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Quote from: Dzigie on May 13, 2024, 05:30:06 PM

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They are players with a lot of ambition and they are trying to score more and more goals day by day. They reflected this on the field in the Bochum match. Bayer Leverkusen has a great understanding. They are undefeated this year with Xabi and if it continues like this, we should seriously consider the possibility of doing so next year as well.

They had a great season this year but I don't expect them to be that good next season because other teams will be more careful against them now. They have 3 games left this season. They have one game left in the league, they will play the German Cup final and they will play the UEFA Europa League final. They are very close to finishing this season undefeated. That would be an extraordinary record. No doubt it will not be easy for another team to break this record. Bayer Leverkusen are making history.

The championship is the most important achievement. Bayer Leverkusen did this in the League and I am sure they will do it in the German Cup. I may be skeptical about the European league because Atalanta is a tough opponent in the European league final. They will be the toughest team in these 3 matches. Maybe there will be a defeat against them, but I don't think there will be a defeat against other teams.

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Quote from: Silence Scream on May 13, 2024, 04:20:13 PM

They are players with a lot of ambition and they are trying to score more and more goals day by day. They reflected this on the field in the Bochum match. Bayer Leverkusen has a great understanding. They are undefeated this year with Xabi and if it continues like this, we should seriously consider the possibility of doing so next year as well.

A possibility of doing that again next season will surely be considered but we don’t know how doable it will be again by next season. We have seen clubs doing well in one season and then the following season, get begin to perform poorly again. Most of this happens with teams that come out of no where to shine and become undefeated in a season no one expects them. They don’t usually keep up with that consistency. The situation of Bayern Leverkusen may not be the same as others as we have seen a new tactical approach by the team and by a new coach that hasn’t got his name written down in history, so maybe their method will be sustainable for long and won’t just die off like other teams that have risen and dies immediately. I have hope in Bayern Leverkusen even though the next season will seem a bit difficult for them than this season.

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I don’t think so, Xabi Alonso staying back for another season can easily convince his best players to stay but sometimes you can’t be so sure if they’ll want to wait for another season when they see an opportunity to join a big club when an offer comes. When small teams like this begin to dominate, most of their best players are sold out to bigger teams and they become amateur teams like they used to be before now. I hope small teams can learn to keep their players and increase their pays to make them stay back. You won’t blame the teams in some instances, they sell them off because they can sustain all of them as they’ll ask for higher pays after their outstanding performances and a lot of better offers coming from big teams and ready to pay of their release clause. I hope things will change in football in that regards soon to have a more competitive and even game throughout the season and not just one team side benefiting year after year.

It is common in football that when a small club successfully transforms into a strong club capable of challenging for the title, there will always be a temptation from big teams to recruit their players. His increasing market value made clubs start to be tempted by the offers that came to their players, most of the players who had dreams of playing for a big team chose to leave just to fulfill their wish. Leverkusen must learn from the experiences experienced by Napoli and Leicester City, these two teams were unable to maintain their performance in the following season due to several core players being poached by other clubs.

Leverkusen has just made new history, in my opinion Xabi Alonso's decision was very correct to continue his career with Leverkusen. The existence of Xabi Alonso and supported by the achievements achieved this season has made other players increasingly interested in joining Leverkusen and will further increase competition in the race for the title.

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Quote from: TopT3ns on May 13, 2024, 06:59:04 PM

Bayer Leverkusen did give a surprise to its supporters because they managed to win this season. As long as the coach that Bayer Leverkusen has is Xabi Alonso, then of course he will still give his best guidance and try to win again next season. Currently, Bayern Munich's toughest opponent is not in their best condition, making it very easy for Leverkusen to win in the Bundesliga this season.

Apart from Bayer Leverkusen's rivals who are in poor and unfavorable conditions, everyone also has to admit the ability and level of consistency that Bayer Leverkusen has this season. So the impression is not only about the weakness of Bayer Leverkusen's rivals this season, but also includes the efforts and extraordinary efforts of the Leverkusen coach this season in providing the best tricks to all his players so that up to now Leverkusen is still unbeaten by any team they have faced this season.

