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Quote from: CoinFire on December 18, 2014, 11:44:41 AM

Quote from: puwaha on December 18, 2014, 11:26:05 AM

Quote from: WaffleMaster on December 18, 2014, 10:50:03 AM

Ok, so say I make something that violates the terms of service of amazon and sell it to thousands of people. The people using it get in trouble but I get off free as a bird?

It goes back to the age old argument: Do guns kill people, or do people who use guns kill people?

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That's not how it works my friends Wink

and regardless of how you read the ToS they're actually interfering with the transactions of the website, not just doing a Google search. LOL how delusional are these shills? Ignored, but feel free to post your useless rebuttal for other people to read. I have no need for futile bickering. I have all the photographic proof I need. Have a good day shills (or should I say Homero Joshua Garza's secondary accounts).

That is how it works. When *YOU* accept the TOS from Walmart, *YOU* are entering a legal contract with Walmart that *YOU* will obey their terms. GAW did not enter that contract.

We had the same concerns. After speaking to lawyers at Amazon extensively they've explained it in a way that makes sense to us at least.

The source code for the plugin has to communicate with an outside GAW owned server... meaning that even though the plugin is hosted on the computer of the end-user that GAW is now also "accessing the site" and that makes them liable to follow the TOS just as everyone else does.

The source code from the plugin ZincSave was already downloaded and audited by Amazon (back when it first was a thing before it went offline) and a third party so they are intimately familiar with how it works and the API calls it makes online.

We hope to have our full report online soon. We just got confirmation from Best Buy this morning regarding the situation and a comment from them and are still waiting to hear back from Target once again.

Thank you. What you're doing is truly great and will save a lot of people who were maybe on the fence about the whole thing. I knew they were violating all of the retailer's ToS. You put it in a very nice and readable manner! Just thank you again for your work. While I don't think the retailers will sue GAW, they will definitely shut them down from using their name and violating their service.

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coinfire can you please get gaw staff and bizz addresses id like to know were these scammers sleep at nyt and leak the information when the scam collapses

Lol relax there big thuggin'

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Quote from: puwaha on December 18, 2014, 11:41:53 AM

Quote from: Phildo on December 18, 2014, 11:31:40 AM

If paycoins are worth 20, why don't they scoop up all these 7 dollar coins to put 13 bucks in their pocket?

Why would they reward dumpers? Wouldn't they rather reward their faithful paybase users with the wall?

I don't think you understood the question.

There are coins out there that are supposedly valued at $20 each, selling in an exchange for $7. If you believe the $20 hype, then these wild coins are extremely undervalued.

If GAW buys the cheap coins and takes them out of circulation, they have just saved themselves $13 they have to pay out to someone who cashes that coin in on their $20 wall. That seems like common sense.

What gets me is that all these GAWites want to buy these cheap coins so they can turn them around for $20 later. They are not doing it to protect Paycoin, they are doing it to cash in... just like everybody else... They are all hypocrites, claiming to protect Paycoin so they can exploit it later. So who is doing more damage now, eh?

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How is giving someone 7 for something's ng worth 20 rewarding anyone but themselves? Every time they do that they put 13 dollars into their pocket or back into the wall to reward the faithful paybase users.

Freshly minted coins would be the simplest way to prove they aren't full of it?

Where is the hashpoint block chain? You can't really think hashpoints are anything more than n mbers? Why can't the real miners mine real coins?

I'm fine being a paranoid investor with all m money, good luck with your faith

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Quote from: jfabritz on December 18, 2014, 11:43:57 AM

Quote from: pd62512005 on December 18, 2014, 10:54:27 AM

you know the american revolution ended, oh I dont know. maybe a couple hundred years ago? talk about intelligent

im paul revere lmao... get a job. your dragging my economy down

"the marks" good gravy man you should go work for the free masons as a lawyer. fantastical returns? perhaps you could pull your bottom lip over the top of your head and swallow?

just so were clear there is nothing being "discussed" on this thread.

Hey, I think someone hacked your account. You were doing your best to be civil while disagreeing with people here, then all of a sudden you launch once of those childish attacks. You better change your password!

yeah huh?

isnt sarcasm supposed to be funny?

Im lucky i can adapt my response to the level of the OP

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The one thing that bothers me most is the Prime Controller thing. The CEO claims that the investors had to have their Prime Controllers operational before they could take receipt of their PayCoins. The problem is that I see nothing in the wallet code that references anything resembling a Prime Controller. In theory, the wallet only handles the compressed blockchain. That's not happening. In theory, the Prime Controllers have the ability to make instant confirmations, which means the wallet would have to check with them before reconciling the blockchain. (Alternatively, the miners could make the check when building the block, but that's not happening, either.)

