i'll just leave this here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=FapRiaBXniY
Topic: GAZA - Why not have a bitcoin center? (Read 5242 times)
the israeli's have already won, the palestinians must cut their loses and surrender unconditionally or face potential genocide.
wait wuut?!
GTFO you brainwashed heartless (J)SS prick.
what political revolution? i don't see any political revolution coming from inside Israel, Netanyahu has the full support of almost everyone in the knesset to continue the operation.
the only resistance is from a very small minority of arab and left wing parties which have little to no electoral power.
people don't usually oppose wars in which they are beating the other side so badly.
meanwhile more and more Palestinians are being slaughtered, by the time any so called political revolution will happen Gaza will have long capitulated if only because there will be no one left alive.
the israeli's have already won, the palestinians must cut their loses and surrender unconditionally or face potential genocide.
I know its tough to watch but the truth is that nobody will intervene militarily...
we saw what happened in Germany in the 1930s and this is no different...
shops and business being smashed, people being killed in protests, racial slurs and violence..
Jewish settlers have become the brown shirts of the modern age...
the world cannot do anything to help the countless lives that have already been lost in the name of Zionism and Islamic fundamentalism.
but we can try our best to stop people on both sides from becoming further radicalised.
we can make a difference because we can see what is happening with more clarity than ever before.
revolution will come.. I refuse to believe that everyone in isreal is a Radical Zionist just as I refuse to believe that Everyone in Palestine is an Islamic extremist. they are the minority and its up to the majority to stand up and get rid of these assholes before they become the majority.
for what its worth.. America had a similar problem during the bush era and it didn't take long for people to realise how much all this warmongering was hurting their economy.. so they stopped it. granted isreal is more right wing than america but it can still happen...
either the right wing warmongers will get kicked out of politics or they will start a much bigger war. and many more innocent Jews and Arabs will die.
Oh how ironic for a Zionist apologist to freely use the word Genocide, admitting by default the atrocities carried out to the Palestinian people in his name. Genocide is a war crime.
"Genocide is considered one of the most severe crimes against humanity. It means the deliberate attempt to destroy a national, ethnic, racial or religious group.
The term was coined in 1943 by the Jewish-Polish lawyer Raphael Lemkin who combined the Greek word 'genos' (race or tribe) with the Latin word 'cide' (to kill).
After witnessing the horrors of the Holocaust - in which every member of his family except his brother and himself was killed - Dr Lemkin campaigned to have genocide recognised as a crime under international law.
His efforts led to the adoption of the UN Convention on Genocide in December 1948, which came into force in January 1951."
"Genocide is considered one of the most severe crimes against humanity. It means the deliberate attempt to destroy a national, ethnic, racial or religious group.
The term was coined in 1943 by the Jewish-Polish lawyer Raphael Lemkin who combined the Greek word 'genos' (race or tribe) with the Latin word 'cide' (to kill).
After witnessing the horrors of the Holocaust - in which every member of his family except his brother and himself was killed - Dr Lemkin campaigned to have genocide recognised as a crime under international law.
His efforts led to the adoption of the UN Convention on Genocide in December 1948, which came into force in January 1951."
but the Palestinians are already revolting, how is facebook going to change anything at this point.
is Mark Zuckerberg going to give a division of tanks to the Palestinians so that they don't get slaughtered?
of course not.. militarily Hamas will never win... I'm pretty sure they know this too.
The Israelis are right when they say Hamas is trying to score propaganda points.. the problem is that Isreal is the one giving them all the propaganda material they need.
I just really wish more Palestinians would embrace non violent resistance.