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Quote from: Dzigie on May 13, 2024, 05:30:06 PM

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They are players with a lot of ambition and they are trying to score more and more goals day by day. They reflected this on the field in the Bochum match. Bayer Leverkusen has a great understanding. They are undefeated this year with Xabi and if it continues like this, we should seriously consider the possibility of doing so next year as well.

They had a great season this year but I don't expect them to be that good next season because other teams will be more careful against them now. They have 3 games left this season. They have one game left in the league, they will play the German Cup final and they will play the UEFA Europa League final. They are very close to finishing this season undefeated. That would be an extraordinary record. No doubt it will not be easy for another team to break this record. Bayer Leverkusen are making history.

Bayer Leverkusen did give a surprise to its supporters because they managed to win this season. As long as the coach that Bayer Leverkusen has is Xabi Alonso, then of course he will still give his best guidance and try to win again next season. Currently, Bayern Munich's toughest opponent is not in their best condition, making it very easy for Leverkusen to win in the Bundesliga this season.

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Quote from: Silence Scream on May 13, 2024, 04:20:13 PM

They are players with a lot of ambition and they are trying to score more and more goals day by day. They reflected this on the field in the Bochum match. Bayer Leverkusen has a great understanding. They are undefeated this year with Xabi and if it continues like this, we should seriously consider the possibility of doing so next year as well.

Leverkusen ambitions this season have proven strong as they managed to break Bayern Munich dominance in the Bundesliga. Of course it is quite difficult to become champions in the Bundesliga because Bayern Munich is so strong, but this season Leverkusen managed to prove that they managed to do it. Yes, as you said, they continue to set records by being undefeated, even the players are quite hungry for goals by beating their opponents with big scores. Xabi Alonso skills are quite impressive because he succeeded in bringing Leverkusen to become strong in the Bundesliga and European leagues.

It is very likely that if Xabi stays with Leverkusen, of course Leverkusen will be able to maintain their good performance next season. Moreover, next season Leverkusen will compete in the Champions League, of course they have to improve their strength. So, if you look at Leverkusen ambitions, of course they are chasing the European League trophy this season because it will be a historic season for them if they succeed in becoming European League champions.

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Quote from: Silence Scream on May 13, 2024, 04:20:13 PM

They are players with a lot of ambition and they are trying to score more and more goals day by day. They reflected this on the field in the Bochum match. Bayer Leverkusen has a great understanding. They are undefeated this year with Xabi and if it continues like this, we should seriously consider the possibility of doing so next year as well.

They had a great season this year but I don't expect them to be that good next season because other teams will be more careful against them now. They have 3 games left this season. They have one game left in the league, they will play the German Cup final and they will play the UEFA Europa League final. They are very close to finishing this season undefeated. That would be an extraordinary record. No doubt it will not be easy for another team to break this record. Bayer Leverkusen are making history.

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Leverkusen have 1 more game to get the perfect record of the Bundesliga champion without losing. That gives them another chance to get 3 champions this season. DFB Pokal and Europa League. A perfect achievement for Xabi Alonso. Today they got a 5-goal win against Bochum. They dominated the game so much, even Bochum didn't have a shot on goal. Interestingly I want to wait for Xabi's action next season, because many teams cannot secure the championship in the next season. Because there will probably be a lot of players who leave because of the outstanding performances.

Yes that's right. Currently Bayer Leverkusen only has three games left in all competitions to create something that has never happened in European football, the Invincible Treble. The three matches were against Augsburg (Bundesliga), against Kaiserslautern (DFB Pokal final) and against Atalanta (UEL final). If Xabi Alanso can do all that, he will make new history for Leverkusen and it might be difficult for other Bundesliga teams to beat him.

Actually just a few matches for Bayer Leverkusen for them to drop a big story in Bundesliga this season which i i don't think any teams don ever done that before in Bundesliga xabi Alanso has turn Bayern Leverkusen to the great teams this season with so much effort that him use for Bayer Leverkusen and keep the team team remain standard without beating them.

