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legendary
Activity: 1820
Merit: 1092
~Full-Time Minter since 2016~
May 03, 2016, 11:53:58 AM
mmm i've a couple of emails of my tickets but they are not actually a proof... i can post  a screenshot of my account http://www.sleeat.com/genesis.jpg

first part is the proof of my 5th/s
second part is the expected payout
third part is the current payout (4 cent per day lol)

i've no reason to lie (and i wish had no reason for say that they are scammers  Grin )

but actually this is the true.

i'm too lazy for find tickets history but in few words the close my 99% of my contracts because bitcoin was too low (210$)

i hope this help someone.

Have you contacted them for this issue there may be some issue in your account because some time back this happened and solved by them

i personally would like to see YOUR proof of still making good coin here bapp.
NOONE survived the difficulty rise at genesis, proof you did?
hashbought 6-7 months ago, is not even 30% roi and i doubt your getting much pay

yes i not getting huge but small amount i have around 600GHs

http://prntscr.com/azt091

this payout ..

ya dude, you have way different contracts then the original users there.
your contracts i assume are of the 0.00045 maintence fee?
most of us got older contracts and are all unpaying ;(
i actually have the same as you 600ghs and heres what mine payes ;\
sorry i dint believe you haha but heres my payouts


and that's ya 610gh/s ;(

so thats why noone recommends here man, all the old custys got SCREWED ;(
newbie
Activity: 4
Merit: 0
May 03, 2016, 11:52:30 AM
nope 4 cent per day... i've now 5th/s  plugged on my home network and i still  earn 2$ x day when i'm unlucky  and i pay 0,14 €/kWh ( very expensive)

for buy 5th/s now you spent 1200$ on genesis mining if they worth you 4 cent per day you will touch ROI after 83 years (scam imo)

do your math and make your opinion
hero member
Activity: 826
Merit: 1000
May 03, 2016, 11:48:08 AM
mmm i've a couple of emails of my tickets but they are not actually a proof... i can post  a screenshot of my account http://www.sleeat.com/genesis.jpg

first part is the proof of my 5th/s
second part is the expected payout
third part is the current payout (4 cent per day lol)

i've no reason to lie (and i wish had no reason for say that they are scammers  Grin )

but actually this is the true.

i'm too lazy for find tickets history but in few words the close my 99% of my contracts because bitcoin was too low (210$)

i hope this help someone.

Have you contacted them for this issue there may be some issue in your account because some time back this happened and solved by them

i personally would like to see YOUR proof of still making good coin here bapp.
NOONE survived the difficulty rise at genesis, proof you did?
hashbought 6-7 months ago, is not even 30% roi and i doubt your getting much pay

yes i not getting huge but small amount i have around 600GHs

http://prntscr.com/azt091

this payout ..
legendary
Activity: 1820
Merit: 1092
~Full-Time Minter since 2016~
May 03, 2016, 11:28:36 AM
mmm i've a couple of emails of my tickets but they are not actually a proof... i can post  a screenshot of my account http://www.sleeat.com/genesis.jpg

first part is the proof of my 5th/s
second part is the expected payout
third part is the current payout (4 cent per day lol)

i've no reason to lie (and i wish had no reason for say that they are scammers  Grin )

but actually this is the true.

i'm too lazy for find tickets history but in few words the close my 99% of my contracts because bitcoin was too low (210$)

i hope this help someone.

Have you contacted them for this issue there may be some issue in your account because some time back this happened and solved by them

i personally would like to see YOUR proof of still making good coin here bapp.
NOONE survived the difficulty rise at genesis, proof you did?
hashbought 6-7 months ago, is not even 30% roi and i doubt your getting much pay
hero member
Activity: 826
Merit: 1000
May 03, 2016, 10:55:06 AM
mmm i've a couple of emails of my tickets but they are not actually a proof... i can post  a screenshot of my account http://www.sleeat.com/genesis.jpg

first part is the proof of my 5th/s
second part is the expected payout
third part is the current payout (4 cent per day lol)

i've no reason to lie (and i wish had no reason for say that they are scammers  Grin )

but actually this is the true.

i'm too lazy for find tickets history but in few words the close my 99% of my contracts because bitcoin was too low (210$)

i hope this help someone.