I know its easy for me to say that from my armchair living in safety but really that's the only way they can win their freedom.
with that being said... my advice is to not just look at Gaza... things are happening in the west bank and inside Isreal too.
the news is focussing on Gaza only because people are dying there... but the real battle .. the political revolution is being fought all over Isreal/Palestine and globally.
what political revolution? i don't see any political revolution coming from inside Israel, Netanyahu has the full support of almost everyone in the knesset to continue the operation.
the only resistance is from a very small minority of arab and left wing parties which have little to no electoral power.
people don't usually oppose wars in which they are beating the other side so badly.
meanwhile more and more Palestinians are being slaughtered, by the time any so called political revolution will happen Gaza will have long capitulated if only because there will be no one left alive.
the israeli's have already won, the palestinians must cut their loses and surrender unconditionally or face potential genocide.
but the Palestinians are already revolting, how is facebook going to change anything at this point.
is Mark Zuckerberg going to give a division of tanks to the Palestinians so that they don't get slaughtered?
of course not.. militarily Hamas will never win... I'm pretty sure they know this too.
The Israelis are right when they say Hamas is trying to score propaganda points.. the problem is that Isreal is the one giving them all the propaganda material they need.
I just really wish more Palestinians would embrace non violent resistance.
I know its easy for me to say that from my armchair living in safety but really that's the only way they can win their freedom.
with that being said... my advice is to not just look at Gaza... things are happening in the west bank and inside Isreal too.
the news is focussing on Gaza only because people are dying there... but the real battle .. the political revolution is being fought all over Isreal/Palestine and globally.
isreal and gaza war is not just 3 weeks long.. its been going on for decades. so where were you? and why werent you pleading for it to stop in 2008
I agree with you there.. the world didn't do enough back in 2008 and they didn't do enough to help the revolution in Syria to become a peaceful one. now look at the mess the middle east is in.
I think media control had a lot to do with people not speaking out back then... now that media control is broken and there are countless more grass roots media outlets and bloggers covering the news form all angles, the game has changed completely.
you can advocate sanctions and vote all you want, it won't change a thing.
99.9% of the population couldnt care less about the conflict and will continue buying whatever products they like, be it israeli or not.
politicians in the west have zero sympathy towards any islamists and would happily let israel do their dirty work.
the palestinines are pretty much screwed no matter what, thats why any further armed resistance is futile and only gets more palestinians killed for nothing.
I guess you haven't been watching the news in the past few years..
revolutions in Egypt, Libya, Tunisia, Uprisings in Syria and Yemen and the list goes on and on.
all of this has come about as a direct result of disruptive technologies like social media. Crypto currencies and other disruptive technologies only add to the tools that the revolutionaries can use...
these revolutions don't start out as Islamic militant movements they start out as popular uprisings against oppressive regimes and in some cases if the regime brutally cracks down on the people they turn to open armed revolt.
but the Palestinians are already revolting, how is facebook going to change anything at this point.
is Mark Zuckerberg going to give a division of tanks to the Palestinians so that they don't get slaughtered?
you can advocate sanctions and vote all you want, it won't change a thing.
99.9% of the population couldnt care less about the conflict and will continue buying whatever products they like, be it israeli or not.
politicians in the west have zero sympathy towards any islamists and would happily let israel do their dirty work.
the palestinines are pretty much screwed no matter what, thats why any further armed resistance is futile and only gets more palestinians killed for nothing.
I guess you haven't been watching the news in the past few years..
revolutions in Egypt, Libya, Tunisia, Uprisings in Syria and Yemen and the list goes on and on.
all of this has come about as a direct result of disruptive technologies like social media. Crypto currencies and other disruptive technologies only add to the tools that the revolutionaries can use...
these revolutions don't start out as Islamic militant movements they start out as popular uprisings against oppressive regimes and in some cases if the regime brutally cracks down on the people they turn to open armed revolt.
Lol nope these so called revolutions where directly fomented by occident & for israel cuz you know, they wouldnt like arabs to unite.. Divide and conquer as they say..
Enough with that democracy BS plz
you can advocate sanctions and vote all you want, it won't change a thing.
99.9% of the population couldnt care less about the conflict and will continue buying whatever products they like, be it israeli or not.
politicians in the west have zero sympathy towards any islamists and would happily let israel do their dirty work.
the palestinines are pretty much screwed no matter what, thats why any further armed resistance is futile and only gets more palestinians killed for nothing.
