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Topic: GAW / Josh Garza discussion Paycoin XPY xpy.io ION ionomy. ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :) - page 1373. (Read 3377922 times)

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Pretty sure that it's not a rule, it's someone talking out their ass. If something gains utility and there is more demand than supply, the price will go up.

Supply and demand are the only hard and fast rules in economics.
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How is this not a Garza scheme?

(1) Exaggeration and misleading claims vs. outright lies.

(2) A plausible mechanism to achieve the discount vs. claims that make no sense at all.

(3) Promised savings so small it's hard to understand why anyone finds it interesting, vs. big "get rich quick" promises.

They have an existing company that does some kind of lame price comparison service unrelated to crypto. Their claims about millions of customers and millions of dollars and so on are about that. Really underwhelming when you see what it actually is. I think it's probably not a scam in the criminal sense, just a dumb idea with aggressive marketing.
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The Scamcoats are coming!
Uhmmm... WTF?

Thanks, but no thanks.



Wow, he didn't even customize the invite...

Wow, an invite from the Hash Jester. You should accept!
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How is this not a Garza scheme?

I love it!! Ponzi Scheme is so 1920... Can we not refresh the term a little?

Garza Scheme!
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The more I look at ziftrcoin, the more it resembles paycoin/paybase.  All they need is a fascist forum and it will be almost a clone.

And by the way, that is the worst name for a coin I think I have ever seen,  and there are some doozies out there.
Ziftrcoin is nothing like paycoin. Ziftrcoin guarantees a $1 value of your coins, for up to 5% of your order when your buying something from one of their vendors in their market.

Essentially if you buy something from one of the stores in their market, for $100 the vendor gives ziftr a 10% affiliate fee ($10) then they guarantee you at east $5 for the coins you use to buy the product. -- So even still ziftr is making $5 on each of those purchases, even if the value of the coin is $0

Which is a horrible incentive. Compared to paycoin guaranteeing $20 a coin it does not resemble xpy much.

Edit: http://ziftrtalk.org/ looks like they already have a forum too. Just missing all the bagholders, but they'll be there in a month or two.

I don't know what you're talking about. Ziftr is almost an exact copy of paycoin/paybase.

The $1 floor is no different from the $20 floor GAW promised and GAW also threw merchant discounts in to the feature list.
Well apparently you don't know what your talking about either because it is not a $1 floor. it is a guarantee of $1 value up to 5% of your order when buying a product, not exchanging for usd or btc.

Wow you're right. Every time I dig deeper into Ziftr the more scammy it looks.

So basically there's no guarantee or minimum at $1 despite it being plastered all over the website.

Also notice how it says "Up to 5%"? So nobody should be surprised when they decide to only honor the $1 value for 0.0001% of your order.

So here's what I've gathered so far:

- Blatant lie about size of customer base ("existing user base of 2 million+ consumers")
- Blatant lie about merchant base. ("tens of thousands of merchants")
- Clear deception about "guaranteed" floor.
- Massive premine
- Coin comes packed with zero innovation
- Only value adding feature (5% discount) has already been done well by other companies. (Fatwallet, Purse.io)

How is this not a Garza scheme?



I guess thats why BitJane endorses it man she loves a good scam.
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The more I look at ziftrcoin, the more it resembles paycoin/paybase.  All they need is a fascist forum and it will be almost a clone.

And by the way, that is the worst name for a coin I think I have ever seen,  and there are some doozies out there.
Ziftrcoin is nothing like paycoin. Ziftrcoin guarantees a $1 value of your coins, for up to 5% of your order when your buying something from one of their vendors in their market.

Essentially if you buy something from one of the stores in their market, for $100 the vendor gives ziftr a 10% affiliate fee ($10) then they guarantee you at east $5 for the coins you use to buy the product. -- So even still ziftr is making $5 on each of those purchases, even if the value of the coin is $0

Which is a horrible incentive. Compared to paycoin guaranteeing $20 a coin it does not resemble xpy much.

Edit: http://ziftrtalk.org/ looks like they already have a forum too. Just missing all the bagholders, but they'll be there in a month or two.

I don't know what you're talking about. Ziftr is almost an exact copy of paycoin/paybase.

