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October 03, 2012, 01:58:34 AM
#49
Its not only Nyan. The same goes for all its other customers too. Thats why I said, you cant just close CPA and transfer its assets to its shareholders without making whole your customers and creditors first, and thats not so easy. CPA's assets are premiums paid by its customers to get an insurance, taking those funds and forgoing the insurance is theft.

Yes CPA cant just close and renege on all its insurance  contracts.

I guess new SLA's have to be negotiated, unless there is no renegotiation clauses in the existing ones.

It might be prudent to send a notification to your community the need to hire additional insurers in order to ensure none suffer from unannounced service outage.

What say these existing clients? Their thoughts matter more than mine, of course. This thread isn't their notification is it?

 
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Wat
October 03, 2012, 01:49:59 AM
#48
Its not only Nyan. The same goes for all its other customers too. Thats why I said, you cant just close CPA and transfer its assets to its shareholders without making whole your customers and creditors first, and thats not so easy. CPA's assets are premiums paid by its customers to get an insurance, taking those funds and forgoing the insurance is theft.

Yes CPA cant just close and renege on all its insurance  contracts.
legendary
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October 03, 2012, 01:41:21 AM
#47
Its not only Nyan. The same goes for all its other customers too. Thats why I said, you cant just close CPA and transfer its assets to its shareholders without making whole your customers and creditors first, and thats not so easy. CPA's assets are premiums paid by its customers to get an insurance, taking those funds and forgoing the insurance is theft.
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October 03, 2012, 12:32:23 AM
#46
That's a totally reasonable question.

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October 03, 2012, 12:21:49 AM
#45
On the subject of nyan.a, you realise you'd need to close that before you can close CPA?  nyan.a is, after all, guaranteed by CPA - without that guarantee investors may well not wish to remain in it.

Oh - and it's still missing its 0.99 bidwall (as is Yarr with it's 1.0 one for the insurance that should have been paid out a month ago).

Read the FAQ. You asked the question and it was answered in the FAQ.

I don't know if you're a troll or just being stupid anymore, but if you ask that again I will repost this thread with you banned. Stop being a troll.

If you feel this is unfair, go read the FAQ. If you really don't see your specific question answered, then post it on the FAQ thread. I'll get around to answering it when I have time.

Which FAQ?  You make a new thread every time you have an idea - so it's kind of hard to keep track of them all.

I think you maybe misread my post anyway - I KNOW someone (not me) asked in a different thread about closing nyan.b without closing nyan.a.  But that is NOT my question here - I was asking about CPA: that IS, after all, what this thread is about.

I just checked your "closing nyan.b" thread and saw no mention of it (not surprising as my question wasn't about nyan.b".   I checked the nyancat FAQ - no mention there.  I checked the CPA FAQ - nothing at all in it.  So where is the FAQ that addresses the issue that CPA guarantees nyan.a's capital so can't really shut down before nyan.a?

I was simply pointing adding to my earlier point (that CPA has to either complete its contracts, negotiate out of the or default on them before shutting down) and giving nyan.a as an example.
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October 02, 2012, 10:46:49 PM
#44
On the subject of nyan.a, you realise you'd need to close that before you can close CPA?  nyan.a is, after all, guaranteed by CPA - without that guarantee investors may well not wish to remain in it.

Oh - and it's still missing its 0.99 bidwall (as is Yarr with it's 1.0 one for the insurance that should have been paid out a month ago).
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October 02, 2012, 08:49:14 PM
#43
Hahahaha, this is PRICELESS.

Patrick defaulted but NYAN.A is long and strong.

We saved Mircea's ass. LOL. I cannot believe this.

What exactly are you confused about in that context?
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Wat
October 02, 2012, 07:59:33 PM
#42
Should CPA close down operations and buy back shares / make a final dividend payment?
...