Have you contacted them for this issue there may be some issue in your account because some time back this happened and solved by them
newbie
Activity: 4
Merit: 0
May 03, 2016, 10:45:50 AM
mmm i've a couple of emails of my tickets but they are not actually a proof... i can post  a screenshot of my account http://www.sleeat.com/genesis.jpg

first part is the proof of my 5th/s
second part is the expected payout
third part is the current payout (4 cent per day lol)

i've no reason to lie (and i wish had no reason for say that they are scammers  Grin )

but actually this is the true.

i'm too lazy for find tickets history but in few words the close my 99% of my contracts because bitcoin was too low (210$)

i hope this help someone.
hero member
Activity: 826
Merit: 1000
May 03, 2016, 09:39:04 AM
yep i've learned the lesson

not sure how but i have using them for more then 6-7 month and without any problem ..and getting bitcoin ..daily ..you can provide some proof that you have 3THs with them ..invested ..because its to possible to close account suddenly ..
newbie
Activity: 4
Merit: 0
May 03, 2016, 09:06:30 AM
yep i've learned the lesson
copper member
Activity: 1442
Merit: 529
May 03, 2016, 07:29:08 AM
this is my experience with them....i've invested in 5TH/s  lifetime contract after 6 month the bitcoin prize has gone down  for 1 month and they have closed my contract forever even if the bitcoin price has gone up again.

we all known that btc in one year can lose  easily 50% of his value so IMO:

NO chance to get  ROI  DO NOT INVEST

ive lost almost 500$ with my first contract .... so guys be carefull

I am sorry for you loss, looks like the exact thing they do to every one who buys a lot of hashing power. "Oh we are sorry but difficulty has increased, bitcoin price has gone down, so your miner is not profitable anymore so we are shutting it off".
Thats why you should always do your homework to try to learn as much as possible for the site where intend to invest. Based on your account I see you become interested to know about them after them scamming you.
newbie
Activity: 4
Merit: 0
May 03, 2016, 06:26:35 AM
this is my experience with them....i've invested in 5TH/s  lifetime contract after 6 month the bitcoin prize has gone down  for 1 month and they have closed my contract forever even if the bitcoin price has gone up again.

we all known that btc in one year can lose  easily 50% of his value so IMO:

NO chance to get  ROI  DO NOT INVEST

ive lost almost 500$ with my first contract .... so guys be carefull
full member
Activity: 263
Merit: 131
April 24, 2016, 01:22:07 PM
You should not even compare Hashnest with Genesis Mining in the first place. Why? Because if you buy (imaginative figures) 10 THS in Genesis , then your money is stuck with them, and maybe they shut down your miner after 2-3 months saying its not anymore profitable, guess what you lost big. Different with Hashnest where you can trade your mining power.

But what I understand from Hashnest that even the Hash you can buy and sell has already a fix maintaince fee.
That is the reason why some Hash-offers are cheaper comparing to other offers per Hash.
No offer on Hashnest sold from a customer would ever give me ROI.

Only if the btc price would rise (but in this case I just can invest in bitcoins, too)
or
if the new asic chips from newcomer to b2c market coming soon will flop and bitmain has not the need of release their 16/14/12/10nm - then the bitcoin split will lift up the bitcoin chart and nothing will happen.

I think it was bitfury annoucing to send the 16nm chips to retailer since march 2016.
And who was the 14nm company? (forgot it - was another mining farm company with ideads of an own asic chip - have to look up my 1000 favorite bookmarks)
Anyways, they just said more information will follow soon on 14nm.
16nm seems to be out to system builders, retailers, engieneer ... , but we will see if a b2c machine will follow.
The retailers can sell to the public, but they dont have to and can use the advantage first to themselves, then to other business partner with high invests and then to all - at the end Wink

If those two will fail for private customer market and no one else I didnt see or forgot at this point will open up with a new chip I didnt see the need of bitmain to release somethink more effective out of the desk Wink
In this case my own S7 will stay positive and a mining offer will stay good, too. Does not matter if Genesis in Iceland or Antpool @China.
If not and hash power will loose effectivity, both ways are no longer nice and you have to invest in new hardware or hashpower, because of a contract end.

6cent of power cost is nice @Genesis
My are 0.00 - limited - but enough free power left Tongue

I decided to invest in own GPU-machines for some Scrypt, Scrpt-N, Quark or whatever - or some more ASIC for SHA256(d) - I will see.

