For those not following pbmining: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/definitive-proof-the-owner-of-pbmining-is-a-scammer-885224
Now a confirmed scam.
Topic: GAW / Josh Garza discussion Paycoin XPY xpy.io ION ionomy. ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :) - page 2284. (Read 3377790 times)
December 06, 2014, 09:25:54 PM
December 06, 2014, 09:20:15 PM
Heres something to think about too. Now i'm not saying this is what is happening because i think it likely isn't but its a possibility based on josh's past... josh has been known to use multiple accounts to promote himself / act as an ebay employee for a miner sale he didn't pay for and returned the item (as far as i know... google for this its not hard to find). But what if Josh has an inner circle of 10 people that all use 4 accounts. Thats 40 accounts that pump the user base up. I'm finding it hard to believe that many obliging people all got involved in crypto and found the church of GAW together. It just doesn't add up. Cryptocurrency is still in infancy i mean cmon its not easily usable it still has alot of technical know how to it. Most technical people work on reason, they are analytical skeptical, cynical on things. I work in IT and i was taken by GAW but i put it down to naivety. It took me around 4 days to wake up and get scared (i had a GAW investment for i think 7-8 days).
Its possible the cult mentality is actually a select group of people posing as more than there really are.
http://www.reddit.com/r/litecoinmining/comments/1yqx55/mining_rig_builders_do_not_sell_anything_or/ ??
December 06, 2014, 09:18:08 PM
i am running for the hills...almost sold off all my primes...will sell everything and exit stage left....i'm glad i'm getting out in time...and if paycoin actually does sell for 20 i've tripled my btc with gaw...not bad 
i just don't wanna stake anything as 6 months is years in crypto...hell even 3mths is a long time...oh well i'll leave it to the gawlovers to hold the bag...i'm sure they won't mind since they are just eating everything up
i just don't wanna stake anything as 6 months is years in crypto...hell even 3mths is a long time...oh well i'll leave it to the gawlovers to hold the bag...i'm sure they won't mind since they are just eating everything uploved that Rush reference, and good for you, fuck gawX.
December 06, 2014, 09:14:44 PM
What helped drive me from GAW, along with the tanked
payouts, was the cult-like smell of the operation. This was
actually of little or no concern to me while things were
going well, just some curiosity to shrug off. But when it
seemed to prevail and even with more fervor after payouts
crashed I got really concerned. Some of the weirdos over
there reminded me of the Moonie who stated
"I don´t care if Moon is like Hitler, I´ve chosen to follow
him and I will to the end."
payouts, was the cult-like smell of the operation. This was
actually of little or no concern to me while things were
going well, just some curiosity to shrug off. But when it
seemed to prevail and even with more fervor after payouts
crashed I got really concerned. Some of the weirdos over
there reminded me of the Moonie who stated
"I don´t care if Moon is like Hitler, I´ve chosen to follow
him and I will to the end."
Heres something to think about too. Now i'm not saying this is what is happening because i think it likely isn't but its a possibility based on josh's past... josh has been known to use multiple accounts to promote himself / act as an ebay employee for a miner sale he didn't pay for and returned the item (as far as i know... google for this its not hard to find). But what if Josh has an inner circle of 10 people that all use 4 accounts. Thats 40 accounts that pump the user base up. I'm finding it hard to believe that many obliging people all got involved in crypto and found the church of GAW together. It just doesn't add up. Cryptocurrency is still in infancy i mean cmon its not easily usable it still has alot of technical know how to it. Most technical people work on reason, they are analytical skeptical, cynical on things. I work in IT and i was taken by GAW but i put it down to naivety. It took me around 4 days to wake up and get scared (i had a GAW investment for i think 7-8 days).
Its possible the cult mentality is actually a select group of people posing as more than there really are.
