Topic: Gaza and international law!! - page 3. (Read 756 times)

@mikeywith; the person @1miau and I are also talking the same thing in my thread; he claims false allegations and even tell that no hospital was even bombed and the 470 civilians dead is a fake propoganda of Hamas. I don't even know if this is worth discussing anymore.

@1miau I want you to remember this image every day.

Since when did NYpost become  "Open Source Intelligence" ? where is your OSINT source?


You used the New York Post as your "fact reference" which is funny, where is your source of all the info you posted above? if you are going to quote another Western legacy media then spare yourself the effort.

in fact:


https://www.wired.com/story/al-ahli-baptist-hospital-explosion-disinformation-osint/


Kolina Koltai a senior researcher at open source intelligence (OSINT) Bellingcat said in response to the IDF putting that fake video and then deleting it:


She also mentioned in response to some Israeli fake news


So I ask again, where is your OSINT resource that confirms that the hospital was attacked by Hamas? if your source claims that it wasn't an airstrike conducted by a fighter jet, it doesn't change anything, your source needs to prove that Hamas was indeed the one who launched it, it's common since the attacker bares all responsibility unless proven otherwise.


Hamas is a political movement, I couldn't care less what they say or do, just like Netanyahu's government, they would use everything at their disposal to win, and that includes propaganda, it's perfectly normal to dislike or a hate a political party including this army and leader, but what you doing now is hating on all the civilians who have nothing to do with Hamas.

what I care about is the lives of the innocent Palestine people who have been suffering since the Zionist state took place back in 1948, the radical government and settlers have put the lives of both Palestinians and Israelis at stake, you keep mentioning Hamas as if they are superpower who control the whole area, you don't seem to know that they don't extend past Gaza, but despite them not having a foot in the West Bank, Israel did not stop the killing of the Palestinians in the west bank.

You seem to be pretty misinformed, about the religious aspect in the area, Israel is fighting both Muslims and Christians, it's part of the Zionist doctrine which you don't seem to understand, it's Zionist (God's chosen people according to them) vs everyone.

Are you aware that ALL human rights organizations state that Israel committed war crimes and has been brutal to the Palestinians for decades? and that includes ALL Israeli human rights organizations.

B'Tselem one of the largest human rights organizations based of Jerusalem mentioned this:

2,260 children were killed by the IDF and the settlers from 2000 to date, 519 of them were way too far from Gaza in the west bank where Hamas does not exist, 1,741 minors in Gaza were killed by the IDF vs 4 Israeli minors

You would find a lot of interesting reads there such as "Top Israeli officials criminally liable for knowingly ordering strike expected to harm civilians, including children, in the Gaza Strip"


All Israeli human rights organizations will tell you the same thing about the brutality of the IDF and the settlers, if you are not satisfied with Israeli resources you can turn to amnesty which also states



But no, this is all Hamas propaganda, they control the Israeli and international human rights originations to spread fake news.



Hard to tell to be honest.


If you are annoyed by a certain group of people regardless of their religion or background, don't let them into your country, it's as simple as that to a superpower country like Germany, unfortunately, it wasn't the case for the weak Palestinians back in 1948 since no matter how hard they tried to stop the Zionist from taking their land -- they couldn't.  


So why does this have to be in the order you mentioned, why can't it be EU, USA, and then Israel for example  , I find it hard to believe that a country with 2% the GDP of the U.S, a small population of 10 million with little to no natural resources is standing in the way of the "extremist organizations" who plan to take down the EU and the USA, it's also worth mentioning that Israel as a state only come to existence roughly 70 years ago, so who was protecting the world from the "extremist organizations" back then? we know for sure it wasn't the Jews so who was it?  I am not trolling really, I just don't have what it takes to understand arguments with flawed logic.

How about checking sources first, instead of just trusting any claims from Hamas?  
Because it turned out that the rocket was fired by Hamas itself and it crashed near the hospital, like the OSINT (Open Source Intelligence) community has confirmed:



That caused the explosion at a parking lot NEAR the hospital, not a rocket from Israel allegedly flying IN the hopsital.  
There are even more irregularities in statements from Hamas:
- Hamas can't show any pictures of the alleged 500 dead civilians = it's very likely another lie from Hamas because if many people were killed, Hamas would spread the propaganda all over the place. But there are no pictures
- There are no rocket craters, as usual for rocket targets, another sign that a Hamas rocket misfired shortly after being launched near the hospital

It's summarized here, already reviewed by the OSINT community:  
https://nypost.com/2023/10/18/all-of-the-evidence-that-shows-hamas-was-responsible-for-hospital-explosion/

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Sure, 3000 deaths, like the 500 deaths from the hospital, LOL.  
Hamas has lost all credibility, therefore these numbers are 100% meaningless.
If someone dies, ask Hamas, why Hamas
- has incited the recent violence due to their massacre against israeli civilians, do you condem this?
- is using civilians as human shields to fabricate propaganda about deaths, while Hamas could have protected them

Hamas should come out and face Israel's army face to face. Of course Hamas won't do that because Hamas is scum hiding behind civilians.

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Turned out that the propaganda was from Hamas, trying to incite more hate in this ongoing conflict.
It's not just not helpful at all, it's also disgusting. A sane and educated person will check first, what happened and PROVE his claims. I want PROOF, not UNPROVEN accusations.
And even then, no one from these islamic extremists will apologize that the rocket was from Hamas, not from Israel.
All the extremist pawns (we have quite a bunch of the in Germany), will not apologize for spreading UNPROVEN lies to incite more hate.