First I will await ...
... 1) new asics and tests about them. I am not in a hurry and I am fine with batch #3 or higher Wink
... 2) the bitcoin split

I think its time to relax and wait a little bit. Bitcoin is climbing already, slow, but up, up, up, down, up, up => up Smiley
And how the market really will change - no one can say 100%. Its bitcoin :p
copper member
Activity: 1442
Merit: 529
April 22, 2016, 02:47:22 AM
You should not even compare Hashnest with Genesis Mining in the first place. Why? Because if you buy (imaginative figures) 10 THS in Genesis , then your money is stuck with them, and maybe they shut down your miner after 2-3 months saying its not anymore profitable, guess what you lost big. Different with Hashnest where you can trade your mining power.
full member
Activity: 263
Merit: 131
April 20, 2016, 05:10:53 PM
For everyone who thinks Genesis has stopped paying.  Go to your history, you probably do not have enough hashrate to get the daily payout minimum.  You are still getting paid, you just aren't noticing it because like I said you do not have enough hashrate for a daily payout.  As for everything else, I tend to not like 1 year contracts because they can fluctuate too wildly.  The whole point of a "Lifetime" Contract is more for those who are in it for the long haul.  If you want quick and dirty find someplace else, granted you are not going to find much that will do that unless your willing to take risks in something like HashOcean or some such thing.

So let's say you invest a couple hundred into Genesis and get daily payouts of .0001 or something and all the sudden one BTC is worth $1500, your ROI radically decreased all the sudden.  That's what people who invest in something like this typically are looking at.

Are you sure???
gm is 100% scam because it is clear from the very beginning that you will never get ROI !!!
End of January I receive the following message:
-------------------
I am sorry to tell you that the maintenance fee overpassed the payouts due to the last difficultyincrease on 13th. Jan.
I calculated your mining results on coinwarz.com:
http://www.coinwarz.com/cryptocurrency/?sha256hr=22&sha256p=0.00&sha256pc=0.0000&sha256c=true
result was this:

BTC / USD rate: 380 Hashpower (GHs): 22
Maintenancefee USD: 0,044 0,002 per GHs
Maintenancefee BTC: 0,00011579
Coinwarz.com result BTC: 0,00009218
Maintenancefee BTC: 0,00011579
Result minus fee BTC: -0,00002361

so you had an negative payout since then, because the maintenance fee was higher than the mining result.
As it is stated in the terms of contract, your contract will be terminated in case there are more than consecutive 20 days no payouts.
--------------------
The Big Question is: what includes this "Maintenance fee" and how and who calculate this???!!!
It is definitely not a fair play from gm side!!!
I finish with my investments in "cloud mining" - better to invest into mining hardware myself!!!

Yes, too hard get ROI invest in cloud mining and in all cloud mining case no one get a profit or get back their money. i hope your calculation will make anyone think first before they put a money in cloud mining.

due to recnet increase in difficultly level ..getting roi take longer then we expected ..so you have to wait for long time to get roi

... and while waiting longer to get your ROI there will be a new chip out and your contract ends, because of the terms.
I understand who will earn the money 100% safe. The casino --- I mean the farm Wink
The point: If there would be a lot of gold coming out of a mine - why share and take money/bitcoins for it? Wink

Finally I got it and for now I wont spend money in it.
I think if a farm is very very new (new machines, new chip etc.) then it can work with a fresh new contract.
And its fair, because you help to build the farm with your money.
At this point (bitcoin split - new asics incoming etc.) - no thank you.

Now I want an asic with 10nm chip tech. + living inside a powerplant Cheesy
hero member
Activity: 826
Merit: 1000
April 19, 2016, 11:02:39 PM
For everyone who thinks Genesis has stopped paying.  Go to your history, you probably do not have enough hashrate to get the daily payout minimum.  You are still getting paid, you just aren't noticing it because like I said you do not have enough hashrate for a daily payout.  As for everything else, I tend to not like 1 year contracts because they can fluctuate too wildly.  The whole point of a "Lifetime" Contract is more for those who are in it for the long haul.  If you want quick and dirty find someplace else, granted you are not going to find much that will do that unless your willing to take risks in something like HashOcean or some such thing.

So let's say you invest a couple hundred into Genesis and get daily payouts of .0001 or something and all the sudden one BTC is worth $1500, your ROI radically decreased all the sudden.  That's what people who invest in something like this typically are looking at.