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As for next season, I think as long as it hasn't been overhauled, everything is still okay, because of course Xabi won't just let his players go. Even if a player leaves, he will buy new players, at least buy replacement players whose quality is "possibly" above the players who left. Or even if no regular players leave, maybe Xabi will still buy players to strengthen the depth of the squad. So next season Leverksuen will still be a strong team both in the Bundesliga and in the UCL league because Xabi will also stay at Leverkusen next season.

It's very important for the coach Bayer Leverkusen coach to rerun the next season with the xabi Alanso if not they will be a problem. Because the guy is strong strike which every will like to buy, I'm sure that next season Leverkusen will more strong them this season.

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Leverkusen are on fire right now. They are the indispensable in the Bundesliga league and can be regarded as the giants of the season with a recorded winning streak of 50 matches unbeaten and 33 of these matches are of this season and all were won by the club with zero lost since they started. They have only drew in 6 matches. How amazing they sound right now.

Congratulations to them on achieving such great milestone of going 50 games unbeaten. They are surely the giants of the league this season as they are yet to be beaten, for a team like this this is a record that can never be forgotten and will go down in history of the league. I admire their confidence and determination of not giving up no matter the circumstances even when they are losing towards the end of the game they always find their way back.

Despite having won the trophy they are not backing down yet and are still trashing opponents, i was surprised when i saw the score line go up to 5 goals against Bochum i thought they won’t be serious about the match since they have already won the league.

They are players with a lot of ambition and they are trying to score more and more goals day by day. They reflected this on the field in the Bochum match. Bayer Leverkusen has a great understanding. They are undefeated this year with Xabi and if it continues like this, we should seriously consider the possibility of doing so next year as well.

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Quote from: Nheer on May 13, 2024, 03:56:20 PM

Congratulations to them on achieving such great milestone of going 50 games unbeaten. They are surely the giants of the league this season as they are yet to be beaten, for a team like this this is a record that can never be forgotten and will go down in history of the league. I admire their confidence and determination of not giving up no matter the circumstances even when they are losing towards the end of the game they always find their way back.

Despite having won the trophy they are not backing down yet and are still trashing opponents, i was surprised when i saw the score line go up to 5 goals against Bochum i thought they won’t be serious about the match since they have already won the league.

Bayern Leverkusen makes history every week, it's extraordinary. Now 50 games unbeaten and counting, they are just three games away from making history as Bayer Leverksuen's all-time great. two finals and one Bundesliga match.

Xabi Alanso is truly a genius, he will be the best coach in the future because he coached a mediocre team but a team that is feared in the Bundesliga and European League. I suspect that Xabi's most important training is that all players must be able to pass, pass, control the ball well and shoot so it is not surprising that Leverkusen can appear impressive to date. Interesting against Bochum, even though they have already won. However, they still have to score goals in the final minutes to maintain the characteristics and traditions of playing football.

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Quote from: iBaba on May 12, 2024, 03:46:50 PM

Leverkusen are on fire right now. They are the indispensable in the Bundesliga league and can be regarded as the giants of the season with a recorded winning streak of 50 matches unbeaten and 33 of these matches are of this season and all were won by the club with zero lost since they started. They have only drew in 6 matches. How amazing they sound right now.

Congratulations to them on achieving such great milestone of going 50 games unbeaten. They are surely the giants of the league this season as they are yet to be beaten, for a team like this this is a record that can never be forgotten and will go down in history of the league. I admire their confidence and determination of not giving up no matter the circumstances even when they are losing towards the end of the game they always find their way back.

Despite having won the trophy they are not backing down yet and are still trashing opponents, i was surprised when i saw the score line go up to 5 goals against Bochum i thought they won’t be serious about the match since they have already won the league.

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In general, we already know the answer and it is certain that victory will belong to Leverkusen. Moreover, the red card received by one of the Bochum players in the 15th minute gave Leverkusen more freedom to control the match. The result, as we can see, was that they never stopped scoring goals and made the hosts very miserable.

All Leverkusen players evenly registered their names in the 5 goals scored and this is what I like about Leverkusen because they don't just emphasize one side and prioritize all positions to be able to contribute well. Well, 50 matches unbeaten in all competitions and this figure is absolutely impossible to break.

