Topic: Germany League - Bundesliga Prediction Thread - page 2687. (Read 670629 times)

I hope that no spectators are admitted yet. First a vaccine has to be found. Otherwise there will be a corona escalation in the Bundesliga and in German cities. our health is more important than sports. and maybe there will be a vaccine for christmas from santa claus

Weren't there already around 5000 fans in the stadium when Paris played against St. Etienne in the league cup final just a few days ago? They showed what is possible and I think that's the way things will be going: If any at all, we will start with a relatively small number of fans and then the official will decide step by step to increase the number of fans in the stadiums. No way is a full stadium at the beginning of the season in September going to happen like Union Berlin is planning it.

Ofc all this assuming the whole Corona situation won't get worse. If we see a second wave of infections after everyone is coming home from their summer holidays, the idea of letting fans return will be off the table quickly. Then we are talking about not even restarting/continueing the season. You can see it in Spain and Switzerland. If people get to careless it's always possible that virus can spread in a team. And then the whole schedule collapses like a house of cards.

If it keeps going with new Infections in Germany and the whole World i guess they dont will make that happend that the Fans will get back into the Stadiums.
And if they allow that some fans can get in they maybe just let 1000 or 2000 in and this would be possible the VIP ones.
But you cant say at the moment realy anything , for sure it would be nice to have some fans in there but is that the right thing ?

Some fans might return to the Bundesliga stadiums sooner than later. Let's see what kind of health/corona concepts the 36 Bundesliga clubs will present on the extraordinary general meeting next Tuesday.


Source: https://twitter.com/iMiaSanMia/status/1288053980430569472

Wow thanks for the News and Information on that @bct_ail !

After i have readed i just imagined whats going on when Byaern Munich plays against Hoffenheim and Hoffenheim win this game. LOL 
Guess and hopefully he will take the Team forward and get better as they already are.
Maybe we see some transfers from the second team from Bayern to Hoffenheim also ?

Hoffenheim has a new chef coach. It is Sebastian Hoeneß. He is the son from Dieter Hoeneß. His last station was Bayern Munich where he was the coach from the second team.
https://www.swr.de/sport/fussball/1899-hoffenheim/artikel-tsg-1899-hoffenheim-neuer-trainer-sebastian-hoeness-100.html

yeah, but that kind of pressure is making them champions, isn't it?
i clearly doubt that a player with great fitness and skills could become champion, if he does not have that something in the head, that will made him to do the best at the most important moment, and do that many times, not just once, as many that strike superb on one ocassion and than nothing in the rest of career, would think on Karel Poborsky for example

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4MjBpCUhiE

back to topic, there is a lot of difference between first and second league in any country, and player has to be ready to play with the best, that is why some players from Zweite division cannot play in Bundesliga

True on that , specialy for the example " Schnatterer from Hoffenheim " and the same was it in the past with Marek Mintal from Nürnberg !
But sometimes this changes can make the difference that the player will get out of his Ass and he get stronger and better, but depends on the team and all around the player.
Deislers problem was the lot of injuries he has got.

https://www.transfermarkt.de/sebastian-deisler/verletzungen/spieler/337

But unfortunately many fans often don't understand that. It is not only the pressure before the game, but also during and after it. How many spectators insult a player because he simply doesn't score a goal today? How many media write very negatively about a player and thereby contribute to opinion? Of course the players are trained professional, but they are all humans and mistakes can happen.

Ok, I wasn't necessarily referring to mental illness (Deisler was probably a bad example, Sternkopf had no "real" mental issues I think, he just wasn't ready for it), but more to general mental pressure, with which players deal differently and I don't see Kruse having any problems at all in that regard.

But still the environment and dynamics in a club change all the time. You have new coaches, new players, new staff, maybe a new stadium, different status quo of the club in general, you will live in a different home than at your first stint etc. And here I think you will always have the risk of a player not working out - if it's a comeback at the club or the first time. So if you are too scared with this, then you can basically not sign any player ever

But then again you have players that just fit in a certain club or league. Schnatterer from Heidenheim wouldn't work anywhere else I think (we will never know) and a striker like Terodde is a super good player for 2. Bundesliga, but just can't get anything going in Bundesliga. I think it will be the same for Fabian Klos and am curious to see how he will do next season.

I agree that every player will feel nervous when the game starts, especially if they will face a stronger team. And every player has
his own way to overcome the nervousness that is faced, even we as supporter will feel nervous before our favorite team plays.
So imagine the players in the field are definitely far more nervous. Therefore feel nervousness is a normal thing, the most important
thing is we are able to control it so as not to disturb the game on the field.