December 06, 2014, 09:09:08 PM
It all just seemed so weird. My zens were happily mining
the world´s best paying pool, then it sagged a little for a
few days and then boom - tanked. And the same day there
was this big hullabbaloo over the activation codes and that
scam. And I thought, wow maybe this Josh guy got an overdose
of the old testament as a kid and subscribes to the collective
punishment doctrine of that invisible guy in the sky. In that event
those payouts might never return and so maybe I best get the hell out.
the world´s best paying pool, then it sagged a little for a
few days and then boom - tanked. And the same day there
was this big hullabbaloo over the activation codes and that
scam. And I thought, wow maybe this Josh guy got an overdose
of the old testament as a kid and subscribes to the collective
punishment doctrine of that invisible guy in the sky. In that event
those payouts might never return and so maybe I best get the hell out.
December 06, 2014, 09:08:55 PM
December 06, 2014, 08:44:39 PM
What helped drive me from GAW, along with the tanked
payouts, was the cult-like smell of the operation. This was
actually of little or no concern to me while things were
going well, just some curiosity to shrug off. But when it
seemed to prevail and even with more fervor after payouts
crashed I got really concerned. Some of the weirdos over
there reminded me of the Moonie who stated
"I don´t care if Moon is like Hitler, I´ve chosen to follow
him and I will to the end."
payouts, was the cult-like smell of the operation. This was
actually of little or no concern to me while things were
going well, just some curiosity to shrug off. But when it
seemed to prevail and even with more fervor after payouts
crashed I got really concerned. Some of the weirdos over
there reminded me of the Moonie who stated
"I don´t care if Moon is like Hitler, I´ve chosen to follow
him and I will to the end."
December 06, 2014, 08:31:08 PM
Would be fun to have an archive of the TOS to be able to see an evolution over time.
I had a couple of copies in the old thread. I've been meaning to link them to the OP and make more regular copies, maybe I should put that on my calendar like a monthly task or smth.
December 06, 2014, 08:29:47 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if GAW themselves were buying the lowest offers on the market to reduce the numbers of potential participants in the inevitable upcoming lawsuit.
December 06, 2014, 08:27:41 PM
i am running for the hills...almost sold off all my primes...will sell everything and exit stage left....i'm glad i'm getting out in time...and if paycoin actually does sell for 20 i've tripled my btc with gaw...not bad i just don't wanna stake anything as 6 months is years in crypto...hell even 3mths is a long time...oh well i'll leave it to the gawlovers to hold the bag...i'm sure they won't mind since they are just eating everything up
i just don't wanna stake anything as 6 months is years in crypto...hell even 3mths is a long time...oh well i'll leave it to the gawlovers to hold the bag...i'm sure they won't mind since they are just eating everything up December 06, 2014, 08:23:51 PM
Quote from: cryptofunk
Now, Zen TOS..
Quote from: ZenCloud TOS
9.2 Hashlets.
A Hashlet is a divisible and assignable allocation of hasing power from Company-owned and hosted mining hardware. The amount of hashing power associated with a particular Hashlet may fluctuate depending on the performance and output of the underlying hardware. Some Hashlets may be optimized to work with multiple mining pools, while others may pool-specific. The User understands that Hashlets are not physical devices and cannot be shipped to the User.
Through the ZenMiner Platform, the Company operates an internal marketplace for hashing power (the “Hash Market”), allowing Users to buy and sell hashlets . The Company reserves the right to charge a fee for such trading activity, which Company may determine in its sole discretion. Company may cancel any trade at any time, for any reason. The Company may also reverse a trade at any time, for any reason.
The User is not permitted to use automated methods, including but not limited to automatic scripts and trading bots, in conjunction with the Hash Market. Any executed trade in violation of this Section 9.2 will be reversed, and the proceeds from such trade(s) will be forfeited.
Have the report of invalid pricing in market being sold in less than a second been reverted and forfeited? This section says "will" rather than "can". With basic MySQL it would be easy to know that item A was listed at 00:00:00.000 and sold at 00:00:01.123. (date A minus date B greater than threshold)
Quote from: ZenCloud TOS
9.2 Hashlets.
A Hashlet is a divisible and assignable allocation of hasing power from Company-owned and hosted mining hardware. The amount of hashing power associated with a particular Hashlet may fluctuate depending on the performance and output of the underlying hardware. Some Hashlets may be optimized to work with multiple mining pools, while others may pool-specific. The User understands that Hashlets are not physical devices and cannot be shipped to the User.
