at high rates. I am often envious checking stats at the various pools. But again, these might be the same people going after the technical play of beating difficulty.

4) profit -- Probably the most difficult to pull off with lots of foresight. I think that can be seen in the scenario with the Titan. People have known about the Titan for some time but it is still not released which means people focused on profit follow the mantra of mining now is always better than mining later. I could have 3x the hash power but if the difficulty has risen 4x and above then it is not an apples to apples comparison.

Overall, I think the "best" miners are ones that share some of their results. Maybe its a trick they found such as optimizing the Gridseeds at a certain MHZ for overclock while still being cool. Or maybe they answer questions for people who are curious about the miner itself. Such as what does it look like and how are people using it. I remember when I first got into BTC I started with USB sticks. I remember going nuts trying to find hubs that would work correctly for the most USB sticks. It always helps when people share their experience and those are the "best" or better put most valuable miners in my opinion.

Yet, if we are talking about "skill" these people are the ones that really take the mining to unique levels such as a physical modification of a device. Overclocking a speed is one thing but testing different chips and soldering to me I see as a "skill" and invaluable to this industry.

Lastly, "credibility/influence" there will always be first movers in any industry. Those people often times are similar to the "best" miners I spoke of above. While not every miner has the time to share all their findings even spending the time answering some questions helps. I firmly believe the more "teachers" we have for "newbie miners" helps grow the cryptocoin world and is critical to the growth. I compare it to when I have friends come over and they see my mining rig it sparks conversation. That is always a great way to grow our world. Bitcoin and the other coins would never have grown to what they became if not for people taking the time to teach and show others while getting them involved. Therefore, it is incredibly important to have a range of machines too. Those smaller miners might have payback periods that are unrealistic but sometimes it is not about making the money back but more about learning the industry itself aka "getting your feet wet".

Anyways, I want to thank everyone who has spent the time to share their thoughts, findings, reviews, pictures, links, knowledge and more. We would not be growing and where we are if not for their help.

Cheers!