Topic: GAW / Josh Garza discussion Paycoin XPY xpy.io ION ionomy. ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :) - page 811. (Read 3377922 times)
April 21, 2015, 01:02:35 AM
miaviator is there someone against your great ideas?
April 21, 2015, 12:48:28 AM
First, prove to me that GAW owns Paycoin. Tell me how much, and where it is stored and why you believe it belongs to them, and then explain why taking property from a corporation is different than taking it from an individual. Secondly, explain why you think it is ok to take property away from either GAW or Josh Garza. What is the EXACT criteria by which you conclude that it is fair, just and legal, to take property from someone else. You either respect property rights or you don't.
I don't think anyone is proposing taking property away from anyone. What is being proposed is a fork of the coin which is identical other than that certain coins don't exist in the fork; the current coin (XPY) continues to exist, and a new coin (XPY2) is created which is functionally identical, only without the GAW coins. Is that theft? I don't see how.
As an existing holder of N XPY, I would also have N XPY2 (unless presumably I was GAW). I could choose to trade my XPY2 for "real" XPY, or vice versa, depending on which of the two I wanted to hold. They would both be listed on exchanges, and their prices would move independently of each other.
If there's general agreement that the fork is a good idea people would sell their XPY, pushing the price towards 0, while buying more XPY2, increasing the price. GAW still have their millions of XPY, nothing has been stolen, but the free market has set a more appropriate price for their out-of-thin-air gains and decided that they value a coin without the pre-mine (or whatever it is - I've not been paying attention) more highly.
This.
XPY2 would cut at least 50% of the coin and all hyperinflation.
EDIT: Cut all prime controllers and their coins + any remaining premine which is not in the hands of customers.
April 21, 2015, 12:46:06 AM
First, prove to me that GAW owns Paycoin. Tell me how much, and where it is stored and why you believe it belongs to them, and then explain why taking property from a corporation is different than taking it from an individual. Secondly, explain why you think it is ok to take property away from either GAW or Josh Garza. What is the EXACT criteria by which you conclude that it is fair, just and legal, to take property from someone else. You either respect property rights or you don't.
I don't think anyone is proposing taking property away from anyone. What is being proposed is a fork of the coin which is identical other than that certain coins don't exist in the fork; the current coin (XPY) continues to exist, and a new coin (XPY2) is created which is functionally identical, only without the GAW coins. Is that theft? I don't see how.
As an existing holder of N XPY, I would also have N XPY2 (unless presumably I was GAW). I could choose to trade my XPY2 for "real" XPY, or vice versa, depending on which of the two I wanted to hold. They would both be listed on exchanges, and their prices would move independently of each other.
If there's general agreement that the fork is a good idea people would sell their XPY, pushing the price towards 0, while buying more XPY2, increasing the price. GAW still have their millions of XPY, nothing has been stolen, but the free market has set a more appropriate price for their out-of-thin-air gains and decided that they value a coin without the pre-mine (or whatever it is - I've not been paying attention) more highly.
April 21, 2015, 12:38:21 AM
How about a binary lantern system?
"one if by land, two if by sea"? Paul Revere has an unfair advantage here.
April 21, 2015, 12:38:16 AM
Anyone catch this? https://i.imgur.com/FO24wCT.png
April 21, 2015, 12:37:25 AM
So because GAW never established any checks and balances, any corporate polices on behavior everyone got to do what ever they liked. Customer Support did not exist because there was no policy for it. It was up to the individual support rep to decide how they treat a customer unless they are told by management to fuck em.
Well, they were able to sniff out that taylan unal employee that stole from them, so that's some kind of oversight, at least.
Oversight? Did you read that particular email exchange? I believe it went something like this:
GAW1: Hey GAW2
GAW2: Ummm, yeah?
GAW1: One moment
GAW2: OMGOMGOMGOMGOM I'm so sorry I don't know what I was thinking I just started using some of the discount vouchers and I was going to pay it back honestly but it just kinda ran away from me I can't believe I did this I am crying so hard that snot is dribbling down my chin please don't fire me I hate myself . . . .
GAW1: Huh? Wut? I mean, *cough*, yeah that was what I was going to speak to you about, you're in serious trouble young man.
April 21, 2015, 12:35:17 AM
@ TheMage and Paul Revere ... I'm genuinely interested in your conversation, but don't want to jump in on it in this thread because it's sort of semi-tangent-ish. (But I can understand why you two continue your discussion here)... would you consider starting a different thread where lesser voices could participate w/out overly extending this thread? Also, this seems like a good 'general purpose' crypto-currency community topic that would be served better to not be buried in this thread.
Of course, I think its a good topic honestly.
Paul you up for a good philosophical discussion (with all respect of course)?
Please do not suggest a series of published letters.
How about a binary lantern system?
