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Topic: GAW / Josh Garza discussion Paycoin XPY xpy.io ION ionomy. ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :) - page 2272. (Read 3377790 times)

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I'll keep a few Primes and my Genesis just in case this thing pans out, At the moment though it's risk management for me.
Would really like to see my 170k plus points turn into BTC but I am not counting on it.

I love how half the critics here are saying something similar to the above.  Why not totally divest if you think it's a ponzi?

I have no idea either way, but people here state valid concerns,


They do have concerns, but the validity is still yet to be determined though.  No company in the history of mankind has ever been able to satisfy every customer... let alone satisfy any determined detractor.


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I have already reached positive ROI so I'll let a little ride with GAW to see how it all pans out, I mainly have Genesis now as they are the only thing mining BTC, If I feel it's going full Ponzi I'll dump them on the market, I could already make profit doing that now as bottom line is 0.51 I bought at 0.45, but they are paying daily at the mo so I'll hold for a bit.

As far as the Primes there could be a price boost on the market, if so I'll dump my last few.

You've reached "break-even"... you mean.  ROI is different.  But, I digress.  If you have reached break-even, what concerns do you have?  It seems you have done well with your Zencloud experience.

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HI all

Was I mistaken  , but i saw than the hashstaker are back on sell but price seems to be 11,95 ?

I'm not sure but i think I saw 9.95 at first time they were sold ?
 

Yes, they increased the price. Don't buy it. If you really want it buy a Zen and convert it to a HashStaker (conversion planned for Wednesday).
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BLOOMFIELD, CT--(Marketwired - Dec 8, 2014) - GAW Miners, one of the world's foremost bitcoin mining hardware manufacturers and digital cloud mining providers, today announced the appointment of Jonah Dorman as general manager and vice president of the Company.

Having helped successfully launch PayCoin, the new crypto currency from GAW Miners, Jonah is already proving to be an integral team


http://www.marketwired.com/press-release/gaw-miners-appoints-jonah-dorman-as-general-manager-and-vice-president-1974883.htm
What bothers me is its always about GAW this, GAW that.... far to centralized and under one control. That's the biggest risk. BTC so is vast and anyone can choose how and where they want to mine and determine their own fate, not have it determined by one man and his fantasy. I feel this will be the downfall/pitfall of paycoin.
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Appears to be Halloween Teeth guy.

https://plus.google.com/107653905794077407506/posts

My concern is the claim to be a bitcoin mining hardware manufacturer and the claim that paycoin has launched. Regardless whether the teeth are real or not.

Suprisingly no mention of the most innovative product ever - the HashStaker. Their PR really needs to step up.
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Fools and their money ...

It occurred to me last week that something is not right about the valuation of Primes in the marketplace.  When private sales were allowed, the going rate was a discount off the "retail" (about 25-35/mhs).  So how is it possible that the market NEVER dips much below $48/mhs and typically stays pegged right around the "retail" $49/mhs price?  Sure there are brief times when lower prices are posted, but not often.  And, regardless of the hype, the price never blips up too much either.

Moreover, the $49/mhs price is just out of whack with any real mining.  Prices per mhs are now $3-10 for real mining hardware (scrypt).  The only justification for anything more would be a belief that Paycoin is going to be worth more than $20 - but even then, Zens make more sense than Primes as someone else has shown (can't recall the link, sorry) with a pretty detailed analysis.

Even stranger is the lack of volatility in Prime prices (up and down movement from day to day).  Even if there were lots of folks who "believed" in Paycoin, and despite all rational analysis were willing to pay a premium to own the Primes, Paycoin is a pre-release product and you would expect volatility.  Lets say that there are sophisticated Wall Street insiders who "know" primes are worth more than $50.  When the price runs down they would buy; BUT, being sophisticated investors, they would wait until the prices hit a floor before buying (creating rapid, large, up and down swings).  There is almost none of that.

So how is it that the Prime prices remains so darn stable and high, with almost none of the volatility you would expect to see from a pre-release product? 

My hypothesis that there are buyers (GAW or resellers most likely) who are propping up the Prime market, buying up quickly any hashlets posted for less than $49/mhs.  Much like GAW plans for Paycoin, where a floor will be established through buybacks.  Seems to me that could already be being done with Primes.