It would be nice to get some facts instead of unproven speculations that. Because it turned out that your claim aged like milk.  
Of course, spreading hate is much easier for Hamas apologists that to face the truth.
And no, the only ones who are brainwashed here are the vast majority of Hamas apologists, for parroting any unproven pro Hamas propaganda...

Stop getting brainwashed from Hamas propaganda and find out, what really happened, backed up by proof.  

I'm a very tolerant person but there's no doubt that all these Hamas supporters are not compatible with our German society. There's a small, extremist bunch, they reject any German societey norms. They behave like extremists and they are extremists.
They are trying to ignore the duty, that if you come to Germany, get offered a good social security, a good living standard, all the things, Germany has achieved, they need to be friendly and they need to accept the German culture. But instead, they are trying to reverse our German culture and engage in radical islamist behaviour.
They force their religious believs on others and if someone dares to criticize it, the critics will be massacred.
They don't accept the German culture and if we say them to do so, they will cause a massacre.
If their religion is critized, they will bomb the shit out of normal EU people.
They are fanatic.

Yes, after Israel is wiped off the map, which is the goal by extremist organizations like Hamas or Israel etc., EU and USA will be next.
We, in the west, are well advised to send this Hamas supporting scum right away, where it came from. There, these extremists can bomb themselves about their Allah bullshit, as it pleases them.
But not here in Germany.  

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You mean the hypocrisy of Hamas, when Hamas needs to spread fake propaganda, when in reality, the rocket near the hospital came from Hamas?
And, why is Hamas firing rockets near the hospital?  
Maybe using civilians as human shields again?
Nah, Hamas are the good guys...  

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Hamas is disgusting scum and pawns like we have quite a few here on Bitcointalk are fooled too easily into spreading such disgusting Hamas propaganda.
Like now, all the news are out, where everyone claimed, Israel bombed a hospital and killed 500 people but the rocket was fired by Hamas.



Question all the propaganda, wait if any claims from any side are PROVEN, check it yourself and stop spreading UNPROVEN propaganda. Hamas is a terrorist organization and tries to incite a mayor war, where Hisbollah, the terrorist regime in Iran and some other islamist idiots will try to incite a big war.
We don't need such crap.

All humans good, never talk bad about others OK?

When you spend years studying “international law,” deterrent means, and principles in waging wars, then you find a question in your exams that requires you to answer that international law criminalizes and punishes the violator who violates military values and violates international law and violates its general principles. Then you turn on the TV to see a force targeting a hospital containing civilians and doctors?? Where is the international law they taught us? And why do we even study it? Where are the deterrent means?

I can say with complete conviction that what is known as “international law” is the biggest lie known to human history and that there may not be anything comparable to it in the future.

The hypocrisy of the West, their use of definitions and concepts only when things are going in their favor, is disgusting.

Human rights are only for their own people. War crimes are only crimes if committed against them.

There is no international law, there is only "power" in this world if you are strong enough to do whatever you want -- you will always get away with it, the human rights and all the rest of it are just pure propaganda to feed the average joe.

As for the hospital blast, the Western media already has the plan to justify that given that the majority of their audiences are brainwashed, they could claim that this was done by Hamas on purpose or by mistake, they could also claim that Hamas was hiding rockets under that patients' beds, and those folks will happily accept the death of all those civilians and continue to send their hard-earned money in form of taxes to Israel because somehow, they think that if Israel is gone, the next target will be their country, and surprisingly this is common western propaganda, because the Americans think the U.S will be next after Israel, and so do the French and the British and everyone else who supports Israel, it's like the Palestinians have some secret nuclear weapon which will deploy to erase the whole world and the only thing standing in the way of that magical bottom is Israel.

A few hours ago, the Israeli Defense Forces committed a new massacre in the Gaza Strip that exceeded all expectations. The forces bombed a hospital housing civilians fleeing the bombing, in addition to those injured as a result of the bombings. The targeting of the hospital left more than 600 dead, and the hospital administration confirmed that all of them were civilians.
According to the latest statistics, the death toll as a result of the continuous bombing for 12 days exceeded 3,000, in addition to an unspecified number of wounded and the complete destruction of the infrastructure of the entire northern Gaza Strip, which is already besieged, while preventing the entry of food and medical aid through all crossings leading to the Gaza Strip.

Regardless of whether you support the Palestinian right or support Israel, I cannot imagine a rational person who would question the horror of what is happening to more than two million citizens in front of the eyes of the world. You may have been affected by the death of 200 Israelis after the Hamas attack last October 7, but in your opinion, is it permissible to react in this barbaric way? Hamas did not kill children or attack hospitals, and no matter how strong it is, it cannot reach the size of the military might of a force like Israel, which is supported by the most powerful armies in the world. Who benefits from killing more than a thousand children and destroying hospitals and shelters?

Believe me, I am unable to even formulate the appropriate expressions to describe what I feel. I am no longer as surprised by what Israel does as I am by the position of countries, entities, and even companies.
Can someone explain to me what is the benefit of international law that imposes certain conditions, even in cases of war, that hospitals and shelter centers should not be targeted and the way for humanitarian crossings should be opened? Why does everyone view the American veto as a normal step, while the Security Council and the entire United Nations agree to condemn what is happening? Can a rational person explain to me what is the benefit of establishing international law in light of the existence of what is called the right of veto? Then why do those with the veto insist on remaining within the United Nations and international legitimacy if they constantly overturn its decisions that agree with them? How can laws be effectively activated under the veto?