Homero trying to con bitmain:
In the end he was forced to buy 2000 units why? Because he wanted bitmain to publicize his order.
Homero orders a small amount of machines and negotiates a whole lot more then starts to plead with bitmain to public state he bought 5 or 6 PH of machines. Bitmain refuses, saying, we can't publicly declare this unless it is true, that is you make payment and we deliver it then we can publicly declare this. Homero is nagging him that 'the money is en-route' state for me publicly I have bought this from you and on and on. In one instance he sends the money confirms it to bitmain, pleads for him to say he has bought the hashing power, reverses the wire where again bitmain refuses to make this state. So in the end in order to get bitmain to make a statement, homero actually has to buy the goods and physically take possession of them before any statement is made. What he tried to do was buy a few, negotiate more, based on that have bitmain declare he has bought x hashing power, there after without question the Homero would have cancelled the balance order.
So far everything Homero does and has done is a reaction to the public, the outcry for proof of mining, forced him to buy a few, attempt to get bitmain declare he has x hashing power base don a small order + negotiating more, that fails so to fulfill the public outcry and in order to get bitmain to make the statement, he ends up having to actually buy it all. Clearly he never really wanted them didn't need them because bullshit was working, but when pushed by the public bought 'some' to make it look like he as mining, then when negotiating i.e. pretending he was more/all, bitmain refuses to confirm publicly based on negotiations, so a at the end of the day he is forced to buy it all.
Actually the entire operation from start to finish is based on what was analyzed here, and on reddit and elsewhere, every time, someone here analyzed their TOS, pointed out a problem, they made a note of the thread and comments, and quickly changed it, likewise with the coin itself, all problems and all analysis here on this thread was monitored daily by them, and everything modified to address it on their end once revealed here. Everything.
This was the MO from day one, bullshit our way through and if push comes to shove quickly remedy it by actually doing what we are bullshitting about. That he why he specifically targetd naive noobs with zero experience in crypto as his marks. Too bad everyone here and everywhere else with some experience caught and exposed this sack of shit for what he is.
Hi josh,
We do not release any customer's information or transaction record to anyone other than to the transacting customer by default.
Just like any businesses in USA, we need a waiver from you that we can release 5PH or 6PH purchase to the general public by how you want us to say it. We need the waiver of liability from you or the contract I sent to you.
The latest contract has the paragraph for us to release the statement as part of the sales agreement. you can strike the message and hand write into, what you want us to post it or we can post it the way it is in the sales agreement.
We are eager to post confirmation for you, but we have to take care of ourself, too.
Also, If I'm misunderstanding what you want me to do, please clarify. (Confirm the 5PH order is placed/negotiated at the moment, or purchase is completed or paid for) When it is paid, we consider it is completed.
As you can see, we listed 2 URLs, one from your forum and the other from the bitcointalk you specified and we already created BITMAIN account on your forum to honor your request as soon as you requested, but we just need confirmation and waiver from your side for us to do so.
YOSHI
On Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 9:18 AM, Josh Garza wrote:
What waiver?
On Oct 25, 2014 11:06 AM, "Yoshi Goto" wrote:
Hi Josh,
We have no problem confirming the completing order. (If already paid for), then we have confidence that it will be shipped, and we can post confirmation that 5PH or 6PH was purchased.
Are you asking me to confirm that the order was placed/negociated or the order was completed (meaning paid for)?
either way, please give us the release consent/waiver to do so. (to cover Bitmain's officers, board members, employees, agent and associated members from liability related to posting the comments to confirm the order was requested or order paid.
YOSHI
On Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 8:57 AM, Josh Garza wrote:
It seems to elude you that all I am/was asking for was confirmation we placed the order. Placing the order and completing it are not the same thing.
I will get a confirmation number when accounting gets in.
On Oct 25, 2014 10:51 AM, "Yoshi Goto" wrote:
Josh,
What Im trying to confirm is you stated you sent the payment in and we are not seeing it yet. If you could help us see it it would help, but our company can not make statement based on the speculation.
So, let me confirm, just to complete the 1.25m portion of the order?
Thank you
On Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 8:42 AM, Josh Garza wrote:
Hi Yoshi,
You got my correspondence and I got yours. I appreciate your perspective, but my board and I have our own, which I outline for you in my previous email.
Since neither of us are changing positions, it looks like we should just focus on completing the order. The order. Thanks
On Oct 25, 2014 10:34 AM, "Yoshi Goto" wrote:
Hi josh,
May be I missed the point?
On Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 8:33 AM, Josh Garza wrote:
I stated my position in my last email.
On Oct 24, 2014 6:06 PM, "Yoshi Goto" wrote:
HI Josh,
If you are looking for the long term, lets make it work.
On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 3:45 PM, Josh Garza wrote:
Understood
On Oct 24, 2014 5:31 PM, "Yoshi Goto" wrote:
Hi Josh,
I can write about what happen in the first dealing from your side and how we feel about it, but that's not going to be productive to both of us. Lets put this part of the dealing behind us and move forward.
Your primary goal is to acquire reliable hardware your customers can trust as lowest as possible as fast as possible with the reliable supply chain with a short notice. Our goal is to fullfill customers need as fast as we could upon confirming the payment.
We as the hardware manufacture, we can cater your need in timely manner and we will do our best to exceed your expectation.
