We have a sell off.
Can I get an amen?
I said can I get an amen???
I think it's funny the only volume on XPY is when people sell. Lol. Can I get an amen?
I said can I get an amen???
Topic: GAW / Josh Garza discussion Paycoin XPY xpy.io ION ionomy. ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :) - page 1705. (Read 3377956 times)
January 10, 2015, 04:34:49 PM
January 10, 2015, 04:34:39 PM
What has GAW done that is actually illegal? With proof. Legit question. I understand the shady business accusations, but I'm curious if anyone has anything that they can say was an actual illegal business practice.
Now, what has GAW done that is illegal, but can't quite prove it. All the facts add up, but there might be one missing piece.
And if you want, what bad business did GAW do, that's not illegal, but just bad business? Don't mention the $20 "guarantee" cause that's a given.
I'm actually interested in this. From what I've followed, the physical miner sales were fine. Yeah, GAW tried to convert the customers to Cloud Mining, but from what I've followed, they did refund those that wanted refunds on unfulfilled physical miner orders. The Cloud Mining part of GAW did well for some people, like me. I turned a profit. Not the "$20" profit like I thought, but profit no less.
By the way, sometimes the anti-GAW people start to get as crazy as the pro-GAW people.
Now, what has GAW done that is illegal, but can't quite prove it. All the facts add up, but there might be one missing piece.
And if you want, what bad business did GAW do, that's not illegal, but just bad business? Don't mention the $20 "guarantee" cause that's a given.
I'm actually interested in this. From what I've followed, the physical miner sales were fine. Yeah, GAW tried to convert the customers to Cloud Mining, but from what I've followed, they did refund those that wanted refunds on unfulfilled physical miner orders. The Cloud Mining part of GAW did well for some people, like me. I turned a profit. Not the "$20" profit like I thought, but profit no less.
By the way, sometimes the anti-GAW people start to get as crazy as the pro-GAW people.
That's a loaded question, isn't it? Impossible to answer in a short post, but just to scratch the surface:
IANAL but hashlets without mining, as well as the pumping of the coin (bots, $25, etc) and the subsequent scrubbing of past announcements and promises could be illegal if not conclusively provable.
Bad business is just about every lie they told us - always profitable hashlets, hashstaker ROI, merchant adoption at launch, no pre-mine, etc.
Backpedaling on the debate is neither here nor there but it highlights the spineless and dishonest character of a certain individual, whom the whole paycoin/paybase project so heavily depends on. For some this failure to defend the project can look like bad business.
January 10, 2015, 04:34:34 PM
Wow, this question has a massive scope. Please read this thread. We go over it many many times. At least read the first three pages (and links) to start. Then come back here and ask this.
I have. I did before I dropped some BTC on ZenCloud. It's a lot of accusations. And a lot of bad business practices.
If you actually researched GAW by reading this thread and then still decided to invest with them you have obviously
January 10, 2015, 04:32:38 PM
The crypto itself is an illegal construct.
A lot more proof within this OP. You just need to look. http://cointelegraph.com/news/113258/appcoins-crypto-crowdfunding-and-the-potential-sec-regulation-pitfall
A lot more proof within this OP. You just need to look. http://cointelegraph.com/news/113258/appcoins-crypto-crowdfunding-and-the-potential-sec-regulation-pitfall
This falls into the maybe/almost/possible illegal part. I'm wondering if there is something concrete in detail. I'm all for warning people and whatnot. It needs to be done and especially when something is trying to go mainstream and entice people that have no idea about cryptocurrency.
I think people are missing the point of my post. I'm just looking for facts and then some maybe/almost/possible facts.
January 10, 2015, 04:32:06 PM
We have a sell off.
Can I get an amen?
I said can I get an amen???
Can I get an amen?
I said can I get an amen???
January 10, 2015, 04:29:36 PM
What has GAW done that is actually illegal? With proof. Legit question. I understand the shady business accusations, but I'm curious if anyone has anything that they can say was an actual illegal business practice.
Now, what has GAW done that is illegal, but can't quite prove it. All the facts add up, but there might be one missing piece.
And if you want, what bad business did GAW do, that's not illegal, but just bad business? Don't mention the $20 "guarantee" cause that's a given.
I'm actually interested in this. From what I've followed, the physical miner sales were fine. Yeah, GAW tried to convert the customers to Cloud Mining, but from what I've followed, they did refund those that wanted refunds on unfulfilled physical miner orders. The Cloud Mining part of GAW did well for some people, like me. I turned a profit. Not the "$20" profit like I thought, but profit no less.
By the way, sometimes the anti-GAW people start to get as crazy as the pro-GAW people.