I guess you haven't been watching the news in the past few years..
revolutions in Egypt, Libya, Tunisia, Uprisings in Syria and Yemen and the list goes on and on.
all of this has come about as a direct result of disruptive technologies like social media. Crypto currencies and other disruptive technologies only add to the tools that the revolutionaries can use...
these revolutions don't start out as Islamic militant movements they start out as popular uprisings against oppressive regimes and in some cases if the regime brutally cracks down on the people they turn to open armed revolt.
so what, every country commits endless crimes, starting from the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki going all the way back to the crusades,
israel isn't special.
you wanna complain that its unfair that countries commit crimes? too bad, life isn't fair.
I'd call this statement infantile, but that would be an insult to infants.israel isn't special.
you wanna complain that its unfair that countries commit crimes? too bad, life isn't fair.
You're literally justifying the behaviour of a nation-state with excuses so flimsy that we don't even let toddlers use them.
"Why did you do that?"
"All the other kids were doing it too!"
"That doesn't matter."
No wonder everything's so fucked up in the world - people grow up into adults and all of a sudden start holding themselves less accountable for their behavior than they were when they were five years old.
isreal and gaza war is not just 3 weeks long.. its been going on for decades. so where were you? and why werent you pleading for it to stop in 2008 (which is when the worst happened)..
the only reason people care now is because its televised..
adding more guns an ammo by sending america in wont make things better. so making america accountable for something thousands of miles away and out of jurisdiction is not going to help.
the U.N have experience in this matter as they have been involved for the last.. pfft god knows how long. it does not need american intervention.
there is alot going on in gaza that they are not telling you on the PUBLIC news
bitcoin isn't the solution, it is too easy for Israel to interrupt internet service and without internet, bitcoin won't work.
Sounds about right although I may be incorrect and Bitcoin could work if they have a mobile connection kind of tricky.
I'm not justifying anything.
I'm saying that all countries have committed crimes for the last 3000 years and will continue to do so regardless of what anyone thinks or says,
saying that israel does that as well gives us no new information as it logically follows from it being a country.
specifically in regard to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict im saying that the palestinian leadership is either stupid or doesn't care about its own people.
Yes Hamas has no hope of beating Isreal militarily but would it surprise you to know that Hamas is not the Palestinian leadership?
they only govern half of the occupied peoples.. and that is only 1/3 of the so called "Arabs" that live on the land of Palestine/Isreal.
we are not powerless to stop this nonsense even if we are not inside Isreal/Palestine.
if you live in a westernised country you can boycott companies that support Isreal and you can vote against political parties that support Isreal.
of course by all means boycott companies and parties that support Hamas too if you can find any.
if you live anywhere in the world you can continue to use disruptive technologies like social media and bitcoin.
everything you do can help to change the world...
will Isreal back down when faced with international pressure?
probably not.
will the Isreali government be forced out of office if their economy sinks.
pretty much guaranteed.
did you see how angry the Isreali government got when the world stopped flights to tel aviv?
the rhetoric is "you cannot give in to terror"
the truth is "you are hurting our economy and we will be forced out of office.. please come back"
The Isreali economy needs world trade to survive... and they claim they don't need help from anyone.
as long as Isreal Blockades Gaza I will continue to advocate for everyone to blockade Israel through boycotts and sanctions.
you can advocate sanctions and vote all you want, it won't change a thing.
99.9% of the population couldnt care less about the conflict and will continue buying whatever products they like, be it israeli or not.
politicians in the west have zero sympathy towards any islamists and would happily let israel do their dirty work.
the palestinines are pretty much screwed no matter what, thats why any further armed resistance is futile and only gets more palestinians killed for nothing.
Should this go to politics section?
I'm not justifying anything.
I'm saying that all countries have committed crimes for the last 3000 years and will continue to do so regardless of what anyone thinks or says,
saying that israel does that as well gives us no new information as it logically follows from it being a country.
specifically in regard to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict im saying that the palestinian leadership is either stupid or doesn't care about its own people.
