Topic: Generous Source of Merit Only In Global Section. (Read 449 times)

newbie just need 28 days and 1 merit to achieve the next rank and follows but when someone is trying to contribute something towards their community they will get the recognition very soon so it will make them to be one of the recognised member in the community, if full member can be a merit source then a member can too if they actually deserves it.

I am quite confused. Why would op complain about their local board having less merit circulation compared to other local boards when op didn't even post in there. Well, we can ask op to post on Indonesian board as it is useless to complain when op himself didn't post on the local board as you have said.

Thanks for the clarification and I agree with you that  we are in new era I think theymos priorities is that Sr.Member up applying for Merit source got a chance to be accepted. Cause like you said the more you achieve high ranks you experience lot of things like giving Merit to those quality posters. But In my opinion rank doesn't matter even if you are in low rank atleast you helped those new users who've trying Thier best to post quality thread and reply.

As far as I know, the lowest rank that got his merit source application accepted was Full Member, so it's not like you have to be Legendary member with thousands of merits earned to get accepted. But it makes sense that merit sources are usually higher ranks (Sr Member and up)  as it mean you already shared quite a lot of merit and have some experience with it, and you had time to build forum reputation which is also important I think.



Those two things contradict really, being a newbie and a recognized member of the community. So it's safe to assume that no newbie has no chance of becoming a merit source.

There is no rank criteria to become merit source and the merit sources information isn't publicaly available so we also can't say that newbies can't be a merit source but the criteria from theymos is very clear collect 10 worthy post which deserve merits and you should be a recognised member in the community.

There is a thread that I created specifically to monitor the activities of the Indonesian Local Board which I regularly update at the beginning of every month from the number of post, merit distribution, and active users. You can take a closer look here if you need it for comparison. [CHART] Tampilan Bulanan Aktivitas Lokal Board Bahasa Indonesia


The merit-per-post ratio in Indonesian Local Board may be much lower than in other Local board because many post may be judged of low quality by merit source or users who typically submit merit. It's hard to find some bounty hunters posting something quality on my Local Board and maybe this make the ratio not great. But I'm happy because in the last few month we managed to keep it.

In addition, as far as I managed to notice during the time I was on the forum, the activity in local boards is often lower, since they are rarely been visited. For example, in my board (Ukrainian), new posts appear every 1-2 days. Respectively, even if you wrote a good post, it should take some time until someone notices it. In general discussions, there are more chances to draw someone's attention to your post, since many more participants are concentrated there.

It is also fair to say that among the most active local boards,  Indonesian (and Portuguese) are the the least merited ones. I haven't published this month's overview yet (should be out in a day or two) but I can say that merit/post situation in October  looks even worse than during September for their board; number of posts went up by ~30% and number of merits shared went down by ~15%. Combine that and you get 0.14 merit/post ratio, which is pretty low.

Another metric that is worth mentioning is amount of people that are part of the merit system in Indonesian board; you can clearly see that their board sticks out, among the ones with similar amount of merit shared. That number even went up in October, with Indoensian board having 28 senders and 40 merit receivers.



Based only on those numbers (and not going into quality of posts there as I don't speak Bahasa), I am not surprised that someone from Indonesian board opened this thread as we had very similar situation in my local board (Croatian) up until few months ago when we got few merit sources.

I was just going to comment on that. I just took a look at the data for the Indonesian board to compare it with our own Croatian local. Although the Indonesian guys don't have such a good merit per post ratio as we do, they have more merit senders/receivers than the Croatians, members of their local board have received 60 merits more than in ours, and they have almost double the number of posts than the Croatians. And this is just the data for September. In August, everything is reversed and we were ahead of their local.

Nevertheless, there are merits in the Indonesian local and they are being distributed. Since this is surely an alt-account of yours, no one can comment on the quality of your posts because we don't know who you are. Hopefully you are better at getting your message across in Indonesian than you are in English because most people won't be bothered to read such posts as the one in the OP.  

Based on these statistics:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/charts-brief-monthly-overview-of-the-local-boards-activity-5231446

it seems to me that there is still enough merits available in your local part of the forum, for quality posts.
Of course, if you disagree with this statement and think you need a new local merit source, then why not apply for a merit source in person?
Theymos is a reasonable person and if you can prove with arguments that your local part of the forum lacks merits for quality posts, that will be corrected.
Only a person who has the support of the local community and a good reputation on the forum should apply for a merit source.

I don't know about that cause a year ago my fellow legendary countryman applying for merit source but sad to say didn't accepted. And I don't know also about this if low ranks applying for Merit Source got accepted. Anyways that's not the problems here we can Post in global section and get merit.

If you are talking about your account then you didn't post anything in Indonesian board then how can you complain that you didn't get any merit even if you are a good poster there. Am I the only one who is confused?

Merit source become inactive is one of the reason why there is less distribution so if you feel there is enough good post but not enough merits then you can report it to merit giveaway threads or even apply yourself to become one of the merit source.