Through the ZenMiner Platform, the Company operates an internal marketplace for hashing power (the “Hash Market”), allowing Users to buy and sell hashlets . The Company reserves the right to charge a fee for such trading activity, which Company may determine in its sole discretion. Company may cancel any trade at any time, for any reason. The Company may also reverse a trade at any time, for any reason.
The User is not permitted to use automated methods, including but not limited to automatic scripts and trading bots, in conjunction with the Hash Market. Any executed trade in violation of this Section 9.2 will be reversed, and the proceeds from such trade(s) will be forfeited.
Have the report of invalid pricing in market being sold in less than a second been reverted and forfeited? This section says "will" rather than "can". With basic MySQL it would be easy to know that item A was listed at 00:00:00.000 and sold at 00:00:01.123. (date A minus date B greater than threshold)
TOS aren't valid law i don't understand why people believe they are. If Josh thinks because someone uses a bot he can keep the hashlet sale proceeds then he is wrong. Bots are prohibited and GAW can prevent such occurances and freeze accounts pending payouts but they in no way can take a customers asset. They would have to pay the customer and terminate the account... you cannot steal from your customers, regardless what a TOS says. Blizzard and world of warcraft can put what they want in there but it never overrides the law.
They can try and reverse payments all they want but if i want my BTC out of their system they have to comply. If they don't then it is theft. Doesn't stop them from delaying payments with system problems etc but their TOS is full of shit. Good luck holding those conditions up in a court of law. Josh could say in the event of a market bot we reserve the right to enslave your child in our detention camps, bbq your dog and eat it and take possessions of your house. He can state what the fuck he likes in a TOS but like all things he says its just hot air and wasted breath... listening to him will make you more stupid.
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Failure to use Hashpoints by the expiration date hereon shall result in forfeiture. GAW reserves the right to terminate the Hashpoint program at any time, for any reason
Does this mean that playcoin can just shut down and you lose... or he can say use your hashpoints by tomorrow or they are gone.. but josh we can't buy anything with them yet... josh - not my fault.
December 06, 2014, 08:17:29 PM
Oh look, they froze withdrawls again because loads of people had BTC go missing after the roll-back.
https://hashtalk.org/topic/21873/withdrawal-maintenance
Honestly, I almost feel bad for them, it must be tough running the "most innovative crypto-company (read: ponzi) IN THE WORLD" with such innept staff.
https://hashtalk.org/topic/21873/withdrawal-maintenance
Honestly, I almost feel bad for them, it must be tough running the "most innovative crypto-company (read: ponzi) IN THE WORLD" with such innept staff.
What do you mean before the rollback? BTC goes missing all the time there with the perpetual money machine.. Its called the cashtaker and its making money disappear daily
December 06, 2014, 08:13:48 PM
Quote
9.5 HashPoints.
ZenMiner utilizes an internal coupon and rebate reward system called Hashpoints. Hashpoints are the property of GAW and can be redeemed for products and services available on the ZenMiner Platform. Hashpoints may be used once and may be subject to review upon submission for redemption. Hashpoints are electronically distributed the GAW and are not available via any other method. Hashpoints have no cash value and are not convertible into any from of cryptocurrency. This rebate program shall not be construed as investment or guaranteed interest payout program, investment scheme, or participatory monetary pool in which Hashpoints have an “in house value”. Failure to use Hashpoints by the expiration date hereon shall result in forfeiture. GAW reserves the right to terminate the Hashpoint program at any time, for any reason. In the case of fraud, misrepresentation, abuse or violation of these terms and conditions, GAW reserves the right to take all available legal or administrative action. Other restrictions and exclusions may apply
ZenMiner utilizes an internal coupon and rebate reward system called Hashpoints. Hashpoints are the property of GAW and can be redeemed for products and services available on the ZenMiner Platform. Hashpoints may be used once and may be subject to review upon submission for redemption. Hashpoints are electronically distributed the GAW and are not available via any other method. Hashpoints have no cash value and are not convertible into any from of cryptocurrency. This rebate program shall not be construed as investment or guaranteed interest payout program, investment scheme, or participatory monetary pool in which Hashpoints have an “in house value”. Failure to use Hashpoints by the expiration date hereon shall result in forfeiture. GAW reserves the right to terminate the Hashpoint program at any time, for any reason. In the case of fraud, misrepresentation, abuse or violation of these terms and conditions, GAW reserves the right to take all available legal or administrative action. Other restrictions and exclusions may apply
In translation, by their own admission:
HP's are property of GAW/Zen, not you, the customer, and if you "mine" them instead of BTC, you are not "mining" anything of expressed or implied value - for you at least.