April 21, 2015, 12:21:55 AM
I hope a mod didn't sell out to this scumbag and I think Theymos needs to be aware of this.
Asked in Donators section, will update if a response is given.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--1033395
* TheMage being tired as hell. Reading comprehension FTW.
Get some sleep TheMage.
April 21, 2015, 12:13:17 AM
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The topic or board you are looking for appears to be either missing or off limits to you.
Right, it's the Donators section, I assume for people who donate. He said he'd post if there's a response.
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Ahh ok, gotcha. Thanks
* TheMage being tired as hell. Reading comprehension FTW.
April 21, 2015, 12:12:01 AM
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The topic or board you are looking for appears to be either missing or off limits to you.
Right, it's the Donators section, I assume for people who donate. He said he'd post if there's a response.
April 21, 2015, 12:07:23 AM
I hope a mod didn't sell out to this scumbag and I think Theymos needs to be aware of this.
Asked in Donators section, will update if a response is given.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--1033395
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The topic or board you are looking for appears to be either missing or off limits to you.
April 21, 2015, 12:03:43 AM
I hope a mod didn't sell out to this scumbag and I think Theymos needs to be aware of this.
Asked in Donators section, will update if a response is given.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--1033395
April 20, 2015, 11:59:28 PM
PSA from our friends over at GH: if you purchased GAW products using a credit card or a PayPal payment you may be eligible for a charge back. More info here:
https://forum.gethashing.com/t/gaw-legal-credit-and-consumer-protection-rights-thread/2878
https://forum.gethashing.com/t/gaw-legal-credit-and-consumer-protection-rights-thread/2878
maybe in the US. but Banks here go with the 45 day chargeback timeframe, guaranteed.
April 20, 2015, 11:56:09 PM
Holy fuck MAILDIR. I love you Maildir!!!
Reactors last post was 10 days after this bounty.
Last Active: July 26, 2014, 02:11:39 PM
I hope a mod didn't sell out to this scumbag and I think Theymos needs to be aware of this.
Just came across this:
Subject: Re: daily report
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 10:32:43 -0400
From: Josh Garza <[email protected]>
To: EP <[email protected]>
5 thousand dollar btc bounty to anyone that gets reactor banned
On Wednesday, July 16, 2014, EP <[email protected]> wrote:
Reactor is crying again in the thread. That piece of shit was supposed to be out of the picture but it seems he just can't shut up.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.7874749
Looks like GAW fans successfully bombed MAT litecointalk thread
https://litecointalk.org/index.php?topic=16195.150
Genesis Mining are paying people to post reviews of their site on bitcointalk.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.7875335
MinerEU's emails were compromised. Somebody sent emalis to all their customers containing a .jar file with a LTC stealing trojan. Few people opened the files and lost all their coins.
Looks like they also hacked into Xhash and Zoomhash databases. They are saying it's due to the heartbleed vulnerability.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=508904.1220
New scam accusations in the hashra thread.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=601217.520
HASHRA are scammers.Purchased myself 10 miners, 3 of them DOA and been waiting for more than month for a replacement and they are NOT refunding.
If you want to be scammed go ahead and purchase from them.
According to people from Minersource BA Minion chips (I told you about few days ago) were sent to Europe for assembly.
Reactors last post was 10 days after this bounty.
Last Active: July 26, 2014, 02:11:39 PM
I hope a mod didn't sell out to this scumbag and I think Theymos needs to be aware of this.
Hater or honest person?
LMFAO, I cant believe how many of my posts are mentioned (Panda, lawyers, Tom & Jerry), you guys are fucking awesome!!
I think a mod here is friends with Panda and got me a ban I didn't deserve, Panda did know about the ban before it happened and mentioned it on a post. I questioned him or her about it (the mod) and did not get a reply.
1 Person I miss that I must say was the 1st person to expose Gaw was Reactor
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/reactor-93082
https://bitcointa.lk/search/35761/
Reactor if you are reading any of this please come back!
I am so glad the truth has come out. <3
EDIT: we also know who was busy reporting the posts that were deleted.
(grinning)
LMFAO, I cant believe how many of my posts are mentioned (Panda, lawyers, Tom & Jerry), you guys are fucking awesome!!
I think a mod here is friends with Panda and got me a ban I didn't deserve, Panda did know about the ban before it happened and mentioned it on a post. I questioned him or her about it (the mod) and did not get a reply.
1 Person I miss that I must say was the 1st person to expose Gaw was Reactor
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/reactor-93082
https://bitcointa.lk/search/35761/
Reactor if you are reading any of this please come back!
I am so glad the truth has come out. <3
EDIT: we also know who was busy reporting the posts that were deleted.