Now, what has GAW done that is illegal, but can't quite prove it. All the facts add up, but there might be one missing piece.
And if you want, what bad business did GAW do, that's not illegal, but just bad business? Don't mention the $20 "guarantee" cause that's a given.
I'm actually interested in this. From what I've followed, the physical miner sales were fine. Yeah, GAW tried to convert the customers to Cloud Mining, but from what I've followed, they did refund those that wanted refunds on unfulfilled physical miner orders. The Cloud Mining part of GAW did well for some people, like me. I turned a profit. Not the "$20" profit like I thought, but profit no less.
By the way, sometimes the anti-GAW people start to get as crazy as the pro-GAW people.
You didn't profit from your cloud mining, you profited from handing your bag of shit to someone else. If GAW wasn't actually mining it was fraud. The "never obsolete" hashlets could be fraud. There are probably numerous securities violations throughout this whole mess. It has fraud/ponzi scheme written all over it.
January 10, 2015, 04:27:36 PM
Wow, this question has a massive scope. Please read this thread. We go over it many many times. At least read the first three pages (and links) to start. Then come back here and ask this.
I have. I did before I dropped some BTC on ZenCloud. It's a lot of accusations. And a lot of bad business practices.
January 10, 2015, 04:26:01 PM
best one from @cyberlizard yet.
Good, I 2nd the action @PCfan took and I'll go on record here that we'll be starting to enforce the community guidelines and our referral/affiliate policy on those topics moving forward.
The policy is straight forward.
HashTalk will not allow, entice, support or stand by watching any ponzi, scam or pyramid scheme being spread using this forum for the simple fact that people will get burned. Those of you who have referral links of those sites in their signature should think about their morals (if they have any).
It's one thing if someone knowingly puts their own money into a ponzi or pyramid scheme but it's something very different to promote such a site and refer others. All you're really doing with your referrals is hedging your own risk of getting burned and you know it.
“All warfare is based on deception” ~Sun Tzu
What the hell is paybase its a ponzi
Good, I 2nd the action @PCfan took and I'll go on record here that we'll be starting to enforce the community guidelines and our referral/affiliate policy on those topics moving forward.
The policy is straight forward.
HashTalk will not allow, entice, support or stand by watching any ponzi, scam or pyramid scheme being spread using this forum for the simple fact that people will get burned. Those of you who have referral links of those sites in their signature should think about their morals (if they have any).
It's one thing if someone knowingly puts their own money into a ponzi or pyramid scheme but it's something very different to promote such a site and refer others. All you're really doing with your referrals is hedging your own risk of getting burned and you know it.
“All warfare is based on deception” ~Sun Tzu
What the hell is paybase its a ponzi
These new ponzis are competing with Gaw for their "investors" limited bank account funds. They don't like competition...
January 10, 2015, 04:23:40 PM
What has GAW done that is actually illegal? With proof. Legit question. I understand the shady business accusations, but I'm curious if anyone has anything that they can say was an actual illegal business practice.
Now, what has GAW done that is illegal, but can't quite prove it. All the facts add up, but there might be one missing piece.
And if you want, what bad business did GAW do, that's not illegal, but just bad business? Don't mention the $20 "guarantee" cause that's a given.
I'm actually interested in this. From what I've followed, the physical miner sales were fine. Yeah, GAW tried to convert the customers to Cloud Mining, but from what I've followed, they did refund those that wanted refunds on unfulfilled physical miner orders. The Cloud Mining part of GAW did well for some people, like me. I turned a profit. Not the "$20" profit like I thought, but profit no less.
By the way, sometimes the anti-GAW people start to get as crazy as the pro-GAW people.
Now, what has GAW done that is illegal, but can't quite prove it. All the facts add up, but there might be one missing piece.
And if you want, what bad business did GAW do, that's not illegal, but just bad business? Don't mention the $20 "guarantee" cause that's a given.
I'm actually interested in this. From what I've followed, the physical miner sales were fine. Yeah, GAW tried to convert the customers to Cloud Mining, but from what I've followed, they did refund those that wanted refunds on unfulfilled physical miner orders. The Cloud Mining part of GAW did well for some people, like me. I turned a profit. Not the "$20" profit like I thought, but profit no less.
By the way, sometimes the anti-GAW people start to get as crazy as the pro-GAW people.
The crypto itself is an illegal construct.
A lot more proof within this OP. You just need to look. http://cointelegraph.com/news/113258/appcoins-crypto-crowdfunding-and-the-potential-sec-regulation-pitfall
January 10, 2015, 04:22:38 PM
What has GAW done that is actually illegal? With proof. Legit question. I understand the shady business accusations, but I'm curious if anyone has anything that they can say was an actual illegal business practice.