I also think that in this era of modern football, their record is almost impossible to break. Look how they performed when they have the UEFA Europa League final ahead of them and an injury could be the end of the road. Alonso is a brave manager, but I'm not sure if he needs to take such a risk. You're already champion, you've broken the undefeated record and you're still scoring goals. They have a scary 50-game unbeaten streak, it will be a pleasure to watch them in the CL next year.

I agree, I do not think that we are going to ever get a team that will do 50 unbeaten games in a row, to be fair most teams who have that kind of result usually ends up playing at champions league, and that means that we are not going to end up with anything that would not be all that confusing for a team to not be able to go unbeaten there, even if you are Real Madrid with mbappe, you may lose a game there, and of course leagues matter, bundesliga is a tough league for sure, a high level team, but also it is not as tough as premier league or la liga if you ask me.

In the end, what they have achieved is impossible to achieve, even Bayern didn't do it once during their 10+ year domination of the league, so that shows how insane what they achieved is.

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Quote from: tiCeR on May 13, 2024, 02:30:34 PM

There is some hope though in this case when it is about great players leaving the club for money as Bayer Leverkusen is backed by the pharmaceutical company Bayer, is that correct? I think they are. This wouldn't make it as easy for other big clubs to convince players with money only as Leverkusen might be able to at least counter any offers in regards to salaries and bonus options.

In the past that was the case there in Leverkusen but i dont know if they still have there Hands in the Club or something else.
But i guess there are for sure some sponsor thing between the Club and the company Bayer.

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Which means that even if a big name reaches out to players and makes a great offer, Leverkusen might get some backing from their sponsors to say no for as long as they can.
Seeing this project thrive not only for one or two years, but maybe four or five years would be badass.

For sure there will be some offers from other clubs for a few players , but why should i leave when the team is great and good,
and also they can play next season in the Champions League.

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Leverkusen have 1 more game to get the perfect record of the Bundesliga champion without losing. That gives them another chance to get 3 champions this season. DFB Pokal and Europa League. A perfect achievement for Xabi Alonso. Today they got a 5-goal win against Bochum. They dominated the game so much, even Bochum didn't have a shot on goal. Interestingly I want to wait for Xabi's action next season, because many teams cannot secure the championship in the next season. Because there will probably be a lot of players who leave because of the outstanding performances.

I don’t think so, Xabi Alonso staying back for another season can easily convince his best players to stay but sometimes you can’t be so sure if they’ll want to wait for another season when they see an opportunity to join a big club when an offer comes. When small teams like this begin to dominate, most of their best players are sold out to bigger teams and they become amateur teams like they used to be before now. I hope small teams can learn to keep their players and increase their pays to make them stay back. You won’t blame the teams in some instances, they sell them off because they can sustain all of them as they’ll ask for higher pays after their outstanding performances and a lot of better offers coming from big teams and ready to pay of their release clause. I hope things will change in football in that regards soon to have a more competitive and even game throughout the season and not just one team side benefiting year after year.

There is some hope though in this case when it is about great players leaving the club for money as Bayer Leverkusen is backed by the pharmaceutical company Bayer, is that correct? I think they are. This wouldn't make it as easy for other big clubs to convince players with money only as Leverkusen might be able to at least counter any offers in regards to salaries and bonus options.

It would be good to know how many players have long term contracts and whether there are players who are soon about to leave. But I doubt there are many as they have just got started and probably all have contracts that might go until 2026/2027 or so. Which means that even if a big name reaches out to players and makes a great offer, Leverkusen might get some backing from their sponsors to say no for as long as they can.

Seeing this project thrive not only for one or two years, but maybe four or five years would be badass.

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Quote from: Luzin on May 13, 2024, 08:16:51 AM

Leverkusen have 1 more game to get the perfect record of the Bundesliga champion without losing. That gives them another chance to get 3 champions this season. DFB Pokal and Europa League. A perfect achievement for Xabi Alonso. Today they got a 5-goal win against Bochum. They dominated the game so much, even Bochum didn't have a shot on goal. Interestingly I want to wait for Xabi's action next season, because many teams cannot secure the championship in the next season. Because there will probably be a lot of players who leave because of the outstanding performances.