HP's cannot be obtained from any other source so they are worthless to you AND centralized in nature. That is a double whammy.
HP's have no cash value (finally confirmed) and cannot be converted into any from of cryptocurrency, such as PayCoin, even if Mt.Gox is still promoting 400HP's = 1XPY (or whatever it is they are calling it this week).
HP's and the entire GAW/Zen/PayCoin operation cannot be construed as anything legitimate or not - and if exposed as anything more than nothing, Mt.Gox reserves the right to click their heels and sing there is no-place-like-home before disappearing in to nothingness.
Yes, all the proof is right there and if you do not read and agree to (even without expressly doing so) all 9+ printed pages of the questionably unlawful TOS - you, by default, agree to them and accept all liability, risk, and expense.
That's reads like a win-win operation made for and by the people to me (not).
Scott-
December 06, 2014, 07:57:56 PM
Well, the clientele is very well domesticated
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Now no withdrawls? This makes me sad, think I'm just going to call it a night. Totally ruined what I thought would be an awesome weekend.
December 06, 2014, 07:54:49 PM
Oh look, they froze withdrawls again because loads of people had BTC go missing after the roll-back.
https://hashtalk.org/topic/21873/withdrawal-maintenance
Honestly, I almost feel bad for them, it must be tough running the "most innovative crypto-company (read: ponzi) IN THE WORLD" with such innept staff.
https://hashtalk.org/topic/21873/withdrawal-maintenance
Honestly, I almost feel bad for them, it must be tough running the "most innovative crypto-company (read: ponzi) IN THE WORLD" with such innept staff.
Someone rolled back the database not thinking about the balances? Ouch!
December 06, 2014, 07:48:19 PM
Oh look, they froze withdrawls again because loads of people had BTC go missing after the roll-back.
https://hashtalk.org/topic/21873/withdrawal-maintenance
Honestly, I almost feel bad for them, it must be tough running the "most innovative crypto-company (read: ponzi) IN THE WORLD" with such innept staff.
https://hashtalk.org/topic/21873/withdrawal-maintenance
Honestly, I almost feel bad for them, it must be tough running the "most innovative crypto-company (read: ponzi) IN THE WORLD" with such innept staff.
December 06, 2014, 07:38:26 PM
My hint is more for Scott to include it in his dossier since he has FCC, SEC. FTC should round it all off.
Maybe even contact the CIA since the claim that SHA + AUTHY is the standard that the CIA uses. Never heard a bigger crock of shit in my life.
Maybe even contact the CIA since the claim that SHA + AUTHY is the standard that the CIA uses. Never heard a bigger crock of shit in my life.
Good point. However, regardless of their claims surrounding the use of "SHA"+AUTHY being soooOOOoooo secure, it does not comply with anything the CIA or any other agency uses (on the surface at least). Since the E-Government Act of 2002 (Public Law 107-347) was enacted, the definitions governing how the US government secures data has been covered in the Federal Information Processing Standards (FIPS). Any smart chip card, PC-linked interface, computer, and other data storing device must be FIPS compliant or it is a no-go. This is also applies in other countries, like Canada, the UK, and Germany, who follow similar security measures.
More info on the subject can be found here: http://csrc.nist.gov/publications/fips/fips199/FIPS-PUB-199-final.pdf
Scott-
December 06, 2014, 07:23:30 PM
So, running a cloud mining operation pretending to mine
BTC but instead mining shit and turning that into BTC
must be extremely lucrative and allow very high payouts.
Which is why there´s a constant din about scams and ponzis
and whatever from criminals, their lackeys and idiots
with interests in the price level of said shit.
BTC but instead mining shit and turning that into BTC
must be extremely lucrative and allow very high payouts.