You just look funny the way you complain while you can't show any evidence of that. Based on the threads that rikafip [CHARTS] Brief monthly overview of the local boards activity keep updated on a monthly basis, I can say that your local board has become one that has over 200 merit distribution in recent month, probably far more than some of the other local board. So what's the point of you complaining, did you not get anything?

i have never entered to Indonesia local community before, but when looking at other local boards they really contribute for their forum offsprings upliftment, the major concern to the seniors there is to educate the young once, like guide on what to do, some people in different board get acquainted of the forum through their local communities communication. Indonesia old forum users help your people, I'm not from there. But it's what i have to say.

I really like this point of yours in one perspective, everyone knows it more better that accommodating Smerit don't have any help to any person that has it, Smerit is meant to be dispense to every user who are doing absolutely well, in normal circumstances, someone have to embrace it's local community first before going out to global community, shall we can't blame merit source from there specifically, because before you become a merit source during the application you will make a mentioned of specific  board your Merit will be dispense or distributes before such portfolio Will be given, but at least some who earn Merit have to be helping hands to their newbies.

I can't show quality posters from (beginners) who have difficulty getting merit on local (Indonesian) boards. but i can show quality posters (beginners) on local boards (russian, italian, croatian, india, portuguese, german, spanish) based on my observations so far.

I would like to add that you are not one of the first Indonesian to comment on this thread.


but I'm happy for the advice you recommend, next time I will try to understand how the merit system works before becoming a quality poster with (English - fluent) or other than being a quality poster.

I'm probably the first Indonesian to give a different opinion on what you're complaining about. I don't agree with your opinion because it's hard or not for you to get merit only depend on the quality of the post you have regardless of whether the board has multiple merit source or not. If you can verify the veracity of your current complaint, could you please tell me which quality posters (especially newbie) are currently having a hard time getting merit on local Indonesian boards? If you can show it to me then I will be willing to review the post and give it a merit.

One of the determining indicator to get merit is not contribution, but you just need to make quality post. You should also know that some users have high standard but I'm sure it's just some of them while others vary. I only advise you to be willing to learn how the merit system works because only then will your mindset about merit change immediately.

Keep in mind that the merit system is not moderated and you may still struggle to get merit even if you have quality post and you also can't expect to get merit on every post you make even if you consider it a quality post. I don't think you are a new user because actually you are very knowledgeable about the merit system and also you are brave enough to compare it to other local board.

The Indonesian Local board is receiving a rough average of 230 Merits over the last 5 months. Nearly double than a year ago, but well below what it was two years ago and further behind:
https://public.tableau.com/shared/N8ZPB4RJP?:display_count=n&:origin=viz_share_link

There are roughly 30 people sending merit there per recent month, and a bit above that figure receiving:
https://public.tableau.com/shared/6MMX89CW6?:display_count=n&:origin=viz_share_link

Clearly, the main Merit Source has been rather inactive over the past year, and came to a stall lately, as did another noticeable contributor there:
https://public.tableau.com/shared/SWT375326?:display_count=n&:origin=viz_share_link

Posts have been declining there over time, although that is not something specific to the Indonesian local board:
https://public.tableau.com/shared/QW3MF9X7F?:display_count=n&:origin=viz_share_link

Merit per post is rather variable, although seemingly better over the last few months than the prior:
https://public.tableau.com/shared/QJWS9N5BS?:display_count=n&:origin=viz_share_link

Now as I’ve often said, the above depicts a scenario that, on it’s own, is not enough to be properly read. You need local board context to get a better grip, relating the above to the actual content being created.

Did you mean merit source in your local board is inactive? Well, it's not anyone’s job though they have their own responsibility to share merit on good quality post. If you think someone (merit source) is inactive in terms of giving merits, you are free to apply to be a merit source if you believe your local need an active merit source. theymos may consider including you as merit source based on your judgement of sharing merits.

The main language of this forum is English and it is logical that the most important things happen in the English part of the forum, quality discussions, exchange of information, giving merits for quality posts etc.
If there is a disproportion in the local part of the forum between the number of quality posts and the number of shared merits, then someone should explain the situation here in Meta, and than I suggest that some local member, with a good reputation on the forum,  apply here for a merit source.
In this way, other local parts of the forum got their local merit source, including the Croatian part of the forum.
A few years ago, the same problem existed in the Croatian part of the forum, a lot of quality posts but lack of merits, and then I applied for merit source and when the admin accepted my request, I opened this topic in the Croatian part of the forum, https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/zbirni-topic-za-davanje-merita-za-kvalitetne-postove-i-za-korisne-informacije-4265795 where all local members can report your quality posts and get merit.
I suggest you do something similar. Theymos is a very reasonable person and if your request is justified, he will approve it.

To get Merited, you need 2 things: good posts, and people with sMerit who read them. If I can't read the posts, I can't Merit them.

