I think they are misleading customers in a few ways to cover up whatever they are doing behind the scenes to make the business work. If you're a customer, you'll quickly notice that lots of features appear and disappear on the zen portal. A maintenance fee will double, the network hashrate will appear then disappear or will double in hashrate for an hour then go flat, etc. Support won't answer questions for several days, when they do, it's often with poor information, you have to wait for Josh himself or Amber to resolve a problem. Some of the "datacenter" photos was the storage warehouse, when called out on it, an email from a staff said there was no difference. You won't see any of these covered on Cryptocoinsnews, they've wallpapered the site with advertising dollars.
This week, the hashlet price went up twice. Did it go up due to supply and demand or did it go up to continue to pay customers higher returns (as advertised more than twice of wafflepool) that are mining on zenpool? Unless they disclose what zenpool mines and show the block payouts from the various coins being mined, no one will ever know (like pbmining). Now they are doubling a payout for the past 24 hours for customers. When people complain, just throw money at them, because that will shut them up, right?
Topic: GAW ZenCloud ZenPool Hashlet - does it really exist? ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :-) - page 203. (Read 262906 times)
August 27, 2014, 09:18:34 AM
August 27, 2014, 09:17:52 AM
sadly their thread is self-moderated and they deleted my about where I doubted their "zencloud" and "zenpool"
August 27, 2014, 09:11:37 AM
Well I have seen a lot of people withdraw their money , I have seen people that made over 100k investment and took out almost 15k which both happened in a jiffy.
If I see 15k withdraw happenning in a second from a company , I will trust them. The price rise is a bit pain in the ass , 15$ was very cool but right now its 25$ which is not cool for them to raise that much :/ but everything else seems legit. I don't care how they do it , as long as they do it. Hell it could be ponzi that actually works or they might be stealing from elderly or stealing from poor and giving to rich , all I care is do I get paid when I want to? Yes I do. End of story.
where did you see this?
August 27, 2014, 09:08:51 AM
Well I have seen a lot of people withdraw their money , I have seen people that made over 100k investment and took out almost 15k which both happened in a jiffy.
If I see 15k withdraw happenning in a second from a company , I will trust them. The price rise is a bit pain in the ass , 15$ was very cool but right now its 25$ which is not cool for them to raise that much :/ but everything else seems legit. I don't care how they do it , as long as they do it. Hell it could be ponzi that actually works or they might be stealing from elderly or stealing from poor and giving to rich , all I care is do I get paid when I want to? Yes I do. End of story.
August 27, 2014, 08:49:34 AM
I've seen the same "fan" crew with other previous scam sites, their attitudes do change quick once they realize the truth.
Blog isn't ready, will be released within the next week. We have statements from pool owners, scrypt hardware ASIC creators(A China Company), and someone who actually works for GAW/ZenMiners.
Blog isn't ready, will be released within the next week. We have statements from pool owners, scrypt hardware ASIC creators(A China Company), and someone who actually works for GAW/ZenMiners.
Date Registered: Today
Can't keep one account for more than a week?
Why aren't you advertising your hosting anymore?
gaw_whistleblower, flexhash, another week another account
Yea, I suspect it's flexhash as well. The guys gone full-retard lately. And we all know you never go full retard.
August 27, 2014, 08:36:41 AM
I've seen the same "fan" crew with other previous scam sites, their attitudes do change quick once they realize the truth.
Blog isn't ready, will be released within the next week. We have statements from pool owners, scrypt hardware ASIC creators(A China Company), and someone who actually works for GAW/ZenMiners.
Blog isn't ready, will be released within the next week. We have statements from pool owners, scrypt hardware ASIC creators(A China Company), and someone who actually works for GAW/ZenMiners.
Date Registered: Today
Can't keep one account for more than a week?
Why aren't you advertising your hosting anymore?
gaw_whistleblower, flexhash, another week another account
August 27, 2014, 08:13:35 AM
I've seen the same "fan" crew with other previous scam sites, their attitudes do change quick once they realize the truth.
Blog isn't ready, will be released within the next week. We have statements from pool owners, scrypt hardware ASIC creators(A China Company), and someone who actually works for GAW/ZenMiners.
Blog isn't ready, will be released within the next week. We have statements from pool owners, scrypt hardware ASIC creators(A China Company), and someone who actually works for GAW/ZenMiners.
So pretty much anyone with a bone to pick?
1) Former disgruntled employee - No credibility...
2) Pool owners that are pissed people are mining on zenpool and gettin pushed out of the market for not being competitive - No credibility.
3) ASIC creators from China no less - Cmon... Trusting the Chinese to tell the truth?!?!! Also a competitor getting edged out of the market by GAW. - No credibility.
Every single one of those entities have reason to hurt GAW and would profit from their downfall.
Find something that is neutral with some type of proof or trust... And maybe... Just maybe you'll get somewhere with your witch hunt.
August 27, 2014, 07:49:25 AM
Yes.. just how everything at GAW is "secret".
This guy is full of shit. No proof, citations, nothing. Just pure bullshit.
And hero member? What? You have a brand new account.
Can you not read? he said he is not using 'hero' account to keep its rep.
Seems like a violation of the TOS to sell products on here that claim to be something they're clearly not.
*GAW* should be banned from this forum and let them self-moderate their own crap on hashtalk.org
Numerous of us asked questions about a lot of things and when we state facts we get our posts deleted.
We're currently making a anon blog with all of GAW's truth and secrets.
whats the url?
LOL - Anon blog.. No accountability and all pure speculation with no proof. Great start - This is probably another flexhash account of yours.
August 27, 2014, 07:49:11 AM
Who needs proof when you have tinfoil hats, pitchforks and hero members on super secret witch hunts. Guess more people is getting ignored.