Which is why there´s a constant din about scams and ponzis
and whatever from criminals, their lackeys and idiots
with interests in the price level of said shit.
December 06, 2014, 07:15:45 PM
P.S. Genesis doesn´t even offer Scrypt anymore.
Out of stock. I very seriously doubt that this was
caused by runaway sales.
Out of stock. I very seriously doubt that this was
caused by runaway sales.
December 06, 2014, 07:15:40 PM
Haven't looked at the terms in a while.. they've changed quite a bit... this made me laugh (although I may be used by everyone, I usually don't read that stuff)
Now, Zen TOS..
Have the report of invalid pricing in market being sold in less than a second been reverted and forfeited? This section says "will" rather than "can". With basic MySQL it would be easy to know that item A was listed at 00:00:00.000 and sold at 00:00:01.123. (date A minus date B greater than threshold)
Now this one is intersting:
This one got made me jump out of disbelieve: (Look for the 24h exclusion)
This one was brouth up before: (as far as I know this is illegal where I live)
There was a lot more in there.
Would be fun to have an archive of the TOS to be able to see an evolution over time.
Quote from: GAW TOS
DISCLAIMER OF WARRANTIES AND LIMITATION OF LIABILITY
THE SERVICES AND ALL INFORMATION, CONTENT, MATERIALS, PRODUCTS (INCLUDING SOFTWARE) AND OTHER SERVICES INCLUDED ON OR OTHERWISE MADE AVAILABLE TO YOU THROUGH THE SERVICES ARE PROVIDED BY GAW ON AN "AS IS" AND "AS AVAILABLE" BASIS, UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED IN WRITING. GAW MAKES NO REPRESENTATIONS OR WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, AS TO THE OPERATION OF THE SERVICES, OR THE INFORMATION, CONTENT, MATERIALS, PRODUCTS (INCLUDING SOFTWARE) OR OTHER SERVICES INCLUDED ON OR OTHERWISE MADE AVAILABLE TO YOU THROUGH THE SERVICES, UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED IN WRITING. YOU EXPRESSLY AGREE THAT YOUR USE OF THE SERVICES IS AT YOUR SOLE RISK.
TO THE FULL EXTENT PERMISSIBLE BY APPLICABLE LAW, GAW DISCLAIMS ALL WARRANTIES, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. GAW DOES NOT WARRANT THAT THE SERVICES, INFORMATION, CONTENT, MATERIALS, PRODUCTS (INCLUDING SOFTWARE) OR OTHER SERVICES INCLUDED ON OR OTHERWISE MADE AVAILABLE TO YOU THROUGH THE SERVICES, GAW'S SERVERS OR ELECTRONIC COMMUNICATIONS SENT FROM GAW ARE FREE OF VIRUSES OR OTHER HARMFUL COMPONENTS. GAW WILL NOT BE LIABLE FOR ANY DAMAGES OF ANY KIND ARISING FROM THE USE OF ANY GAW SERVICE, OR FROM ANY INFORMATION, CONTENT, MATERIALS, PRODUCTS (INCLUDING SOFTWARE) OR OTHER SERVICES INCLUDED ON OR OTHERWISE MADE AVAILABLE TO YOU THROUGH ANY GAW SERVICE, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, PUNITIVE, AND CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES, UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED IN WRITING.
CERTAIN STATE LAWS DO NOT ALLOW LIMITATIONS ON IMPLIED WARRANTIES OR THE EXCLUSION OR LIMITATION OF CERTAIN DAMAGES. IF THESE LAWS APPLY TO YOU, SOME OR ALL OF THE ABOVE DISCLAIMERS, EXCLUSIONS, OR LIMITATIONS MAY NOT APPLY TO YOU, AND YOU MIGHT HAVE ADDITIONAL RIGHTS.