The $1 floor is no different from the $20 floor GAW promised and GAW also threw merchant discounts in to the feature list.
Well apparently you don't know what your talking about either because it is not a $1 floor. it is a guarantee of $1 value up to 5% of your order when buying a product, not exchanging for usd or btc.

Wow you're right. Every time I dig deeper into Ziftr the more scammy it looks.

So basically there's no guarantee or minimum at $1 despite it being plastered all over the website.

Also notice how it says "Up to 5%"? So nobody should be surprised when they decide to only honor the $1 value for 0.0001% of your order.

So here's what I've gathered so far:

- Blatant lie about size of customer base ("existing user base of 2 million+ consumers")
- Blatant lie about merchant base. ("tens of thousands of merchants")
- Clear deception about "guaranteed" floor.
- Massive premine
- Coin comes packed with zero innovation
- Only value adding feature (5% discount) has already been done well by other companies. (Fatwallet, Purse.io)

How is this not a Garza scheme?
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Uhmmm... WTF?

Thanks, but no thanks.



Wow, he didn't even customize the invite...
legendary
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The coin of the week is Zifter
Watch your money go down the Shitter
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The more I look at ziftrcoin, the more it resembles paycoin/paybase.  All they need is a fascist forum and it will be almost a clone.

And by the way, that is the worst name for a coin I think I have ever seen,  and there are some doozies out there.
Ziftrcoin is nothing like paycoin. Ziftrcoin guarantees a $1 value of your coins, for up to 5% of your order when your buying something from one of their vendors in their market.

Essentially if you buy something from one of the stores in their market, for $100 the vendor gives ziftr a 10% affiliate fee ($10) then they guarantee you at east $5 for the coins you use to buy the product. -- So even still ziftr is making $5 on each of those purchases, even if the value of the coin is $0

Which is a horrible incentive. Compared to paycoin guaranteeing $20 a coin it does not resemble xpy much.

Edit: http://ziftrtalk.org/ looks like they already have a forum too. Just missing all the bagholders, but they'll be there in a month or two.

I don't know what you're talking about. Ziftr is almost an exact copy of paycoin/paybase.

The $1 floor is no different from the $20 floor GAW promised and GAW also threw merchant discounts in to the feature list.
Well apparently you don't know what your talking about either because it is not a $1 floor. it is a guarantee of $1 value up to 5% of your order when buying a product, not exchanging for usd or btc.
Oh it's not a floor it's just a $1 guarantee of value for each coin...wait wut

Well the person before me stated: it is an "exact copy of paycoin/paybase" mainly in reference to the promise of a floor.

Paycoin promised you can exchange your coin for BTC at a $20 value. - Ziftrcoin promises if you buy something for $100 off their market, with ziftrcoin, at least 5 of those coins will be worth a dollar.

I was merely pointing out how that is not close to being "exactly the same". Paycoin was much more ambitious with their promise, as ziftr is more or less providing a coupon that you can only use with them.
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The more I look at ziftrcoin, the more it resembles paycoin/paybase.  All they need is a fascist forum and it will be almost a clone.

And by the way, that is the worst name for a coin I think I have ever seen,  and there are some doozies out there.
Ziftrcoin is nothing like paycoin. Ziftrcoin guarantees a $1 value of your coins, for up to 5% of your order when your buying something from one of their vendors in their market.

Essentially if you buy something from one of the stores in their market, for $100 the vendor gives ziftr a 10% affiliate fee ($10) then they guarantee you at east $5 for the coins you use to buy the product. -- So even still ziftr is making $5 on each of those purchases, even if the value of the coin is $0

Which is a horrible incentive. Compared to paycoin guaranteeing $20 a coin it does not resemble xpy much.

Edit: http://ziftrtalk.org/ looks like they already have a forum too. Just missing all the bagholders, but they'll be there in a month or two.

I don't know what you're talking about. Ziftr is almost an exact copy of paycoin/paybase.

The $1 floor is no different from the $20 floor GAW promised and GAW also threw merchant discounts in to the feature list.
Well apparently you don't know what your talking about either because it is not a $1 floor. it is a guarantee of $1 value up to 5% of your order when buying a product, not exchanging for usd or btc.
Oh it's not a floor it's just a $1 guarantee of value for each coin...wait wut
newbie
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The more I look at ziftrcoin, the more it resembles paycoin/paybase.  All they need is a fascist forum and it will be almost a clone.