Are you sure???
gm is 100% scam because it is clear from the very beginning that you will never get ROI !!!
End of January I receive the following message:
-------------------
I am sorry to tell you that the maintenance fee overpassed the payouts due to the last difficultyincrease on 13th. Jan.
I calculated your mining results on coinwarz.com:
http://www.coinwarz.com/cryptocurrency/?sha256hr=22&sha256p=0.00&sha256pc=0.0000&sha256c=true
result was this:

BTC / USD rate: 380 Hashpower (GHs): 22
Maintenancefee USD: 0,044 0,002 per GHs
Maintenancefee BTC: 0,00011579
Coinwarz.com result BTC: 0,00009218
Maintenancefee BTC: 0,00011579
Result minus fee BTC: -0,00002361

so you had an negative payout since then, because the maintenance fee was higher than the mining result.
As it is stated in the terms of contract, your contract will be terminated in case there are more than consecutive 20 days no payouts.
--------------------
The Big Question is: what includes this "Maintenance fee" and how and who calculate this???!!!
It is definitely not a fair play from gm side!!!
I finish with my investments in "cloud mining" - better to invest into mining hardware myself!!!

Yes, too hard get ROI invest in cloud mining and in all cloud mining case no one get a profit or get back their money. i hope your calculation will make anyone think first before they put a money in cloud mining.

due to recnet increase in difficultly level ..getting roi take longer then we expected ..so you have to wait for long time to get roi
hero member
Activity: 560
Merit: 500
April 19, 2016, 10:33:29 PM
For everyone who thinks Genesis has stopped paying.  Go to your history, you probably do not have enough hashrate to get the daily payout minimum.  You are still getting paid, you just aren't noticing it because like I said you do not have enough hashrate for a daily payout.  As for everything else, I tend to not like 1 year contracts because they can fluctuate too wildly.  The whole point of a "Lifetime" Contract is more for those who are in it for the long haul.  If you want quick and dirty find someplace else, granted you are not going to find much that will do that unless your willing to take risks in something like HashOcean or some such thing.

So let's say you invest a couple hundred into Genesis and get daily payouts of .0001 or something and all the sudden one BTC is worth $1500, your ROI radically decreased all the sudden.  That's what people who invest in something like this typically are looking at.

Are you sure???
gm is 100% scam because it is clear from the very beginning that you will never get ROI !!!
End of January I receive the following message:
-------------------
I am sorry to tell you that the maintenance fee overpassed the payouts due to the last difficultyincrease on 13th. Jan.
I calculated your mining results on coinwarz.com:
http://www.coinwarz.com/cryptocurrency/?sha256hr=22&sha256p=0.00&sha256pc=0.0000&sha256c=true
result was this:

BTC / USD rate: 380 Hashpower (GHs): 22
Maintenancefee USD: 0,044 0,002 per GHs
Maintenancefee BTC: 0,00011579
Coinwarz.com result BTC: 0,00009218
Maintenancefee BTC: 0,00011579
Result minus fee BTC: -0,00002361

so you had an negative payout since then, because the maintenance fee was higher than the mining result.
As it is stated in the terms of contract, your contract will be terminated in case there are more than consecutive 20 days no payouts.
--------------------
The Big Question is: what includes this "Maintenance fee" and how and who calculate this???!!!
It is definitely not a fair play from gm side!!!
I finish with my investments in "cloud mining" - better to invest into mining hardware myself!!!

Yes, too hard get ROI invest in cloud mining and in all cloud mining case no one get a profit or get back their money. i hope your calculation will make anyone think first before they put a money in cloud mining.
full member
Activity: 263
Merit: 131
April 19, 2016, 05:49:34 PM
From what I am seeing it looks like HashNest has a maintenance Fee of $0.0005796 GHS/Day and Genesis is currently at $0.00055 GHS/Day.  So currently the more profitable one is Genesis, but the caveat there is that you cannot sell your Hashrate at a later date like you can on HashNest.  

Seems correct.
From what I am seeing it looks like HashNest has a maintenance Fee of $0.0005796 GHS/Day and Genesis is currently at $0.00055 GHS/Day.  So currently the more profitable one is Genesis, but the caveat there is that you cannot sell your Hashrate at a later date like you can on HashNest.  


Ok - I think I got it. Thank you for the information.