THE SERVICES AND ALL INFORMATION, CONTENT, MATERIALS, PRODUCTS (INCLUDING SOFTWARE) AND OTHER SERVICES INCLUDED ON OR OTHERWISE MADE AVAILABLE TO YOU THROUGH THE SERVICES ARE PROVIDED BY GAW ON AN "AS IS" AND "AS AVAILABLE" BASIS, UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED IN WRITING. GAW MAKES NO REPRESENTATIONS OR WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, AS TO THE OPERATION OF THE SERVICES, OR THE INFORMATION, CONTENT, MATERIALS, PRODUCTS (INCLUDING SOFTWARE) OR OTHER SERVICES INCLUDED ON OR OTHERWISE MADE AVAILABLE TO YOU THROUGH THE SERVICES, UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED IN WRITING. YOU EXPRESSLY AGREE THAT YOUR USE OF THE SERVICES IS AT YOUR SOLE RISK.
TO THE FULL EXTENT PERMISSIBLE BY APPLICABLE LAW, GAW DISCLAIMS ALL WARRANTIES, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. GAW DOES NOT WARRANT THAT THE SERVICES, INFORMATION, CONTENT, MATERIALS, PRODUCTS (INCLUDING SOFTWARE) OR OTHER SERVICES INCLUDED ON OR OTHERWISE MADE AVAILABLE TO YOU THROUGH THE SERVICES, GAW'S SERVERS OR ELECTRONIC COMMUNICATIONS SENT FROM GAW ARE FREE OF VIRUSES OR OTHER HARMFUL COMPONENTS. GAW WILL NOT BE LIABLE FOR ANY DAMAGES OF ANY KIND ARISING FROM THE USE OF ANY GAW SERVICE, OR FROM ANY INFORMATION, CONTENT, MATERIALS, PRODUCTS (INCLUDING SOFTWARE) OR OTHER SERVICES INCLUDED ON OR OTHERWISE MADE AVAILABLE TO YOU THROUGH ANY GAW SERVICE, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, PUNITIVE, AND CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES, UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED IN WRITING.
CERTAIN STATE LAWS DO NOT ALLOW LIMITATIONS ON IMPLIED WARRANTIES OR THE EXCLUSION OR LIMITATION OF CERTAIN DAMAGES. IF THESE LAWS APPLY TO YOU, SOME OR ALL OF THE ABOVE DISCLAIMERS, EXCLUSIONS, OR LIMITATIONS MAY NOT APPLY TO YOU, AND YOU MIGHT HAVE ADDITIONAL RIGHTS.
Now, Zen TOS..
Quote from: ZenCloud TOS
9.2 Hashlets.
A Hashlet is a divisible and assignable allocation of hasing power from Company-owned and hosted mining hardware. The amount of hashing power associated with a particular Hashlet may fluctuate depending on the performance and output of the underlying hardware. Some Hashlets may be optimized to work with multiple mining pools, while others may pool-specific. The User understands that Hashlets are not physical devices and cannot be shipped to the User.
Through the ZenMiner Platform, the Company operates an internal marketplace for hashing power (the “Hash Market”), allowing Users to buy and sell hashlets . The Company reserves the right to charge a fee for such trading activity, which Company may determine in its sole discretion. Company may cancel any trade at any time, for any reason. The Company may also reverse a trade at any time, for any reason.
The User is not permitted to use automated methods, including but not limited to automatic scripts and trading bots, in conjunction with the Hash Market. Any executed trade in violation of this Section 9.2 will be reversed, and the proceeds from such trade(s) will be forfeited.
A Hashlet is a divisible and assignable allocation of hasing power from Company-owned and hosted mining hardware. The amount of hashing power associated with a particular Hashlet may fluctuate depending on the performance and output of the underlying hardware. Some Hashlets may be optimized to work with multiple mining pools, while others may pool-specific. The User understands that Hashlets are not physical devices and cannot be shipped to the User.
Through the ZenMiner Platform, the Company operates an internal marketplace for hashing power (the “Hash Market”), allowing Users to buy and sell hashlets . The Company reserves the right to charge a fee for such trading activity, which Company may determine in its sole discretion. Company may cancel any trade at any time, for any reason. The Company may also reverse a trade at any time, for any reason.
The User is not permitted to use automated methods, including but not limited to automatic scripts and trading bots, in conjunction with the Hash Market. Any executed trade in violation of this Section 9.2 will be reversed, and the proceeds from such trade(s) will be forfeited.