Buoyed by my new hypothesis, I decided to put my feet back in the water last week right before the Big Announcement about Primes.  I deposited 22 BTC back into GAW, and hit the "reverse sale and prepare for market button" which gave me back the approximately 350+ mhs in Primes that I had sold back to GAW early on.  Between Thursday night and Saturday morning, I was able to sell the Primes on the market for a total of about 40 BTC.  It took several withdrawals and 3 withdrawal holds over 3 days before I got all my BTC back out with profit. 

Maybe my hypothesis is just a salve for my conscience. I am sincerely hoping that I am right about my hypothesis (in which case I just took money from the folks trying to prop up prices); or that I am wrong about GAW (in which case I feel great having made 18 BTC in one day, and I will be thrilled to see buyers of my Primes make even more money).  Otherwise, there will be some sad folks holding my former Primes when the house falls down.   

YMMV but if you have a revert button on your account, something to consider.
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HI all

Was I mistaken  , but i saw than the hashstaker are back on sell but price seems to be 11,95 ?

I'm not sure but i think I saw 9.95 at first time they were sold ?
 
legendary
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Appears to be Halloween Teeth guy.

https://plus.google.com/107653905794077407506/posts

My concern is the claim to be a bitcoin mining hardware manufacturer and the claim that paycoin has launched. Regardless whether the teeth are real or not.
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BLOOMFIELD, CT--(Marketwired - Dec 8, 2014) - GAW Miners, one of the world's foremost bitcoin mining hardware manufacturers and digital cloud mining providers, today announced the appointment of Jonah Dorman as general manager and vice president of the Company.

Having helped successfully launch PayCoin, the new crypto currency from GAW Miners, Jonah is already proving to be an integral team


http://www.marketwired.com/press-release/gaw-miners-appoints-jonah-dorman-as-general-manager-and-vice-president-1974883.htm

He's been posting as @GAW_GM on HT for a while, I'm surprised they only announced it now.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/miaviator-57116

For what it's worth he seems to know what he's doing, I have great respect for him for LeaseRig even though I don't necessarily agree 100% with everything he does.

Not sure if that will be enough to make sense of GAW though.
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I have never met a beloved ceo like homero,

Oh, so you've met him personally, have you?  Prove it.

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BLOOMFIELD, CT--(Marketwired - Dec 8, 2014) - GAW Miners, one of the world's foremost bitcoin mining hardware manufacturers and digital cloud mining providers, today announced the appointment of Jonah Dorman as general manager and vice president of the Company.

Having helped successfully launch PayCoin, the new crypto currency from GAW Miners, Jonah is already proving to be an integral team


http://www.marketwired.com/press-release/gaw-miners-appoints-jonah-dorman-as-general-manager-and-vice-president-1974883.htm
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What really gets me is why do they only ever give half truths?

Because you will never be satisfied.  That's the way it is on internet forums.  If someone presents evidence, too many people try to weasel out of the demand, stating... "Well, it was only a half-truth... or he didn't fulfill all my requirements."
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I keep a bag of coal as well, in hopes of one day they will be diamonds... or I need to bbq.
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I'll keep a few Primes and my Genesis just in case this thing pans out, At the moment though it's risk management for me.
Would really like to see my 170k plus points turn into BTC but I am not counting on it.

I love how half the critics here are saying something similar to the above.  Why not totally divest if you think it's a ponzi?

I believe that if it was possible to sell hashpoints even at face value ($0.01) many would do just that. After mining coupons for two months there is not a lot of choice now. Forfeit everything or sit and wait.

I wasn't even referring to the hashpoints... it' more like these types of posts:

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I'll keep a few Primes and my Genesis just in case this thing pans out

Just in case...
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Well I can finally sleep at night now.  I have successfully sold everything I have with GAW and got my BTC out of there just in time before the second attempt of the "upgrade". 

Yeah life is so much better not having to worry about stupid rockets and boosts and other shit.