I don’t think so, Xabi Alonso staying back for another season can easily convince his best players to stay but sometimes you can’t be so sure if they’ll want to wait for another season when they see an opportunity to join a big club when an offer comes. When small teams like this begin to dominate, most of their best players are sold out to bigger teams and they become amateur teams like they used to be before now. I hope small teams can learn to keep their players and increase their pays to make them stay back. You won’t blame the teams in some instances, they sell them off because they can sustain all of them as they’ll ask for higher pays after their outstanding performances and a lot of better offers coming from big teams and ready to pay of their release clause. I hope things will change in football in that regards soon to have a more competitive and even game throughout the season and not just one team side benefiting year after year.

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Quote from: Luzin on May 13, 2024, 08:16:51 AM

Leverkusen have 1 more game to get the perfect record of the Bundesliga champion without losing. That gives them another chance to get 3 champions this season. DFB Pokal and Europa League. A perfect achievement for Xabi Alonso. Today they got a 5-goal win against Bochum. They dominated the game so much, even Bochum didn't have a shot on goal. Interestingly I want to wait for Xabi's action next season, because many teams cannot secure the championship in the next season. Because there will probably be a lot of players who leave because of the outstanding performances.

Yes that's right. Currently Bayer Leverkusen only has three games left in all competitions to create something that has never happened in European football, the Invincible Treble. The three matches were against Augsburg (Bundesliga), against Kaiserslautern (DFB Pokal final) and against Atalanta (UEL final). If Xabi Alanso can do all that, he will make new history for Leverkusen and it might be difficult for other Bundesliga teams to beat him.

As for next season, I think as long as it hasn't been overhauled, everything is still okay, because of course Xabi won't just let his players go. Even if a player leaves, he will buy new players, at least buy replacement players whose quality is "possibly" above the players who left. Or even if no regular players leave, maybe Xabi will still buy players to strengthen the depth of the squad. So next season Leverksuen will still be a strong team both in the Bundesliga and in the UCL league because Xabi will also stay at Leverkusen next season.

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I agree that Bayern Leverkusen should not be playing so seriously since they have beaten Bayern Munich for this season's Bundesliga title, but since they want to end this season unbeaten, they will be serious with every single match they play in the Bundesliga. Bayern Leverkusen needs to win or draw their last match in the Bundesliga this season to end the league unbeaten, and I believe Augsburg will not be a threat for Bayern Leverkusen.

Leverkusen seriousness against Bochum is because they want to avenge last season's defeat, they made good use of every opportunity to beat Bochum in the same place where they lost last season. Leverkusen are also getting closer to their unbeaten record in one season, they only have one more game left before closing a very brilliant season. Augsburg is Leverkusen's last challenger in the Bundesliga, the last match will also be played at Leverkusen's headquarters, a draw is enough for them to set a record as a team that is unbeaten in one season.

With a 5-0 victory over the home team Bochum, Bayer Leverkusen officially set an unprecedented unbeaten milestone in European football history. As I said, Leverkusen won the Bundesliga championship and can rest to focus on the two important finals that follow. However, the unbeaten record that the players have been striving for since the beginning of the season still cannot be stopped. I believe they will be serious about creating history. Perhaps coach Alonso will rotate the squad to ensure the pillars are rested, while still ensuring the force is strong enough to maintain an unbeaten streak.

I hope Leverkusen will try their best in the remaining 3 matches. If they continue to maintain their performance, Leverkusen can dream of being undefeated for the entire season with an unprecedented treble. I believe Leverkusen will finish writing their name in history.

Bayern Leverkusen is serious about creating an amazing history in the world of football, and it's too late for them to be stopped. If Bayern Leverkusen wins their three remaining matches in all competitions, they will end the season unbeaten in all competitions and also win the trophy in all competitions they played this season. Bayern Leverkusen remains the favorite in their match with Augsburg because they are playing to end the Bundesliga season unbeaten.