August 27, 2014, 07:40:55 AM
Yes.. just how everything at GAW is "secret".
This guy is full of shit. No proof, citations, nothing. Just pure bullshit.
And hero member? What? You have a brand new account.
Can you not read? he said he is not using 'hero' account to keep its rep.
Seems like a violation of the TOS to sell products on here that claim to be something they're clearly not.
*GAW* should be banned from this forum and let them self-moderate their own crap on hashtalk.org
Numerous of us asked questions about a lot of things and when we state facts we get our posts deleted.
We're currently making a anon blog with all of GAW's truth and secrets.
whats the url?
August 27, 2014, 07:34:22 AM
Yes.. just how everything at GAW is "secret".
This guy is full of shit. No proof, citations, nothing. Just pure bullshit.
And hero member? What? You have a brand new account.
Can you not read? he said he is not using 'hero' account to keep its rep.
August 27, 2014, 07:19:47 AM
Yes.. just how everything at GAW is "secret".
This guy is full of shit. No proof, citations, nothing. Just pure bullshit.
And hero member? What? You have a brand new account.
Can you not read? he said he is not using 'hero' account to keep its rep.
August 27, 2014, 07:17:10 AM
Yes.. just how everything at GAW is "secret".
This guy is full of shit. No proof, citations, nothing. Just pure bullshit.
And hero member? What? You have a brand new account.
August 27, 2014, 07:17:00 AM
I'm a hero member on here, I'm not going to ruin my rep by having GAW clowns give me negative trust.
Please just invest in anything else, be smart!
Please just invest in anything else, be smart!
So what do you know?
August 27, 2014, 07:02:49 AM
There is a large group of us(won't name any names) of us that reported gawminers to various agencies including ic3.gov. We have proof and reason to believe that gawminers isn't doing what they say they're doing and that is Fraud.
I will not post any other info.
I will not post any other info.
Right so you wont post anymore info!!! its secret right...
August 27, 2014, 06:56:38 AM
There is a large group of us(won't name any names) of us that reported gawminers to various agencies including ic3.gov. We have proof and reason to believe that gawminers isn't doing what they say they're doing and that is Fraud.
I will not post any other info.
I will not post any other info.
Right so you wont post anymore info!!! its secret right...
August 27, 2014, 06:45:51 AM
I'm not a troll, I'm someone who is out of $15,000 because of GAW's schemes. Currently they're being investigated by different agencies so we will hear answers soon.
They've been invested in the past due to their internet company.
You'll be the last to be calling people "trolls" whenever gawminers go bankrupt and they run away with millions of people's dollars.
I didn't call you a troll, you were just praising a troll's post. However for a newbie you aren't setting a very good tone for yourself. They've been invested in the past due to their internet company.
You'll be the last to be calling people "trolls" whenever gawminers go bankrupt and they run away with millions of people's dollars.
Now if you are really out $15,000, I can understand your hurt. What I don't understand is your postings without content. For example what agencies are investigating GAWMiners? How do you know it to be true?
Edit: I hate typos!
August 27, 2014, 06:42:17 AM
I'm not a troll, I'm someone who is out of $15,000 because of GAW's schemes. Currently they're being investigated by different agencies so we will hear answers soon.
which 'schemes' are you talking about?
which 'agencies' ?
well I'm guessing here but it works one of 2 ways
1) they are NOT running machinery they are simply running a 'virtual miner" which means they have algorithms that say on this day if we mine these coins at this
hash rate (est customer load on payments) ...we would make such and such on coin for this day...we need such and such to make our 'nut' or $$ on the whole thing
the rest we put out as hash for the people paying...ie they have made the first 'pure' cloud miner so to speak ...just math/payouts/and return on investment based on
what a large farm would produce
2) they have the same as above but using equipment and mining profitable pools as they say..price to get into the hashnet will vary started out at 16 usd per MH
now I think it is $25 usd ...when/if it gets TOO BIG they will shut down new signups till the next large farm data hall comes online and repeat...IF there calcs are
correct on what they need for their 'nut' (profit) and they have enough economy of scale or ramp up to keep up with demand...it may as folks say not pay as good
as home mining but if they do this better then the other guy (1c kwh elec ...no cooling issues ..someplace cold etc) they could pull if off..but even if this 2nd
scenario is true...$$$ to them have to come from someone so ..they will always take 'their cut' first and the price per MH will vary accordingly on how this whole
boat floats
If it is the first scenario they have some really really deep pockets behind them and quite the plan...even more $$$ in background then they would have imho
on the 2nd scenario above
anyway not saying it is a scam..but it is capitalism ..they have to have an angle to bring in revenue on this system of their's ..
anyway my 'guess'
Searing
August 27, 2014, 06:31:02 AM
I'm not a troll, I'm someone who is out of $15,000 because of GAW's schemes. Currently they're being investigated by different agencies so we will hear answers soon.
which 'schemes' are you talking about?
which 'agencies' ?
August 27, 2014, 06:28:37 AM
gminercrypto is right on that hashtalk post.
I am selling all my GAW gear from miners to hashlets. I don't want to be part of this ponzi scheme while it burns to the ground. Especially since Josh is known for lying and deceiving people(just google him).
All his moves you see are made to cover his ass from the truth. If you're too blind to see the truth then you don't deserve to be in the crypto world.
That is one of the trolls. I am selling all my GAW gear from miners to hashlets. I don't want to be part of this ponzi scheme while it burns to the ground. Especially since Josh is known for lying and deceiving people(just google him).
All his moves you see are made to cover his ass from the truth. If you're too blind to see the truth then you don't deserve to be in the crypto world.
or one of the debaters?
either way i'm not sure how GAW are doing this, something will leak at some point.
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