Now, what has GAW done that is illegal, but can't quite prove it. All the facts add up, but there might be one missing piece.
And if you want, what bad business did GAW do, that's not illegal, but just bad business? Don't mention the $20 "guarantee" cause that's a given.
I'm actually interested in this. From what I've followed, the physical miner sales were fine. Yeah, GAW tried to convert the customers to Cloud Mining, but from what I've followed, they did refund those that wanted refunds on unfulfilled physical miner orders. The Cloud Mining part of GAW did well for some people, like me. I turned a profit. Not the "$20" profit like I thought, but profit no less.
By the way, sometimes the anti-GAW people start to get as crazy as the pro-GAW people.
Now, what has GAW done that is illegal, but can't quite prove it. All the facts add up, but there might be one missing piece.
And if you want, what bad business did GAW do, that's not illegal, but just bad business? Don't mention the $20 "guarantee" cause that's a given.
I'm actually interested in this. From what I've followed, the physical miner sales were fine. Yeah, GAW tried to convert the customers to Cloud Mining, but from what I've followed, they did refund those that wanted refunds on unfulfilled physical miner orders. The Cloud Mining part of GAW did well for some people, like me. I turned a profit. Not the "$20" profit like I thought, but profit no less.
By the way, sometimes the anti-GAW people start to get as crazy as the pro-GAW people.
Wow, this question has a massive scope. Please read this thread. We go over it many many times. At least read the first three pages (and links) to start. Then come back here and ask this.
January 10, 2015, 04:19:20 PM
He enticed people to buy into the paybase/paycoin set up with a guarantee of $20 per coin then renaged on it.Thats illegal not bad business
January 10, 2015, 04:17:15 PM
January 10, 2015, 04:15:17 PM
What has GAW done that is actually illegal? With proof. Legit question. I understand the shady business accusations, but I'm curious if anyone has anything that they can say was an actual illegal business practice.
Now, what has GAW done that is illegal, but can't quite prove it. All the facts add up, but there might be one missing piece.
And if you want, what bad business did GAW do, that's not illegal, but just bad business? Don't mention the $20 "guarantee" cause that's a given.
I'm actually interested in this. From what I've followed, the physical miner sales were fine. Yeah, GAW tried to convert the customers to Cloud Mining, but from what I've followed, they did refund those that wanted refunds on unfulfilled physical miner orders. The Cloud Mining part of GAW did well for some people, like me. I turned a profit. Not the "$20" profit like I thought, but profit no less.
By the way, sometimes the anti-GAW people start to get as crazy as the pro-GAW people.
Now, what has GAW done that is illegal, but can't quite prove it. All the facts add up, but there might be one missing piece.
And if you want, what bad business did GAW do, that's not illegal, but just bad business? Don't mention the $20 "guarantee" cause that's a given.
I'm actually interested in this. From what I've followed, the physical miner sales were fine. Yeah, GAW tried to convert the customers to Cloud Mining, but from what I've followed, they did refund those that wanted refunds on unfulfilled physical miner orders. The Cloud Mining part of GAW did well for some people, like me. I turned a profit. Not the "$20" profit like I thought, but profit no less.
By the way, sometimes the anti-GAW people start to get as crazy as the pro-GAW people.
January 10, 2015, 04:08:29 PM
Just remember, as soon as he is on Florida soil, he can be taken in to custody and/or indicted. Florida has some of the country's most cut-and-dry antitrust laws on the books. I would encourage people to contact the FL state AG and enquire about their invite to the "conference party".
Office of Attorney General
State of Florida
The Capitol PL-01
Tallahassee, FL 32399-1050
Complaint link: http://myfloridalegal.com/pages.nsf/Main/E3EB45228E9229DD85257B05006E32EC
Fraud Hotline 1-866-966-7226
Please be respectful and stick to the facts.
Scott-
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Below, is just a sample of what could be applied to Garza's M.O.
Office of Attorney General
State of Florida
The Capitol PL-01
Tallahassee, FL 32399-1050
Complaint link: http://myfloridalegal.com/pages.nsf/Main/E3EB45228E9229DD85257B05006E32EC
Fraud Hotline 1-866-966-7226
Please be respectful and stick to the facts.
Scott-
=======
Below, is just a sample of what could be applied to Garza's M.O.
not saying there was wrong doing, but this was funny, i think it takes more than a phone call or email to have someone brought in on charges. investigations take a long time, there is no double-jeopardy, so when they try and convict you--charges tend to stick.