P.S.: A pitty - there is no "Thank you" or "Thumbs up" or "Give point" button in here  Wink
legendary
Activity: 1890
Merit: 1031
April 12, 2016, 04:55:59 PM
From what I am seeing it looks like HashNest has a maintenance Fee of $0.0005796 GHS/Day and Genesis is currently at $0.00055 GHS/Day.  So currently the more profitable one is Genesis, but the caveat there is that you cannot sell your Hashrate at a later date like you can on HashNest. 
Seems correct.
member
Activity: 92
Merit: 10
April 12, 2016, 04:51:06 PM
From what I am seeing it looks like HashNest has a maintenance Fee of $0.0005796 GHS/Day and Genesis is currently at $0.00055 GHS/Day.  So currently the more profitable one is Genesis, but the caveat there is that you cannot sell your Hashrate at a later date like you can on HashNest. 
full member
Activity: 263
Merit: 131
April 12, 2016, 04:21:40 PM
Ok, thank you. That helped me 100% Cool <-- I got it   Wink

Hashnest just had a better overview before buying - even for old contracts on the market. Just didnt get the PicMAC (or whatever) - anyways sold out.

But was not sure if I should take Genesis or Hash and before your answer it was like: Hashnest, because at genesis are no public fee´s on the page and I really dont want to register with half the net before a decision Wink

Anyways. I will wait 60 days to spend my savings and until then I continue mining with my small farm on antpool.
I dont want to stop my farm, but I dont want to let it grow either. (getting to warm if more will follow)

I will first wait for the next btc-split. I promise upgoing price of BTC after it - but I am not sure and so --- I will buy some GH/s soon on a cloud.
Maybe in 2 weeks some testing 10GH/s here and 10GH/s there and just see what the daily withdraw is after 30 days ^^

Or is there such an active comparison with a reward history of Hash vs. Genesis?
member
Activity: 92
Merit: 10
April 11, 2016, 12:02:26 PM
Hi folks.

I registered because of your post, the last answers and really I read it 10x times - I didn´t get it.
Hope my english is not to worse.  Shocked Huh

Lifetime is lifetime, but ..
1. There are maintaince fee´s. OK, got it.
2. If you didnt get enough BTC because of reward down from 25 to 12,5 or new machines are on the market mining more efficient then your fees can get higher then your income. Got it.

If I buy 100MH/s (for ex.) today with a fee of 1mBTC (just example prices!)
And another 100MH/s in 90 days with a fee of 0.5mBTC (because network has a new 10TH/s miner for just USD 300,-  Grin Cool )

... what will happen with my upgrade.
Is it 200MH/s with 0.5mB fee or is it a mix and 0.75mB fee.
OR MORE BAD is it 200MH/s but with the old fee of 1mB (in this case it would be smart to do a new account before every upgrade after a time or after fee is set higher)

And, well ... fee up - fee down ... where can I see the today fee`s? The yesterday fee`s?  Huh Cry
I got the tomorrow fee`s for you if you donate me 1BTC  Tongue Roll Eyes (1000% cashout --- cannot read this shi...ning words anylonger) --- back to topic.

Will the fee´s always stay the same for 1 MH/s?
I would answers YES because some years ago you were the king with 50MH/s - then with 1 GH/s ----- 4.73 TH/s with Ant-S7 now is standard (shocking) -----
And I could bet - the No. 1 can always get the No. 2 or 3 again, if someone else is really smart (so not me, but somebody)  Roll Eyes Tongue

So please give me a short hint WHERE I can see the fee before buying.
And what is happening while updating / upgrading your GH/s contract with your fee´s. (Old, Mix or new)

Example is for GM for the Lifetime only. (not for X11 or ETH - anyways gpu-mining and they have no lifetime)

Thank you in advanced if you have any ideas.

For the current Fees on the Hashrate you are purchasing you have to get to the upgrade hashpower than go to checkout, than select View Agreement Toward the bottom of the page and it will tell you the Fees.

To view your fees on older Hashrate you can go to your My Account link and in the drop down list go to My Orders and than you scroll down to find your Orders and you can View each individual contract which should tell you what Fee was attached to the old hashrate you have.

As far as the actual Fees go. Basically the old Hashrate will always be at the set fee they where when you bought it.  If say a new Miner with better fees comes out and you go ahead and buy that, the new Hashrate will be at the new Fee Rate.  So it would be a mix than, your old Hashrate will be at the higher rate, the newer hashrate would be at the new rate.  So for instance say you buy 100 GH/s now at 0.006 for Fees, than later on a new one comes out and the fee for 100 GH/s would be 0.0001, the old hashrate will still be .006 but the new would be .0001.

You can view the Contract Agreement before the Purchase but you do need to add it to the Cart before you can actually see what Fee is included on the Hashrate your trying to buy.

Hope that helped clear up any questions you had about that.
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