@tyKiwanuka it’s pretty normal for a player to feel a bit nervous before the game starts, and that’s because they’re only humans after all, and it is these emotions that later on make them stronger on the pitch. Also many player’s have certain superstitions (rituals) too which they keep on doing for good luck, and again I would repeat that it’s normal for them to do it because even we do it when we’re under pressure.

Sources:

https://www.dw.com/en/superstitious-soccer-weird-rituals-on-the-football-pitch/a-44287460

I was not referring to mental illness. I meant that sometimes the environment is not what it used to be.


Oh yes, Robert Enke. That was 10 years ago last year. Even after all this time, I still feel sad when I read about it.

So @Trofo, while I think your examples are on point, I also think your list is only covering a very small part of the players. For most of the players from the Bundesliga, I am not sure in which of your groups I would put them. I would even say that you only described the extremes. When a player like Mertesacker already struggled with nervousness and was feeling pressured, I am sure a lot of other players have the same feeling and not all can brush it off like Ibrahimovic and Co. And as a fan you cannot know how these players feel at all.

The examples @tyKiwanuka mentioned, Deisler and Sternkopf, did, in the end, turn out relatively well. Someone who comes into my mind when I think about this topic is Robert Enke. Can still remember how shocked I was when I heard about his suicide.

Nobody knows what his reasons were in the end and the death of his daughter was certainly a stroke of fate that only a few can cope with. But when his father says that he suffered from a fear of failure at a young age already, this constant pressure to perform in football has certainly had a significant impact. Especially as a goalkeeper when every mistake will most likely lead to a goal.

That's why I can't understand it when frustrated fans start to insult/attack a single player directly.  Football is a team sport, you win together, you lose together.

It is true for some of the best players but there is also a lot of players for which I believe that isn't true, I'll sort them in the few groups:
-The kind of players who are let's say a "bit empty between" the ears and they don't understand that a lot of people expect something of them and maybe even wouldn't care if they did understand - example: Balotelli
-Players who are "larger than life" usually accompanied with an ego the size of football pitch - example: Ibrahimovic
-Players who live for the biggest matches and they show their true potential mostly in this high expectations environment: example: this category leaves a bit of room for arguments but I feel Vardy deserves a mention here, he has a knack to score against better teams while often falls short against weaker opposition. Di Maria is also one of them, especially since he joined PSG

Sorry for no examples from German league, but I feel that above mentioned prove my point in best possible way.

With this in mind, you can then never sign a player basically There have been players in the past - Sternkopf and Deisler come to my mind - who folded under the pressure, but in general you can expect pro footballers to deal ok-ish with all the pressure they have; at least performance-wise; what really goes on in their head, you will never know.

I once heard an interview from I think Per Mertesacker, who said, that even the best players are ultra nervous before matches and have to visit the bathroom frequently

I would love to see Kruse back at Werder, because he fits there very well. Werder officials know him and I trust them to assess all circumstances properly. He won't be cheap, but I think he is willing to sign for some discount to play at Werder and in Bundesliga again. And he doesn't strike me as someone who has a lot of issues with pressure. Seems like a cool dude, who also likes the temptations outside of football and isn't what you would call a role model of a professional football player. If it would work out in the end for Werder, you never know, but if he is affordable, they should sign him imo.

today is the draw for the 1st round of the dfb cup.
there will be a little something special...
in a total of 23 lottery balls there will be only one placeholder instead of a club, only 41 of the 64 first round teams have been decided so far.
90 clubs are currently eligible for 23 free places - we'll see which clubs will be the lucky ones on august 22th for the 23 free spots

https://www.kicker.de/780260/artikel/kuriose_dfb_pokal_auslosung_23_kugeln_ohne_klub

What if his return makes him worse? I mean, that has happened often before. Someone comes back to his club and then the pressure is too much for the player.

the regional newspaper weser-kurier reports about new rumours between werder bremen and Max Kruse
i hope that MK will return to werder bremen after only one year of absence - this guy will definitely made this team stronger

https://www.weser-kurier.de/werder/werder-bundesliga_artikel,-es-ist-ein-positiver-aspekt-_arid,1925184.html

Dieter Hecking was already at Nürnberg as Coach and he has done a good Job and work at this time, would be a good option for sure .
Dont know how this Schmedes are and how he is , but they will hopefully get the right one and bring some new wind into the Club.