He claims Prime Controllers are operational, but they are completely unused, so what are they?

I bought it when he said the coin's just starting out, and that the advanced features would come in future revisions. But if Prime Controllers exist right now, then at least two of the advanced features would have to be in place, and they aren't.

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Quote from: puwaha on December 18, 2014, 11:46:39 AM

Quote from: WaffleMaster on December 18, 2014, 11:40:31 AM

Quote from: jackbox on December 18, 2014, 11:28:31 AM

Quote from: puwaha on December 18, 2014, 11:26:05 AM

Quote from: WaffleMaster on December 18, 2014, 10:50:03 AM

Ok, so say I make something that violates the terms of service of amazon and sell it to thousands of people. The people using it get in trouble but I get off free as a bird?

It goes back to the age old argument: Do guns kill people, or do people who use guns kill people?

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That's not how it works my friends Wink

and regardless of how you read the ToS they're actually interfering with the transactions of the website, not just doing a Google search. LOL how delusional are these shills? Ignored, but feel free to post your useless rebuttal for other people to read. I have no need for futile bickering. I have all the photographic proof I need. Have a good day shills (or should I say Homero Joshua Garza's secondary accounts).

That is how it works. When *YOU* accept the TOS from Walmart, *YOU* are entering a legal contract with Walmart that *YOU* will obey their terms. GAW did not enter that contract.

Wrong. GAW will have entered into that contract because they are the entity making the purchase on the Walmart or other website on their account and then having the item dropshipped to the buyer. It is a lame scheme.

Exactly. GAW is using the program to transfer Paycoins to USD on PayBase or PaySave, whatever they're trying to call it now, to buy off amazon. THEY are the ones making the purchase, not the customer. Did you really think amazon directly accepts Paycoins? These shills are so intellectually challenged I'm actually a little bit amazed they're on the internet right now. Cheesy

Homero is that you?

So how exactly have GAW violated Walmart's terms (if the above is how the plugin works) by paying them money to purchase a product?

The third party people who they are using to purchase items will be in violation. We just got off the phone with a whistleblower who explained to us exactly how it works.

They can't just have a few Amazon / Walmart accounts ordering tons of stuff and shipping it to other addresses. They needs lots of people and they came up with a pretty ingenious way to do that.

Now that it has been explained by this person it makes sense. We are in the process of vetting this person but initial checks are looking good.

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Quote from: WaffleMaster on December 18, 2014, 11:40:31 AM

Quote from: jackbox on December 18, 2014, 11:28:31 AM

Quote from: puwaha on December 18, 2014, 11:26:05 AM

Quote from: WaffleMaster on December 18, 2014, 10:50:03 AM

Ok, so say I make something that violates the terms of service of amazon and sell it to thousands of people. The people using it get in trouble but I get off free as a bird?

It goes back to the age old argument: Do guns kill people, or do people who use guns kill people?

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That's not how it works my friends Wink

and regardless of how you read the ToS they're actually interfering with the transactions of the website, not just doing a Google search. LOL how delusional are these shills? Ignored, but feel free to post your useless rebuttal for other people to read. I have no need for futile bickering. I have all the photographic proof I need. Have a good day shills (or should I say Homero Joshua Garza's secondary accounts).

That is how it works. When *YOU* accept the TOS from Walmart, *YOU* are entering a legal contract with Walmart that *YOU* will obey their terms. GAW did not enter that contract.

Wrong. GAW will have entered into that contract because they are the entity making the purchase on the Walmart or other website on their account and then having the item dropshipped to the buyer. It is a lame scheme.

Exactly. GAW is using the program to transfer Paycoins to USD on PayBase or PaySave, whatever they're trying to call it now, to buy off amazon. THEY are the ones making the purchase, not the customer. Did you really think amazon directly accepts Paycoins? These shills are so intellectually challenged I'm actually a little bit amazed they're on the internet right now. Cheesy

Homero is that you?

So how exactly have GAW violated Walmart's terms (if the above is how the plugin works) by paying them money to purchase a product?

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Quote from: puwaha on December 18, 2014, 11:26:05 AM

Quote from: WaffleMaster on December 18, 2014, 10:50:03 AM

Ok, so say I make something that violates the terms of service of amazon and sell it to thousands of people. The people using it get in trouble but I get off free as a bird?

It goes back to the age old argument: Do guns kill people, or do people who use guns kill people?