Have the report of invalid pricing in market being sold in less than a second been reverted and forfeited? This section says "will" rather than "can". With basic MySQL it would be easy to know that item A was listed at 00:00:00.000 and sold at 00:00:01.123. (date A minus date B greater than threshold)
Now this one is intersting:
Quote from: ZenCloud TOS
9.5 HashPoints.
ZenMiner utilizes an internal coupon and rebate reward system called Hashpoints. Hashpoints are the property of GAW and can be redeemed for products and services available on the ZenMiner Platform. Hashpoints may be used once and may be subject to review upon submission for redemption. Hashpoints are electronically distributed the GAW and are not available via any other method. Hashpoints have no cash value and are not convertible into any from of cryptocurrency. This rebate program shall not be construed as investment or guaranteed interest payout program, investment scheme, or participatory monetary pool in which Hashpoints have an “in house value”. Failure to use Hashpoints by the expiration date hereon shall result in forfeiture. GAW reserves the right to terminate the Hashpoint program at any time, for any reason. In the case of fraud, misrepresentation, abuse or violation of these terms and conditions, GAW reserves the right to take all available legal or administrative action. Other restrictions and exclusions may apply
ZenMiner utilizes an internal coupon and rebate reward system called Hashpoints. Hashpoints are the property of GAW and can be redeemed for products and services available on the ZenMiner Platform. Hashpoints may be used once and may be subject to review upon submission for redemption. Hashpoints are electronically distributed the GAW and are not available via any other method. Hashpoints have no cash value and are not convertible into any from of cryptocurrency. This rebate program shall not be construed as investment or guaranteed interest payout program, investment scheme, or participatory monetary pool in which Hashpoints have an “in house value”. Failure to use Hashpoints by the expiration date hereon shall result in forfeiture. GAW reserves the right to terminate the Hashpoint program at any time, for any reason. In the case of fraud, misrepresentation, abuse or violation of these terms and conditions, GAW reserves the right to take all available legal or administrative action. Other restrictions and exclusions may apply
This one got made me jump out of disbelieve: (Look for the 24h exclusion)
Quote from: ZenMiner TOS
9.6 Activation.
Users who purchase a Hashlet will receive an activation code within 24 hours of placing an order. Activation will require a User to register an account by visitng https://cloud.zenminer.com. Users who have not received an activation code within 24 hours may file a claim at https://gawminers.freshdesk.com/helpdesk, receive an activiation code and full refund for the Product you are fiing a claim for. Hashlets do not qualify for the 24-hour activation guarantee promotion.
Your claim will be denied in the event the Company has sent an activation code but you were unable to receive it or retrieve it within the 24-hour period for reasons including, but not limited to: spam filters, incorrect email address, blocked by ISP, inaccessibility to your registered email with gawminers.com.
Users who purchase a Hashlet will receive an activation code within 24 hours of placing an order. Activation will require a User to register an account by visitng https://cloud.zenminer.com. Users who have not received an activation code within 24 hours may file a claim at https://gawminers.freshdesk.com/helpdesk, receive an activiation code and full refund for the Product you are fiing a claim for. Hashlets do not qualify for the 24-hour activation guarantee promotion.
Your claim will be denied in the event the Company has sent an activation code but you were unable to receive it or retrieve it within the 24-hour period for reasons including, but not limited to: spam filters, incorrect email address, blocked by ISP, inaccessibility to your registered email with gawminers.com.
This one was brouth up before: (as far as I know this is illegal where I live)
Quote from: ZenCloud TOS
18. MODIFICATION OF TERMS OF SERVICE.
GAW reserves the right to change, add or remove portions of these Terms of Service, at any time, in an exercise of its sole discretion. Your continued use of the Site following changes to these Terms of Service signifies that you accept and agree to the changes, and that all subsequent transactions by you will be subject to the amended Terms of Service.
GAW reserves the right to change, add or remove portions of these Terms of Service, at any time, in an exercise of its sole discretion. Your continued use of the Site following changes to these Terms of Service signifies that you accept and agree to the changes, and that all subsequent transactions by you will be subject to the amended Terms of Service.
There was a lot more in there.
Would be fun to have an archive of the TOS to be able to see an evolution over time.
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