Yes Hamas has no hope of beating Isreal militarily but would it surprise you to know that Hamas is not the Palestinian leadership?
they only govern half of the occupied peoples.. and that is only 1/3 of the so called "Arabs" that live on the land of Palestine/Isreal.
we are not powerless to stop this nonsense even if we are not inside Isreal/Palestine.
if you live in a westernised country you can boycott companies that support Isreal and you can vote against political parties that support Isreal.
of course by all means boycott companies and parties that support Hamas too if you can find any.
if you live anywhere in the world you can continue to use disruptive technologies like social media and bitcoin.
everything you do can help to change the world...
will Isreal back down when faced with international pressure?
probably not.
will the Isreali government be forced out of office if their economy sinks.
pretty much guaranteed.
did you see how angry the Isreali government got when the world stopped flights to tel aviv?
the rhetoric is "you cannot give in to terror"
the truth is "you are hurting our economy and we will be forced out of office.. please come back"
The Isreali economy needs world trade to survive... and they claim they don't need help from anyone.
as long as Isreal Blockades Gaza I will continue to advocate for everyone to blockade Israel through boycotts and sanctions.
The choice for Gazans is not war or peace. It is whether to be killed by Israel while fighting or to surrender and then be killed.
they simply cannot surrender, if they surrender they will be killed. what happened to Yasser Arafat when he propose pease with the israeli?
they simply cannot surrender, if they surrender they will be killed. what happened to Yasser Arafat when he propose pease with the israeli?
that's not entirely true... the most powerful weapon that Palestinians have is non violent resistance.
and this is happening in Isreal, In Gaza and in the west bank.. (and all over the world)
yes I agree that many of them will die in the process..
but just like in south Africa, it is the only way they will win.. there are prisoners in Isreal making hunger strikes.. there are people peacefully marching in Isreal and the west bank. the emancipation movement is gaining strength but its is not covered by the media because the media likes to film death and explosions.
if you want to join in then keep talking to Isrealis, Jews and Palestinians. Keep supporting the people who do the countless courageous non violent acts that go unreported.
Turn off the mainstream media which is controlled by self interested lobbyists and learn for yourself what is really going on.
Israel is the only terrorist state here. Read the book, written by one of your own, I recommended then begin to form an educated opinion free of your counties usual hate filled propaganda.
all countries are terrorist states.
all countries took their land by force from someone else.
the Palestinians need to either be strong like the israelis and win their land back or surrender already accept the situation and move on with their lives.
going on a suicide war once every 2-3 years is not helping them.
I asked you to kindly read the book and educate yourself to the many many crimes of Israel in its greed for land. All clearly and concisely documented by the son of a Zionist. If you don't have the time nor money to education yourself then at least listen to his words. Israel is the terrorist state. Israel is committing war crimes. And Israel has created the largest open air concentration camp in the world. As a fellow Jew I know that there is nothing to be proud of here. And one day you will realise it.
An Israeli Generals Son speaks out against the crimes if his 'country' against the Palestinians...
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=etXAm-OylQQ
Thank you for speaking out..
in some ways, both of you are right.
its true that most countries were created from an invasion of some kind or another.
what most Pro Isreal people neglect to mention is that:
1) the Geneva convention signed in 1949 by almost every country on earth strictly prohibits this kind for practice.
saddam hussein tried to do this to Kuwait and look what happened.
2) any country in the modern age that has found relative peace with their native populations has given equal rights and full citizenship to all its people regardless of race, colour religion or creed. Isreali government policy is to continue to deny the rights of these people who were born on that land. People love to argue that this is all the fault of Hamas.. but the truth is that Non Jews in Isreal are denied full rights and Palestinians in the west bank (not controlled by Hamas and not firing rockets at is real) are denied even basic human rights.