And by the way, that is the worst name for a coin I think I have ever seen,  and there are some doozies out there.
Ziftrcoin is nothing like paycoin. Ziftrcoin guarantees a $1 value of your coins, for up to 5% of your order when your buying something from one of their vendors in their market.

Essentially if you buy something from one of the stores in their market, for $100 the vendor gives ziftr a 10% affiliate fee ($10) then they guarantee you at east $5 for the coins you use to buy the product. -- So even still ziftr is making $5 on each of those purchases, even if the value of the coin is $0

Which is a horrible incentive. Compared to paycoin guaranteeing $20 a coin it does not resemble xpy much.

Edit: http://ziftrtalk.org/ looks like they already have a forum too. Just missing all the bagholders, but they'll be there in a month or two.

I don't know what you're talking about. Ziftr is almost an exact copy of paycoin/paybase.

The $1 floor is no different from the $20 floor GAW promised and GAW also threw merchant discounts in to the feature list.
Well apparently you don't know what your talking about either because it is not a $1 floor. it is a guarantee of $1 value up to 5% of your order when buying a product, not exchanging for usd or btc.
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Uhmmm... WTF?

Thanks, but no thanks.

legendary
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Does it show anywhere how much time do the loaded Hashstakers have until their expiration? It looks like it just shows "3 months" or "6 months" but not how much of it remains.


what difference would it make? i am a sure someone can sell some to you if you are really  interested in the details....

 When you click to purchase, a box will come up with the info, and also tell you how many days are left etc.
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Does it show anywhere how much time do the loaded Hashstakers have until their expiration? It looks like it just shows "3 months" or "6 months" but not how much of it remains.


what difference would it make? i am a sure someone can sell some to you if you are really  interested in the details....
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Whoa, GAW has opened up the ability to sell hashstakers. I wonder if I can sell off my prime stakers and hashstakers to some true believers.

Its hard to believe but people are buying them. Mind you, it is a fire sale.

lol for sure down to 1.16 people are going to undercut eachother till they're worth dirt h0h0h0

Does it show anywhere how much time do the loaded Hashstakers have until their expiration? It looks like it just shows "3 months" or "6 months" but not how much of it remains.

I was reading on one of the threads on HT earlier where someone actually did the math (I know- shocker-right? Roll Eyes) and initially some idiots were paying more for the stakers than it would cost to buy the amount of XPY they would yield in their lifetime + the coin(s) in them. Probably still happening, they are not a real bright bunch over there.

P.S: That is not even getting into what the XPY will be worth in the future if you wait around for them to stake....

Yep, some of the asking prices don't make sense. Not sure if anyone is paying that much though. But I wouldn't be surprised, especially considering how obfuscated it all is - e.g. market pricing is in USD.

Looks like a feeble attempt by GAW to create some BTC revenue via fees.

Yeah it does.  Here I cut and paste some samples its so varried some have diff amounts of xpy but you'll get the idea.



Sorry I got busy at work here before I could finish....

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https://bpip.org
Whoa, GAW has opened up the ability to sell hashstakers. I wonder if I can sell off my prime stakers and hashstakers to some true believers.

Its hard to believe but people are buying them. Mind you, it is a fire sale.

lol for sure down to 1.16 people are going to undercut eachother till they're worth dirt h0h0h0

Does it show anywhere how much time do the loaded Hashstakers have until their expiration? It looks like it just shows "3 months" or "6 months" but not how much of it remains.

I was reading on one of the threads on HT earlier where someone actually did the math (I know- shocker-right? Roll Eyes) and initially some idiots were paying more for the stakers than it would cost to buy the amount of XPY they would yield in their lifetime + the coin(s) in them. Probably still happening, they are not a real bright bunch over there.

P.S: That is not even getting into what the XPY will be worth in the future if you wait around for them to stake....

Yep, some of the asking prices don't make sense. Not sure if anyone is paying that much though. But I wouldn't be surprised, especially considering how obfuscated it all is - e.g. market pricing is in USD.

Looks like a feeble attempt by GAW to create some BTC revenue via fees.
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