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That's not how it works my friends Wink

and regardless of how you read the ToS they're actually interfering with the transactions of the website, not just doing a Google search. LOL how delusional are these shills? Ignored, but feel free to post your useless rebuttal for other people to read. I have no need for futile bickering. I have all the photographic proof I need. Have a good day shills (or should I say Homero Joshua Garza's secondary accounts).

That is how it works. When *YOU* accept the TOS from Walmart, *YOU* are entering a legal contract with Walmart that *YOU* will obey their terms. GAW did not enter that contract.

We had the same concerns. After speaking to lawyers at Amazon extensively they've explained it in a way that makes sense to us at least.

The source code for the plugin has to communicate with an outside GAW owned server... meaning that even though the plugin is hosted on the computer of the end-user that GAW is now also "accessing the site" and that makes them liable to follow the TOS just as everyone else does.

The source code from the plugin ZincSave was already downloaded and audited by Amazon (back when it first was a thing before it went offline) and a third party so they are intimately familiar with how it works and the API calls it makes online.

We hope to have our full report online soon. We just got confirmation from Best Buy this morning regarding the situation and a comment from them and are still waiting to hear back from Target once again.

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Quote from: pd62512005 on December 18, 2014, 10:54:27 AM

you know the american revolution ended, oh I dont know. maybe a couple hundred years ago? talk about intelligent

im paul revere lmao... get a job. your dragging my economy down

"the marks" good gravy man you should go work for the free masons as a lawyer. fantastical returns? perhaps you could pull your bottom lip over the top of your head and swallow?

just so were clear there is nothing being "discussed" on this thread.

Hey, I think someone hacked your account. You were doing your best to be civil while disagreeing with people here, then all of a sudden you launch once of those childish attacks. You better change your password!

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Quote from: Phildo on December 18, 2014, 11:31:40 AM

If paycoins are worth 20, why don't they scoop up all these 7 dollar coins to put 13 bucks in their pocket?

Why would they reward dumpers? Wouldn't they rather reward their faithful paybase users with the wall?

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Why didn't their pools payout freshly minted coins?

Why does this really matter?

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Why are they having so many issues with the paycoin pool if they have been running pools for months?

What issues? They had a hardfork... not the first time that's happened.

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Why did they quickly abondon their miners that could somehow mine on 2 pools at once?

Who the customers or GAW? No one forced a customer to convert their primes.

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Why is there no option for their sha miners to mine paycoins?

They are called hashpoints.

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Why do they miss every deadline?

Bit of an exageration here.

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One of those questions would scare me to death as an investor, all of them would make me run for the hills.

Paranoid investor, I suppose.

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Quote from: Paul Revere on December 18, 2014, 11:40:19 AM

The lack of understanding of things that should be common sense by those under the GAWspell is astounding.

Some say that our education system is a failure. I disagree. It all depends on what the goal really is. In my opinion those at the top of the power pyramid are doing everything that they can to make those at the lower levels into absolute imbeciles who can not comprehend what is going on. When you look at it that way the education system is a resounding success and the idiocy being being demonstrated by the easily duped into giving their money to a Flim-Flam man in this thread are a microcosm of the world at large.

Dang, that was some deep knowledge right there.

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Quote from: jackbox on December 18, 2014, 11:28:31 AM

Quote from: puwaha on December 18, 2014, 11:26:05 AM

Quote from: WaffleMaster on December 18, 2014, 10:50:03 AM

Ok, so say I make something that violates the terms of service of amazon and sell it to thousands of people. The people using it get in trouble but I get off free as a bird?

It goes back to the age old argument: Do guns kill people, or do people who use guns kill people?

Quote

That's not how it works my friends Wink

and regardless of how you read the ToS they're actually interfering with the transactions of the website, not just doing a Google search. LOL how delusional are these shills? Ignored, but feel free to post your useless rebuttal for other people to read. I have no need for futile bickering. I have all the photographic proof I need. Have a good day shills (or should I say Homero Joshua Garza's secondary accounts).

That is how it works. When *YOU* accept the TOS from Walmart, *YOU* are entering a legal contract with Walmart that *YOU* will obey their terms. GAW did not enter that contract.

Wrong. GAW will have entered into that contract because they are the entity making the purchase on the Walmart or other website on their account and then having the item dropshipped to the buyer. It is a lame scheme.

Exactly. GAW is using the program to transfer Paycoins to USD on PayBase or PaySave, whatever they're trying to call it now, to buy off amazon. THEY are the ones making the purchase, not the customer. Did you really think amazon directly accepts Paycoins? These shills are so intellectually challenged I'm actually a little bit amazed they're on the internet right now. Cheesy

Homero is that you?

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The Scamcoats are coming!