This is not an issue about stopping the terrorism.. terrorism will always exist as long as people are brutally oppressed and you cannot stop terrorists by blowing up their entire families anyway.. it only creates more terrorists.. the IRA in northern Ireland only stopped bombing when the British government changed its policy in northern Ireland.
Everything that Isreal does is to further their policy of denying basic rights to the Palestinain people. Freedom of association, Freedom to live in peace, freedom to trade with its neighbours, freedom to vote for who they want, freedom of speech, freedom to own their own land, freedom to develop their own land, freedom to build adequate health end education services, freedom to walk down their own streets without being harassed and shot at.
Isreal wants to stop Hamas but they do not even realise they they created Hamas. before the Oslo accords there was no Hamas.
If the Isrealis negotiated and made real peace with the Palestinian authority and gave Palestinians the rights they deserve, as all human beings do, there simply would be no Hamas.
If you want to argue that all countries were created from violence then fine, but do not deny the fact that all peaceful countries only achieved peace by giving equal rights to every person born on their land regardless of race, colour or creed.
Isreal does not represent, protect or fight for all Jews.. they only Represent and protect Zionists which make about half of all Jews.
Hamas does not represent, protect or fight Palestinians.. they only represent less than 1/3 of all Palestinians who hold such extremist views.
Isreali government and Hamas are two sides of the same Right Wing Nationalist coin. Two sides that will never see the other side because they are too busy looking in the mirror and telling themselves how righteous they are.
If you really want peace then you need to discard that coin.
This is why I support all Jews, Israelis and all Palestinians who reject this senseless violence.
I am not an anti-Semitist or pro Jihadist.. I am simply a human being who believes in peace because I grew up in a peaceful country where Palestinians, Jews, Muslims and Christians live side by side and are given equal rights..
The choice for Gazans is not war or peace. It is whether to be killed by Israel while fighting or to surrender and then be killed.
they simply cannot surrender, if they surrender they will be killed. what happened to Yasser Arafat when he propose pease with the israeli?
they simply cannot surrender, if they surrender they will be killed. what happened to Yasser Arafat when he propose pease with the israeli?
so what, every country commits endless crimes, starting from the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki going all the way back to the crusades,
israel isn't special.
you wanna complain that its unfair that countries commit crimes? too bad, life isn't fair.
I'd call this statement infantile, but that would be an insult to infants.israel isn't special.
you wanna complain that its unfair that countries commit crimes? too bad, life isn't fair.
You're literally justifying the behaviour of a nation-state with excuses so flimsy that we don't even let toddlers use them.
"Why did you do that?"
"All the other kids were doing it too!"
"That doesn't matter."
No wonder everything's so fucked up in the world - people grow up into adults and all of a sudden start holding themselves less accountable for their behavior than they were when they were five years old.
I'm not justifying anything.
I'm saying that all countries have committed crimes for the last 3000 years and will continue to do so regardless of what anyone thinks or says,
saying that israel does that as well gives us no new information as it logically follows from it being a country.
specifically in regard to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict im saying that the palestinian leadership is either stupid or doesn't care about its own people.
pragmatically speaking they can not beat israel in a military conflict.
they are needlessly getting their own people killed by attempting to fight an enemy which is much stronger than them.
they would be much better off accepting defeat and taking what little land they still hold, if they disarm they could with high probability negotiate peace with israel and build a small country.
so what, every country commits endless crimes, starting from the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki going all the way back to the crusades,
israel isn't special.
you wanna complain that its unfair that countries commit crimes? too bad, life isn't fair.
I'd call this statement infantile, but that would be an insult to infants.israel isn't special.
you wanna complain that its unfair that countries commit crimes? too bad, life isn't fair.
You're literally justifying the behaviour of a nation-state with excuses so flimsy that we don't even let toddlers use them.
"Why did you do that?"
"All the other kids were doing it too!"
"That doesn't matter."
No wonder everything's so fucked up in the world - people grow up into adults and all of a sudden start holding themselves less accountable for their behavior than they were when they were five years old.
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