I'll post this again:
Note that this has to come from an established member who's judgement on post quality I can trust (and the posters shouldn't be inactive/banned/scammers).

Well this is actually some users don't have enough merit most of Merit has been spent in previous years without regaining new merit
Because smerit is limited seniors have to choose which one is most worthy to be awarded. I also don't deny that seniors prefer to share with other seniors from new accounts.

Actually we are the same case but in my local board there's a reason why our merit source didn't active interms of giving Merit. Because they are busy in their project.  And in additional merit source in global section are More generous than our local boards because some other members didn't create a constructive thread/reply
In their respective local boards because of the campaign they partisipated cause some campaigns did not accept Post from local boards.
So the merit source decides look  constructive post in global section.

sorry the link source you shared is not working properly, when i want to access it it only leads to my profile 

There are two active Indonesian merit sources and there is an initiative thread whose every local Indonesian user is able to review each other post, to examine whether it is a merit-worthy post or not([HELP]Bantuan untuk menaikkan Rank (Newbie s.d Hero) V.2 [UPDATE]), I don't see why would it hard to get merit there, not to mention, lately there has been a user who ranked up by getting a lot of merit from local users.

In retrospect, since your account is recently made and merit-mongering, it made me suspicious that you are an alt account of the one who was once complained about not getting merits and also comparing our local board to others. Anyway, how can you able to said that it's hard to get merit in the Indonesian local board while you haven't made any post over there

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Fixed it.

Then either you lack of merit sources in your local board or people with good knowledge of your language, or may be they don't want to spend time giving merits. If it is about local, it depends on the users from your own local community if they understand your contents and see it as a (merit)worthy contribution, they will give you merits without any doubt.

Uh...there's that one thread I know of in Meta for undermerited members/posts, but the ones that get linked to there are usually posts made in English.  I'd love to be able to help OP out, but I wouldn't be able to read his posts.  But I thought the Indonesian board was pretty well-covered as far as merit sources go.  Maybe I'm mistaken.

I tend to agree with you there, but as far as posting on the forum and earning merits goes, knowing English and being able to write it correctly and coherently is a huge advantage, whether the discussion is high level or not.  Most merit sources frequent the English sections, and there probably aren't enough sources for each local board.

My advice is that if you can't write English very well, don't try to earn merits that way.  Many have tried, few have succeeded.

Frankly speaking, I fundamentally disagree with you, since I have repeatedly come across interesting technical threads in local sections that have not been duplicated or previously featured in the global section. Here's one example ... storing a backup copy of the seed-phrase in the bitcoin blockchain. I may not be as advanced as some of the people who always write in the "Bitcoin Technical Support" section, but if I had seen something like this before, I would have noticed.

I think English is probably the major language a lot of the terms related the high level computing exist too (a lot of European higher education institutions seem to teach courses in English - in some cases exclusively).

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As the others have said, a lot of local boards don't have many merit sources but a lot don't have many active users either.

I don't know if there's going to be a workaround to level up in the local boards, maybe every so often a user from local boards should post a topic in meta quoting posts of other users on their board they think deserve merit and then another user can merit them if they determine the posts to be of substance (after using translation tools or similar).

In general the language of internet is English but bitcointalk doesn't stop people from interacting in their local language that's how the local boards came into bitcointalk of I am not wrong.

When we talk about merit distribution its all subjective and number of active members in the community, number of sMerits they hold and number of merit sources are there even it depends how much share they got to spend in the monthly quota of their source merits.

But if you take number of posts vs merits then local boards are still ahead in the ratio when we compare with Global section so called main discussion including others as well.

By the way for which account you're talking about since this account has only 2 posts and none from Indonesian board.

Well, to be honest, if you want to have a high level discussion about any subject related to computer science, coding, new technology, etc you must be able to speak English, because all high level discussion happen in English.

As the best discussions are in English, it is natural that most merits will flow to the global forum.

It depends on your local board but some other local board are very generous more than global. Maybe the problem is there's only few merit source available on your local and most your local board user don't spend much posting on your local board, My comments is just an assumption since I don't visit your local board. This is same with my Local Board(Philippines), That's why most Filipino user is aiming to post quality content via global.

If you have a quality post or thread, You can post it's link some global merit thread. They are giving merits if your post is really quality even if its in your Local Board.

i don't know why it's so hard to get Merit in my local council (indonesia)..but i will be honest it's very different when i read,,then see most of the newbies in each local council can easily get Merit,,both that Non-source of Merit nor source of Merit is very generous. .

i don't mean to compare. .but the reality is like that... both the Non-source of Merit and the source Merit that I see are very generous... then what's the point he of accommodating Merit?
To be honest - I see many Indonesian members prefer to interact on the global side rather than on the local side. .

ok i know i haven't made any contribution in forum but of course i very happy and excited to show my knowledge about bitcoin,, after someone +1 for my journey in global section. .

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