The lack of understanding of things that should be common sense by those under the GAWspell is astounding.

Some say that our education system is a failure. I disagree. It all depends on what the goal really is. In my opinion those at the top of the power pyramid are doing everything that they can to make those at the lower levels into absolute imbeciles who can not comprehend what is going on. When you look at it that way the education system is a resounding success and the idiocy being being demonstrated by those easily duped into giving their money to a Flim-Flam man in this thread are a microcosm of the world at large.

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Quote from: jackbox on December 18, 2014, 11:28:31 AM

Quote from: puwaha on December 18, 2014, 11:26:05 AM

That is how it works. When *YOU* accept the TOS from Walmart, *YOU* are entering a legal contract with Walmart that *YOU* will obey their terms. GAW did not enter that contract.

Wrong. GAW will have entered into that contract because they are the entity making the purchase on the Walmart or other website on their account and then having the item dropshipped to the buyer. It is a lame scheme.

We'll have to wait and see how it works, I guess.

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Quote from: Paul Revere on December 18, 2014, 10:21:07 AM

The proofs required for determining XPY is a scam are called Math, History, and Common Sense.

If you have none of the aforementioned skills then you will likely not come to the same conclusion that those who do have already done.

Please share what Math, History and Common Sense you are using.

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Quote from: jackbox on December 18, 2014, 11:28:31 AM

Quote from: puwaha on December 18, 2014, 11:26:05 AM

Quote from: WaffleMaster on December 18, 2014, 10:50:03 AM

Ok, so say I make something that violates the terms of service of amazon and sell it to thousands of people. The people using it get in trouble but I get off free as a bird?

It goes back to the age old argument: Do guns kill people, or do people who use guns kill people?

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That's not how it works my friends Wink

and regardless of how you read the ToS they're actually interfering with the transactions of the website, not just doing a Google search. LOL how delusional are these shills? Ignored, but feel free to post your useless rebuttal for other people to read. I have no need for futile bickering. I have all the photographic proof I need. Have a good day shills (or should I say Homero Joshua Garza's secondary accounts).

That is how it works. When *YOU* accept the TOS from Walmart, *YOU* are entering a legal contract with Walmart that *YOU* will obey their terms. GAW did not enter that contract.

Wrong. GAW will have entered into that contract because they are the entity making the purchase on the Walmart or other website on their account and then having the item dropshipped to the buyer. It is a lame scheme.

you do understand this is the same way paypal has been operating since early 2000's?

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The "proof" isn't going to show up until your money is completely and totally gone, until then look at the evidence and make your own decision.

If paycoins are worth 20, why don't they scoop up all these 7 dollar coins to put 13 bucks in their pocket?

Why didn't their pools payout freshly minted coins?

Why are they having so many issues with the paycoin pool if they have been running pools for months?

Why did they quickly abondon their miners that could somehow mine on 2 pools at once?

Why is there no option for their sha miners to mine paycoins?

Why do they miss every deadline?

One of those questions would scare me to death as an investor, all of them would make me run for the hills.

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Quote from: puwaha on December 18, 2014, 11:26:05 AM

Quote from: WaffleMaster on December 18, 2014, 10:50:03 AM

Ok, so say I make something that violates the terms of service of amazon and sell it to thousands of people. The people using it get in trouble but I get off free as a bird?

It goes back to the age old argument: Do guns kill people, or do people who use guns kill people?

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That's not how it works my friends Wink

and regardless of how you read the ToS they're actually interfering with the transactions of the website, not just doing a Google search. LOL how delusional are these shills? Ignored, but feel free to post your useless rebuttal for other people to read. I have no need for futile bickering. I have all the photographic proof I need. Have a good day shills (or should I say Homero Joshua Garza's secondary accounts).

That is how it works. When *YOU* accept the TOS from Walmart, *YOU* are entering a legal contract with Walmart that *YOU* will obey their terms. GAW did not enter that contract.

Wrong. GAW will have entered into that contract because they are the entity making the purchase on the Walmart or other website on their account and then having the item dropshipped to the buyer. It is a lame scheme.

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So he's selling Proof-of-Stake staking as a 'cloud' service? WTF?

Why would anybody choose to centralise their wallet on his 'cloud' service when you can easily download a PoS wallet and just have it running on a regular PC and staking as it should?

That's the whole point of PoS coins, to eliminate the need for constant PoW mining. It makes no sense to run a PoS wallet on someone else's server, unless you were trying to convince people you were selling them something they were quite ill-informed about and didn't realise the absurd nature of what was being shilled to them.

the ones gaw are selling are shares in the prime controller, so you get a much higher rate then staking in your wallet as well as daily returns.