So here we are. CPA is stable. We're not in default. We're just floating. Adrift. BMF is okay. NYAN will likely have to be shut down because everything on GLBSE is crashing. But basically I'm at the end of my patience here. So I'm coming to the public for opinions. Do you think an insurance company is needed in Bitcoin-land? We made good money while it lasted but I'm not really willing to keep doing this if no one appreciates what we are doing. Consider this a motion. Each user name which has been registered for at least three months counts as one vote. Thanks and bye.

Yes it should shut down.  I think the only effective insurance system that can exist in bitcoin is with a binary market betting system.

Every time an asset gets created on glbse it should create a prediction market on those assets of succeed or fail.
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October 02, 2012, 07:52:40 PM
#41
Should CPA close down operations and buy back shares / make a final dividend payment?
...

So here we are. CPA is stable. We're not in default. We're just floating. Adrift. BMF is okay. NYAN will likely have to be shut down because everything on GLBSE is crashing. But basically I'm at the end of my patience here. So I'm coming to the public for opinions. Do you think an insurance company is needed in Bitcoin-land? We made good money while it lasted but I'm not really willing to keep doing this if no one appreciates what we are doing. Consider this a motion. Each user name which has been registered for at least three months counts as one vote. Thanks and bye.

Yes it should shut down.  I think the only effective insurance system that can exist in bitcoin is with a binary market betting system.
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Wat
October 02, 2012, 06:57:56 PM
#40
Every single person CPA invested money with defaulted or lost huge amounts

This sums it up rather well. Who chose to invest CPA's money with all of those people? Usagi did. Yet Usagi claims no personal responsibility for managing CPA poorly.

Nevertheless, this is precisely what WS fund managers think/claim/do. It's a sickness, apparently any gender-confused undereducated and neglected youth catches it by merely pretending to be dabbling in the same thing.

Yesterday you were thinking different porno Mircea. You are invested in both Patrick and Usagi with your CDO.
http://polimedia.us/bitcoin/mpex.php?mpsic=B.MPCD.A

Hahahaha, this is PRICELESS.

Patrick defaulted but NYAN.A is long and strong.

We saved Mircea's ass. LOL. I cannot believe this.


I have to admit this is pretty lulzy.
sr. member
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October 02, 2012, 01:28:20 PM
#39


Your original post answers your question.  You don't enjoy the business and you are losing money.  Get out as gracefully as possible.  Most business fail.  Eventually they all do.
hero member
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October 02, 2012, 12:20:39 PM
#38
I don't believe you can just shut CPA down easily.  I assume you still have some insurance policies out (not just the BMF one that you refuse to discuss or honour).  Do all those policies HAVE clauses in allowing you to just cancel without reparation?

If they all can be ended without breach of contract (including if the all the insured will reach settlement for closure where they aren't obligated to) then you CAN close - and probably should.

Otherwise you're obligated to maintain sufficient capital (properly segregated by sector as per CPA's contract) to cover all outstanding policies until they expire.  Anything else would be a default.  Remember, you can change CPA's own contract (with its investors) at any time you like - they agreed to that (last item of the contract).  But you can't unilaterally change any contracts you've signed with insurees (other than with BMF - where you're both sides of the contract and neither side has honoured it anyway).

So I vote : YES if you can without default.  Otherwise struggle on until all contracts have expired - or default if you prefer.
donator
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October 02, 2012, 09:46:54 AM
#37
Every single person CPA invested money with defaulted or lost huge amounts

This sums it up rather well. Who chose to invest CPA's money with all of those people? Usagi did. Yet Usagi claims no personal responsibility for managing CPA poorly.

Nevertheless, this is precisely what WS fund managers think/claim/do. It's a sickness, apparently any gender-confused undereducated and neglected youth catches it by merely pretending to be dabbling in the same thing.

You really change your mind very fast, porno Mircea. You are invested in both Patrick and Usagi with your CDO.
http://polimedia.us/bitcoin/mpex.php?mpsic=B.MPCD.A
hero member
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October 02, 2012, 09:37:29 AM
#36
Every single person CPA invested money with defaulted or lost huge amounts

This sums it up rather well. Who chose to invest CPA's money with all of those people? Usagi did. Yet Usagi claims no personal responsibility for managing CPA poorly.