(grinning)Just came across this:
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Subject: Re: daily report
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 10:32:43 -0400
From: Josh Garza <[email protected]>
To: EP <[email protected]>
5 thousand dollar btc bounty to anyone that gets reactor banned
On Wednesday, July 16, 2014, EP <[email protected]> wrote:
Reactor is crying again in the thread. That piece of shit was supposed to be out of the picture but it seems he just can't shut up.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.7874749
Looks like GAW fans successfully bombed MAT litecointalk thread
https://litecointalk.org/index.php?topic=16195.150
Genesis Mining are paying people to post reviews of their site on bitcointalk.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.7875335
MinerEU's emails were compromised. Somebody sent emalis to all their customers containing a .jar file with a LTC stealing trojan. Few people opened the files and lost all their coins.
Looks like they also hacked into Xhash and Zoomhash databases. They are saying it's due to the heartbleed vulnerability.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=508904.1220
New scam accusations in the hashra thread.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=601217.520
HASHRA are scammers.Purchased myself 10 miners, 3 of them DOA and been waiting for more than month for a replacement and they are NOT refunding.
If you want to be scammed go ahead and purchase from them.
According to people from Minersource BA Minion chips (I told you about few days ago) were sent to Europe for assembly.
April 20, 2015, 11:46:39 PM
@ TheMage and Paul Revere ... I'm genuinely interested in your conversation, but don't want to jump in on it in this thread because it's sort of semi-tangent-ish. (But I can understand why you two continue your discussion here)... would you consider starting a different thread where lesser voices could participate w/out overly extending this thread? Also, this seems like a good 'general purpose' crypto-currency community topic that would be served better to not be buried in this thread.
Of course, I think its a good topic honestly.
Paul you up for a good philosophical discussion (with all respect of course)?
Please do not suggest a series of published letters.
I laughed so hard at this!
Personally I like The Mage's advice. If the paycoin foundation got rid of their primes, and josh's coins I think XPY would have just as much of a shot as any other shitcoin.
I don't get how people think he is trying to make money off of this expressed point of view. Unless he just bought some XPY on the lows last week (doubt it since he has spoken out against XPY previously) and is hoping his advice sends the coin to $20 a piece?
I don't get how people think he is trying to make money off of this expressed point of view. Unless he just bought some XPY on the lows last week (doubt it since he has spoken out against XPY previously) and is hoping his advice sends the coin to $20 a piece?
I dont day trade, for one because I have a day job and dont have the time to manage the risks around it. And no I have never owned XPY, I only have held BTC, LTC, and DOGE.
April 20, 2015, 11:41:05 PM
Personally I like The Mage's advice. If the paycoin foundation got rid of their primes, and josh's coins I think XPY would have just as much of a shot as any other shitcoin.
I don't get how people think he is trying to make money off of this expressed point of view. Unless he just bought some XPY on the lows last week (doubt it since he has spoken out against XPY previously) and is hoping his advice sends the coin to $20 a piece?
I don't get how people think he is trying to make money off of this expressed point of view. Unless he just bought some XPY on the lows last week (doubt it since he has spoken out against XPY previously) and is hoping his advice sends the coin to $20 a piece?
April 20, 2015, 11:38:45 PM
Hellsgremlin im happy youve seen that something is fishy with Mr. Garza and cool that you got something out of it. definitely figure out the tax stuff tho
but what about the people who didnt get to spend their xpy at that rate??
but what about the people who didnt get to spend their xpy at that rate??
April 20, 2015, 11:37:12 PM
Well I think I have a pretty good idea of where some of the Remember Hashlet money went, based on this (lack of) response
he actually answered this in the paycoin slack with a "no" -- I believe him... I don't see Josh donating to any charity and not bragging about it for months. April 20, 2015, 11:32:03 PM
@ TheMage and Paul Revere ... I'm genuinely interested in your conversation, but don't want to jump in on it in this thread because it's sort of semi-tangent-ish. (But I can understand why you two continue your discussion here)... would you consider starting a different thread where lesser voices could participate w/out overly extending this thread? Also, this seems like a good 'general purpose' crypto-currency community topic that would be served better to not be buried in this thread.
Of course, I think its a good topic honestly.
Paul you up for a good philosophical discussion (with all respect of course)?
Please do not suggest a series of published letters.
I Almost spit my Kool-Aid out.
April 20, 2015, 11:27:15 PM
@ TheMage and Paul Revere ... I'm genuinely interested in your conversation, but don't want to jump in on it in this thread because it's sort of semi-tangent-ish. (But I can understand why you two continue your discussion here)... would you consider starting a different thread where lesser voices could participate w/out overly extending this thread? Also, this seems like a good 'general purpose' crypto-currency community topic that would be served better to not be buried in this thread.
Of course, I think its a good topic honestly.
Paul you up for a good philosophical discussion (with all respect of course)?
Please do not suggest a series of published letters.
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