I agree and half the time the boost was delayed an hour daily.  Regards just glad I have my BTC and can see how it all pans out.  I still have all the points and if they can be traded for BTC that's what I will be doing right away.
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This guy try to get rid of all of the evidence of his criminal activity, there was no miner and with all that stacking shit He does not need any miners. Hope Scott find a way to put that guy where He belongs to
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Well I can finally sleep at night now.  I have successfully sold everything I have with GAW and got my BTC out of there just in time before the second attempt of the "upgrade". 

Yeah life is so much better not having to worry about stupid rockets and boosts and other shit.
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Well I can finally sleep at night now.  I have successfully sold everything I have with GAW and got my BTC out of there just in time before the second attempt of the "upgrade". 
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People start to ask questions in HT, selling all that shitty hashlets make me feel so light. Thank guys, this night will get a good sleep
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Fortunatelly Google cache has it.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:Kl64LtTOUnwJ:coinbrief.net/interview-gaw-garza-paycoin/+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

It is truly an amazing piece of revisionist history, incomprehensible babbling, and something that I can't even categorize.

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Obviously in the case where we use pools that we don’t control, because they are external, we have lower payouts.

What pools? Again this nonsense?

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With our platform, we cover that [maintenance] cost for that customer, and up until now we have been awarding that customer with our internal point system

Bullshit. "That customer", i.e. one who gets a satoshi doesn't have an option to mine your coupons. Only Zens and Primes do, not Multi/Waffle/Clever.

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There’s a saying: Keep counting on people to take a step back, look at something for what it is, and think about it for 30 seconds, just to see if what is being said even makes sense. How in the world would we possibly allege that we will be working with these companies, if at one point we are going to have to be working with them. How would that even work out? Why would a company…that doesn’t even make any sense. It is going to eventually need to happen. So, if it doesn’t happen, you would be in the same exact place.

Huh (this was supposed to be a part of the explanation regarding the CoinFire C&D - I don't get this at all)

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(response to Coinbrief asking to provide the same proof that WSJ blog got) Yeah, obviously that is something that we could look to do, but the Wallstreet Journal is a pretty serious publication.

... and some more backpedaling. Why?

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So if the question is, “On the 15th of December are we going to open it up, and anyone who wants…” No. No system launches that way. We have everything in beta right now, and we already have people testing it. Then we will open it up to an invite situation, to our existing customers over the next week or two, and they will have access to all of that. We will just keep expanding, expanding, expanding. We will let them give invites to their friends, and then, eventually, anyone who wants to do it can just go do it. That should be the beginning or middle of January.

This is about PayBase launch schedule. Apparently it's invite-based. Which is probably not what "PayCoin millionaires" expect.

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Oh, yeah, we have an entire company building that for us. I wouldn’t be able to speak to those details. That is not my area of expertise. We have a very, very reputable company building this for us. They have their act together, and know what they are doing.

That was in response to a question about PayCoin's block reward and algorithm. I thought the answers should have been "thermodynamic" and "SHA256"?

Then it got to Prime Controllers, I haven't read that part yet. It looks like he's mentioning DarkCoin a few times - I wonder if that's what they are cloning for their XPY.

Edit: here is something that's supposed to explain why there are 50 Prime Controllers:

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So, we set the number to what we did because, essentially, I did a calculation and discovered that, in a general sense, our company can put anywhere between $400,000 and $600,000 a day to crypto. Crypto usually increases in theoretical market value by $1.4 – 1.8 million per day. That is where I noticed that we were contributing around 1/3rd or more of the marketcap, so we know that we can sustain a coin. If anything, we believe we may have made the number a little bit too low. There may be a greater demand for it than we have created coins to be able to meet it, so I think that potentially could be an issue, because that obviously would push the price of the coin up, because our coin should grow at roughly around $1,000,000 a day at full strength. As in, when all things are staking at the maximum capability. I know, our company will immediately eat into half of that.

I don't even know what the hell that's supposed to mean. $1.4-1.8m might be the total number of all crypto coins mined per day (BTC alone is about $1.3m I think). Is he saying that GAW mines 1/3 of all coins? Or will mine/stake/whatever once PayCoin is released? He also says that Prime Controllers stake at 10% APY, and coinbrief fails to ask where HashStaker's 400% APY is coming from.

I think after reading all this I'd rather have that donut.
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I thought of a better tagline for them (not sure if this has been posted already...)

PayCoin: Other Peoples' Money
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