This is known as a Pyramid Scheme. Exactly like Amway or any of the other scams where those who buy in early get a seat closer to the top of the pyramid and leach off of all of the poor suckers who are conned into buying in later. These "winners" (Prime Controllers) are held up as examples of how much one can earn to con others into buying in at the bottom and will never actually have the opportunity to reach that status. When suckers stop buying in at the bottom, the pyramid collapses.

How is it a ponzi scam? thy have x numbers of prime controllers. They set aside y amount of hashtakers for their customers, people pay them some money to get a share of a higher value object. They then get paid for the shares(stakers) they have in the controller. This helps gaw by locking up a shit load of coins creating artifical scarcity.

Im not a huge supporter of gaw, got fucked over hard twice with them but with all the shit that has been flung at them the SEC and others would have shut them the fuck down by now surely?

@homero_ilikebbcinass you lose all credibility when you make abrand new account, name it that then just sit spitting out bile. Do it on your main account

This is typical. Someone that does not even know the difference between a Ponzi scheme and a Pyramid scheme defending this Pyramid scheme.

I will try to explain this to you:

A Ponzi scheme takes in money from"investors" (aka Marks, Dupes, Rubes, etc) with the promise of an outstanding return on their principle from some mysterious high return investment paid out in increments. All investors are paid the same rate of return. The catch is that there isn;t any investment at all, and the returns are paid out from the "investors" principle. The "investors" then proclaim wildly about this incredible deal and convince others to join in, and also invest everything they can as well. At some point when not enough "investors" are buying in the remaining pile of cash is stolen and the operation is shut down.

A Pyramid scheme is where "investors (aka Marks) who enter into the scheme early are given returns based on a percentage of the profit taken from those who enter later. Those who enter later are convinced (conned) into believing that they too will be able to see the returns that those at the top of the Pyramid are getting and so buy in. All that is required for this to work is an endless and ever increasing supply of "investors" buying in at the bottom. This is how Amway works. This is also how the intentionally vaguely described Paycoin system is designed to work. The "Prime Controllers" are towards the top of the pyramid (Guess who is sitting on top of this pyramid), and if there are no people buying in at lower levels their fantastical return will not materialize.

Perhaps now you can make a more intelligent post given that you now have a basic idea of what is actually being discussed....

you know the american revolution ended, oh I dont know. maybe a couple hundred years ago? talk about intelligent

im paul revere lmao... get a job. your dragging my economy down

"the marks" good gravy man you should go work for the free masons as a lawyer. fantastical returns? perhaps you could pull your bottom lip over the top of your head and swallow?

just so were clear there is nothing being "discussed" on this thread.

just so were clear you aint welcome here buds nor do we have to tolerate your crap and i beg to differ were having a discussion on why people should avoid gaw ps i have a few gamer clans im apart of if we need we can use there forums that will allow us to discuss gaw the same way u guys keep us out pretty soon you shrills wont be given the right to shrill us anymore if u keep speaking bullshit

i dont care if you like me dummy. go complain to your teenie bopper gamer forums and shut up. bullshit? you all should be sued for defamation. you think a discussion entails shit like "i made a coin to make fu of paycoin"? or the good ones in the history. ive asked at least 5 times where any proof is? and everyone keeps saying "i got digital this that or the other" computer forensics 101 digital evidence is easily tampered with or outright forged. get a real, non-digital, throw away camera and make your claims to the authorities. then post the proof. until then your just another lying dummy on some stupid forum being surrounded by yes-men

u sound mad bro good idc this atm is our thread no one has sympathy for you here
yes men? u mean were united if we sound extreme i guess gaw must be rl bad why the hate otherwise

United intelligence. There's plenty of users here that feel the same way as he does. You should use sentence structure when posting it will help your case

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Quote from: WaffleMaster on December 18, 2014, 10:50:03 AM

Ok, so say I make something that violates the terms of service of amazon and sell it to thousands of people. The people using it get in trouble but I get off free as a bird?

It goes back to the age old argument: Do guns kill people, or do people who use guns kill people?

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That's not how it works my friends Wink

and regardless of how you read the ToS they're actually interfering with the transactions of the website, not just doing a Google search. LOL how delusional are these shills? Ignored, but feel free to post your useless rebuttal for other people to read. I have no need for futile bickering. I have all the photographic proof I need. Have a good day shills (or should I say Homero Joshua Garza's secondary accounts).

That is how it works. When *YOU* accept the TOS from Walmart, *YOU* are entering a legal contract with Walmart that *YOU* will obey their terms. GAW did not enter that contract.

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