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Quote from: Luzin on May 13, 2024, 08:16:51 AM

Leverkusen have 1 more game to get the perfect record of the Bundesliga champion without losing. That gives them another chance to get 3 champions this season. DFB Pokal and Europa League. A perfect achievement for Xabi Alonso. Today they got a 5-goal win against Bochum. They dominated the game so much, even Bochum didn't have a shot on goal. Interestingly I want to wait for Xabi's action next season, because many teams cannot secure the championship in the next season. Because there will probably be a lot of players who leave because of the outstanding performances.

I think this season we are already used to watching these kinds of performances from Leverkusen. Of course, Bochum getting a player sent off in the 15th minute of the match helped Leverkusen a lot. they have already been able to win the Bundesliga title. And now they are just completing every side mission that there is available for them. Of course, the main target for them is going to win the two finals that are left, the Europa League final and the DFB pokal final.

By the way, Leverkusen did not give any chance to their opponent in this match. Bochum was even unable to have a single shot on target in this match. on the other hand, Leverkusen had 29 shots in total and 10 shots on target.

This match is obviously not going to have any effect on the table for Leverkusen. But on the other hand, Bochum is still under threat of relegation.

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Quote from: Luzin on May 13, 2024, 08:16:51 AM

Leverkusen have 1 more game to get the perfect record of the Bundesliga champion without losing. That gives them another chance to get 3 champions this season. DFB Pokal and Europa League. A perfect achievement for Xabi Alonso. Today they got a 5-goal win against Bochum. They dominated the game so much, even Bochum didn't have a shot on goal. Interestingly I want to wait for Xabi's action next season, because many teams cannot secure the championship in the next season. Because there will probably be a lot of players who leave because of the outstanding performances.

If everything is achieved optimally, what this means is that if Leverkusen can get the treble winner and without losing even once, in any league, then this will be a record that is also difficult to break again. Yes, Leverkusen is that close to that record. Xabi's influence on Leverkusen is truly extraordinary, it was not the strongest club in the Bundesliga last season, but this season it can really shock the world with all its achievements. Xabi's name is always closely associated with Leverkusen's success, because he is the one who is an important influence on Leverkusen's development and achievements this time. It's not an instant process because Abi has to make the club even better over the seasons since his arrival at Leverkusen.

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Quote from: armanda90 on May 12, 2024, 10:00:45 PM

Its little unbelievable with Union Berlin performance and current standings at playoff relegation zone, last season success finish as top fourth standings team and get first time appearance in Champion League competition. But in this season,
Union Berlin get potential will relegated to Bundesliga 2 depend on last match result against SC Freiburg to secure Bundesliga position or have to face Fortuna Düsseldorf as 3rd standings team of Bundesliga 2.
For last match against SC Freiburg is very important match for Union Berlin to secure relegation playoff round or moving up from relegation position if another match Mainz defeated by Wolfsburg.

Its alternative way for Union Berlin secure the Bundesliga position next season.

Win against SC Freiburg and Mainz defeat by Wolfsburg
Draw against Freiburg and must win against Fortuna Düsseldorf on playoff relegation round

Based on your prediction, which more prefer relegated this season between Mainz or Union Berlin?

It was quite surprising to see Union Berlin's good performance last season but you have to look at Union Berlin's poor performance this season where they are fighting tooth and nail to get out of the relegation zone and remain in Bundesliga 1. I think Union Berlin's instability since joining the UCL competition is the cause of Union Berlin's experience. The decline was quite drastic because this season was Union Berlin's first season competing in the UCL and they failed to stabilize the performance of their players so that the players' mental state deteriorated because their club was lagging behind in the Bundesliga because they were too focused on the UCL.

Union Berlin still has a chance to survive relegation depending on its last performance, it has to face Freiburg, even though this club is not an easy opponent if you look at the points table. Freiburg has a higher chance of winning, but if Freiburg wants to give Union Berlin a chance to survive, it can give in, but Mainz also wants to ensure its position is safe by winning its match. All clubs that are threatened with relegation will definitely try their best to win the remainder of their struggle this season.

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