We are catering your request as we can and accepting your modifications as we possibly could, however, the payment did not show up in Hong Kong by the end of October 24th business day and it is still not showing up. We haven't receive the contract nor the copy of wire receipt. We generally do not publicly announce our out put capacity and it was not in the original agreement, but we are willing to do so for this order. (We do not use BFL Marketing Model)
We do business in the long term. One thing we want to make it clear is payment must be in first before we allocate large production quantity with the special version. You will receive the priority in processing, however, the payment has to meet the deadline to keep the on-time schedule. (To cater the special order item, we do everything we can to speed things up and there is no other manufacture that can meet this demand at the moment or even by end of this year)
I don't know how to stress this to you, just like SP and Bitfury, we do ship on time upon payment, but we can't do anything without the payment being confirmed specially in public. Bitmain sales term is very clear and there is no refund specially if the batch was a custom made version.
At this moment, we can post a note for 2PH. or we can wait for another 5-6 hours and see if the wire shows up for saturday's business day.
P.S for this first deal, we gave you the hardware at our cost and for immediate shipping to show you our capacity and how we do business with private sale's side. Bitmain's major target is the Chinese Domestic Market and this size order is nothing new for us to handle when it comes to the capacity wise. (You are the special customer in the private client's side) You can google but you will not find any complaints from private sales customers that the order was delayed, because we fullfill these order ahead of schedule most of the time.
Yoshi
On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 5:34 PM, Josh Garza wrote:
Yoshi, I get it, but it goes both ways. I get that you guys were upset
that we almost canceled the order, but you guys also refused to give
us our payment back. This is also not appropriate, so it goes both
ways.
We need to both agree if the goal here is this order, or a long
partnership. If its this order, enough said.
But if its a partnership, then there is more here.
I appreciate all you guys are doing, but lets be honest here (we both
run business) you are doing it to capture more business in the future.
Assuming that your goal, it does not make me feel good that the
expectation is I absorb a million dollar plus risk, with the promise
that you will be shipping us hardware (which you did, but its still a
risk). And you guys can not take a risk to write a simple note
confirming our order that is already partially paid for. Seems like a
very one sided partnership, and that wont work in the long run.
In the US, we have a saying "dont throw the baby out with the bath
water" and thats whats happening here.
To leave a sour taste in my mouth for refusing to write a simple note
(that you could have easily deleted in a future), does not make me
feel great about the future. It's small potatoes with the business we
can do as time goes on.
The way this note was handled will make me I need to continue looking
for where our long term business ends up. I hope that changes.
Josh
On 10/23/14, Yoshi Goto wrote:
> Hi Josh,
>
> Hope you understand, we ship products upon payment but the last wire
> reversal attempt made it very uncomfortable for us to take any action until
> the funds truly clear the international transit. The process involved not
> only us but the bank, too. Normally any attempt to reverse the wire will
> cause the future ban on customers but we did not do that for you guys. We
> already shifted the production cycle to cater your special versions but the
> confirmation wise, we can't really state anything clear in PH power wise
> without the payment.
>
> We can however, post that we are "confirming the order" to have the wire
> shows up and settle. If it went out yesterday business day, it may show up
> in the next several hours once the new business day open. (If it was 1.6
> million, then that will cover 5PH, if you submitted additional 750,000 that
> will do for sure 6PH.
>
> sorry for the delay, I just landed in new york from Israel.
>
> On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 7:39 AM, Josh Garza wrote:
>
>> How about just keeping it simple.
>>
>> "Bitmain is confirming that GAW miners last order was for over 6ph"
>>
>> Simple, easy and accurate.
>>
>> For a partnership to work, just has to go both ways. We sent you guys
>> over
>> a million dollars for product that had not been shipped yet. And we just
>> sent even more. So we are showing our trust in you guys with our cash.
>>
>> And it's taken almost a week to get one sentence of confirmation. Hoping
>> you can take care of this asap. :)
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, October 23, 2014, Yoshi Goto wrote:
>>
>>> Does this work for you?
>>>
>>> **********************
>>> please wait for a moment, we are counting the total army of ants
>>> marching
>>> your way
>>>
>>> Confirming the validity of the comment request from GAW Management, it
>>> took a bit longer due to the time difference (day&night) and the
>>> weekend.
>>> **********************
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you
>>>
>>> YOSHI
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 9:30 PM, Yoshi Goto
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> how about, us coming online, and say, please wait for a moment, we are
>>>> counting the total army of ants marching your way. or something like
>>>> that?
>>>> 2PH for sure already by the end of the month shipping. (Not counting
>>>> your
>>>> existing S2 and S3)
>>>>
>>>> We may also be able to, mention that the Bitmain side try to confirm
>>>> the
>>>> validity of the comment request from GAW Management and due to the time
>>>> difference (day&night) and the weekend, it took a bit longer.
>>>>
>>>> What do you think?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 9:17 PM, Josh Garza wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yes, we will do that chunk soon. So maybe say close to 7 ph
>>>>>
>>>>> Please do that asap. I did not realize you guys would not do it until
>>>>> the wire went out. So I look like a fool now.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wednesday, October 22, 2014, Yoshi Goto
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Josh,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you for the update. We are not seeing the pending incoming
>>>>>> yet,
>>>>>> but Im sure it will show up soon. If you could send the contract and
>>>>>> wire
>>>>>> receipt, it will help a lot!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you selected for the optional 750,000 option, do you want us to
>>>>>> say
>>>>>> over 6PH? + another chunk you already have from S3 and S2? May push
>>>>>> close
>>>>>> to 7PH or just a little shy of 7PH may be.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> YOSHI
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 9:05 PM, Josh Garza wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> wire is out, pls make update
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Josh Garza*
>>>>>>> *CEO- *GAW Corp
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 9:21 PM, Yoshi Goto
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Josh,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Please let us know the status. We are ready to make the
>>>>>>>> announcement as requested.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> YOSHI
>>>>>>>>
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