Please review my and others' post history. This rodeo didn't just start. Many state/federal agencies have already been made aware of the situation. With that said, I am reminding people to make the call and/or file their complaint prior to the event in Florida to keep the fire lit if they already haven't done so. Make no mistake, if the AG has all their ducks in a row, having Garza "within the state" at the time of enforcement would be an opportunity I am sure the AG would prefer. By the way, double-jeopardy only applies if he has been indicted, put before a judge/jury and found not-guilty for a specific crime, which has not yet happened here. Likewise, that doesn't save him from federal prosecution or additional/different charges at the state level.
Scott-
January 10, 2015, 04:05:25 PM
best one from @cyberlizard yet.
Good, I 2nd the action @PCfan took and I'll go on record here that we'll be starting to enforce the community guidelines and our referral/affiliate policy on those topics moving forward.
The policy is straight forward.
HashTalk will not allow, entice, support or stand by watching any ponzi, scam or pyramid scheme being spread using this forum for the simple fact that people will get burned. Those of you who have referral links of those sites in their signature should think about their morals (if they have any).
It's one thing if someone knowingly puts their own money into a ponzi or pyramid scheme but it's something very different to promote such a site and refer others. All you're really doing with your referrals is hedging your own risk of getting burned and you know it.
“All warfare is based on deception” ~Sun Tzu
What the hell is paybase its a ponzi
Good, I 2nd the action @PCfan took and I'll go on record here that we'll be starting to enforce the community guidelines and our referral/affiliate policy on those topics moving forward.
The policy is straight forward.
HashTalk will not allow, entice, support or stand by watching any ponzi, scam or pyramid scheme being spread using this forum for the simple fact that people will get burned. Those of you who have referral links of those sites in their signature should think about their morals (if they have any).
It's one thing if someone knowingly puts their own money into a ponzi or pyramid scheme but it's something very different to promote such a site and refer others. All you're really doing with your referrals is hedging your own risk of getting burned and you know it.
“All warfare is based on deception” ~Sun Tzu
What the hell is paybase its a ponzi
January 10, 2015, 03:53:25 PM
Can someone explain the homero thing? I have read a lot of this thread but at 750+ pages I may have missed some of it. Why are people referring to Josh as homero?
Because"Homero" is his real given first name by his parents. Joshua is his middle name. So he is really Homero Garza.
Ok, maybe it's just a coincidence due to his real first name, but if you do a google image search on "homero josh garza"... after you get past all the funny memes and ferraris etc, it's a bunch of mugshots...
January 10, 2015, 03:30:54 PM
Can someone explain the homero thing? I have read a lot of this thread but at 750+ pages I may have missed some of it. Why are people referring to Josh as homero?
Because"Homero" is his real given first name by his parents. Joshua is his middle name. So he is really Homero Garza.
January 10, 2015, 03:30:34 PM
Paul Revere, a lot of your posts are funny--but come'on mayne--why you gotta call us chumps ?
But it works, doesn't it? Even lizard couldn't resist.
I'm going to need you to delete this post sir.
Gaw.com - Genuses At Wrok
Gaw.com - Genuses At Wrok
Can you fix you're singature. My eyes are hurting. I read it as "penises" the first time.
Can someone explain the homero thing? I have read a lot of this thread but at 750+ pages I may have missed some of it. Why are people referring to Josh as homero?
http://patents.justia.com/inventor/homero-joshua-garza
January 10, 2015, 03:29:51 PM
Just remember, as soon as he is on Florida soil, he can be taken in to custody and/or indicted. Florida has some of the country's most cut-and-dry antitrust laws on the books. I would encourage people to contact the FL state AG and enquire about their invite to the "conference party".
Office of Attorney General
State of Florida
The Capitol PL-01
Tallahassee, FL 32399-1050
Complaint link: http://myfloridalegal.com/pages.nsf/Main/E3EB45228E9229DD85257B05006E32EC
Fraud Hotline 1-866-966-7226
Please be respectful and stick to the facts.
Scott-
=======
Below, is just a sample of what could be applied to Garza's M.O.
I'm going to need you to delete this post sir.Office of Attorney General
State of Florida
The Capitol PL-01
Tallahassee, FL 32399-1050
Complaint link: http://myfloridalegal.com/pages.nsf/Main/E3EB45228E9229DD85257B05006E32EC
Fraud Hotline 1-866-966-7226
Please be respectful and stick to the facts.
Scott-
=======
Below, is just a sample of what could be applied to Garza's M.O.
January 10, 2015, 03:28:27 PM
Can someone explain the homero thing? I have read a lot of this thread but at 750+ pages I may have missed some of it. Why are people referring to Josh as homero?
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