Nevertheless, this is precisely what WS fund managers think/claim/do. It's a sickness, apparently any gender-confused undereducated and neglected youth catches it by merely pretending to be dabbling in the same thing.
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Wat
October 02, 2012, 07:26:12 AM
#35

No I did not say "you made money".


I had to re-read this part of the discussion to make sure I understood the context for this.  wow. 

Shocked

Yeah I was wondering who exactly usagi was saying made money here considering shareholders are meant to share all the profits   Smiley
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October 02, 2012, 06:54:15 AM
#34

No I did not say "you made money".


I had to re-read this part of the discussion to make sure I understood the context for this.  wow. 

Shocked
sr. member
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October 02, 2012, 06:48:44 AM
#33
Every single person CPA invested money with defaulted or lost huge amounts

This sums it up rather well. Who chose to invest CPA's money with all of those people? Usagi did. Yet Usagi claims no personal responsibility for managing CPA poorly.
legendary
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October 02, 2012, 06:38:10 AM
#32
This is about CPA, not Nyan.

As for not being a scammer; until now, as far as Nyan is concerned, you are not a scammer in the sense that you are trying to walk away with everyone's money pirate style, no. But what you are doing is constantly misleading investors and misrepresenting reality, and as a result, Investors that believe you are getting screwed, time after time.

Why you do that? Its possible you have been funneling funds to cpa, which is a black box, and you will take your profits there by liquidating it. Its also possible, likely even, its by shear incompetence. But I rather think the biggest reason is simply your ego. You dont want to acknowledge all your funds and companies are utter failures. Instead of facing up to that, you keep digging deeper holes and doubling down on bets you already lost. And you are doing so at the expense of your investors, overvaluing stuff by 2x or 10x and  going as far as buying shares (with your investors money) at 10x any reasonable valuation only to delay the inevitable conclusion.

Barely a week ago I wrote this:

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NYAN.A I get ~990 BTC, down from 1619 last week -38%
NYAN.B I get ~1500 BTC, down from 1935 last week -22%
NYAN.C is more or less stable.
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are you using 7 day average and pulling them in dynamically? If so, you now have a good idea what to look forward to next week.

And you lol'ed at it.
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This is why you should ignore puppet. He's full of it. NAV of NYAN.A down -38%?

What?

The guy's a looney :p

The looney was right though. You have since shuffled assets between Nyans and bought back bonds, but per share your nav has sunk even further. If you were to transfer assets from B to A to restore its nav to 1 as you are contractually obliged, Nyan.B would have a NAV of 0.24 per share.
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Wat
October 02, 2012, 03:53:47 AM
#31
Ya but you are a paid troll, so who cares what you think?

I wish someone would pay me for posting the truth.
But you are right, you shouldnt care about what I think. What you should care about is what your customers and creditors think. This isnt about CPA shareholders, there probably is almost no one left at this point except you and your other scams. This is about stealing what little is left of the money that belongs to your customers and creditors.
If you are going to pay yourself these funds owned by others as dividends, before making good on your debts, you will be looking at much more than just a scammer label, you will be looking at legal action and if nothing else, I will make damn sure the SEC hears about it.

If the SEC is investigating pirate and sniffing around glbse it is already fucked so I dont think reporting anyone else is going to matter.
legendary
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October 02, 2012, 03:04:16 AM
#30
Ya but you are a paid troll, so who cares what you think?

I wish someone would pay me for posting the truth.
But you are right, you shouldnt care about what I think. What you should care about is what your customers and creditors think. This isnt about CPA shareholders, there probably is almost no one left at this point except you and your other scams. This is about stealing what little is left of the money that belongs to your customers and creditors.
If you are going to pay yourself these funds owned by others as dividends, before making good on your debts, you will be looking at much more than just a scammer label, you will be looking at legal action and if nothing else, I will make damn sure the SEC hears about it.
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