Topic: Germany sacks Verizon over NSA spying (Read 1614 times)

Quote from: Balthazar on July 03, 2014, 02:00:38 AM

Now Angela Merkel will learn what PRISM is.

I tend to think she already knew of the existence of PRISM its all just pretending just like she pretended how furious she was when she learned that the NSA is tapping her phone.

And we all know that her government is in bed with the usa gov

http://rt.com/news/us-drones-germany-ramstein-625/

Germany is very big about being against surveillance. Hitler "watched" germany's citizens very closely prior to him taking away the rights of Jews and was able to do so because he was already watching everyone.

I would agree about german experience in this area. Stasi, for example, was one of the best intelligence services in the world. In fact, sometimes it was even more competent than KGB.

You are right, madame Merkel is pretending to not know. No idea why you Germans still vote for her Cheesy

Truth is, Germany is sending personal information of German citizens over to the States 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. In turn, the German secret service gets access to the PRISM user interface. Don't worry about it, you have nothing to hide, they only kill you based on this data

Do you have any kind of source on this? This kind of surveillance is against the law in Germany and is taken very seriously. They go to great lengths to destroy even surveillance of the roadways when the police is looking for a stolen car for example (to make sure it cannot be used later).

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Quote from: InwardContour on July 03, 2014, 12:02:32 AM

Quote from: Balthazar on July 03, 2014, 02:00:38 AM

Now Angela Merkel will learn what PRISM is.

I tend to think she already knew of the existence of PRISM its all just pretending just like she pretended how furious she was when she learned that the NSA is tapping her phone.

And we all know that her government is in bed with the usa gov

http://rt.com/news/us-drones-germany-ramstein-625/

Germany is very big about being against surveillance. Hitler "watched" germany's citizens very closely prior to him taking away the rights of Jews and was able to do so because he was already watching everyone.

I would agree about german experience in this area. Stasi, for example, was one of the best intelligence services in the world. In fact, sometimes it was even more competent than KGB.

So as a result the Germans often feel that surveillance will eventually lead to the stripping of the rights of it's citizens.

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I'm still in shock over the lack of fucks given by US citizens. It's a Brave New 1984 out there.

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well that was expected and well deserved, I fear that if Cisco and other big hardware makers found to be involved the damage would be more considerable that just Verizon small in Germany

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Quote from: InwardContour on July 03, 2014, 12:02:32 AM

Quote from: InwardContour on July 03, 2014, 12:02:32 AM

Now Angela Merkel will learn what PRISM is.

I tend to think she already knew of the existence of PRISM its all just pretending just like she pretended how furious she was when she learned that the NSA is tapping her phone.

And we all know that her government is in bed with the usa gov

http://rt.com/news/us-drones-germany-ramstein-625/

Germany is very big about being against surveillance. Hitler "watched" germany's citizens very closely prior to him taking away the rights of Jews and was able to do so because he was already watching everyone.

I would agree about german experience in this area. Stasi, for example, was one of the best intelligence services in the world. In fact, sometimes it was even more competent than KGB.

You are right, madame Merkel is pretending to not know. No idea why you Germans still vote for her Cheesy

Truth is, Germany is sending personal information of German citizens over to the States 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. In turn, the German secret service gets access to the PRISM user interface. Don't worry about it, you have nothing to hide, they only kill you based on this data

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Now Angela Merkel will learn what PRISM is.

I tend to think she already knew of the existence of PRISM its all just pretending just like she pretended how furious she was when she learned that the NSA is tapping her phone.

And we all know that her government is in bed with the usa gov

http://rt.com/news/us-drones-germany-ramstein-625/

Germany is very big about being against surveillance. Hitler "watched" germany's citizens very closely prior to him taking away the rights of Jews and was able to do so because he was already watching everyone.

I would agree about german experience in this area. Stasi, for example, was one of the best intelligence services in the world. In fact, sometimes it was even more competent than KGB.

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Quote from: newflesh on July 02, 2014, 03:06:15 AM

Now Angela Merkel will learn what PRISM is.

I tend to think she already knew of the existence of PRISM its all just pretending just like she pretended how furious she was when she learned that the NSA is tapping her phone.

And we all know that her government is in bed with the usa gov

http://rt.com/news/us-drones-germany-ramstein-625/

Germany is very big about being against surveillance. Hitler "watched" germany's citizens very closely prior to him taking away the rights of Jews and was able to do so because he was already watching everyone.

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Quote from: newflesh on July 02, 2014, 03:06:15 AM

Now Angela Merkel will learn what PRISM is.

I tend to think she already knew of the existence of PRISM its all just pretending just like she pretended how furious she was when she learned that the NSA is tapping her phone.

And we all know that her government is in bed with the usa gov

http://rt.com/news/us-drones-germany-ramstein-625/

Yeah I'm sure Merkel must have known of the NSA's blanket surveillance, think she was just giving lip service to the general public.

Would like to get me one of those encrypted phones Wink

She did not know about the NSA spying. She was actually the subject of the spying for some time

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Now Angela Merkel will learn what PRISM is.

I tend to think she already knew of the existence of PRISM its all just pretending just like she pretended how furious she was when she learned that the NSA is tapping her phone.

And we all know that her government is in bed with the usa gov

http://rt.com/news/us-drones-germany-ramstein-625/

Yeah I'm sure Merkel must have known of the NSA's blanket surveillance, think she was just giving lip service to the general public.

Would like to get me one of those encrypted phones Wink

People are over-estimating the competency of their leaders. One person can only do so many things and be informed after there is an issue.

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Now Angela Merkel will learn what PRISM is.

I tend to think she already knew of the existence of PRISM its all just pretending just like she pretended how furious she was when she learned that the NSA is tapping her phone.

And we all know that her government is in bed with the usa gov

http://rt.com/news/us-drones-germany-ramstein-625/

Yeah I'm sure Merkel must have known of the NSA's blanket surveillance, think she was just giving lip service to the general public.

Would like to get me one of those encrypted phones Wink

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Quote from: arbitrage001 on June 30, 2014, 04:38:58 AM

Now Angela Merkel will learn what PRISM is.

I tend to think she already knew of the existence of PRISM its all just pretending just like she pretended how furious she was when she learned that the NSA is tapping her phone.

And we all know that her government is in bed with the usa gov

http://rt.com/news/us-drones-germany-ramstein-625/

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Quote from: InwardContour on June 29, 2014, 11:41:01 PM

Quote from: Ron~Popeil on June 29, 2014, 03:25:21 PM

Quote from: Ron~Popeil on June 28, 2014, 11:18:30 PM

You would think the German government would have been using their own companies all ready. If I were German I would be a bit ticked off that they were spending money on cell service benefiting a foreign country instead of my own countrymen. How many jobs were created in the US just because of this?

Contract need to be awarded to competent and reasonable cost company.

Do you really think that Germany isn't capable of providing such a service? They lead the world in a lot of engineering areas. Telecom should not be a big issue for them.

Much of europe is too small to have individual companies for each country for every industry. The companies would simply not be able to reach an economy of scale that is necessary to be profitable.

The intended goal of specialization is to reach economy of scale so product and service can be offered at competitive price.

What we have today is every company in the west trying to corner the market and selling crap at elevated price.

Speculation is essentially gambling that the price of something will move a certain way.

There are many industries in the european economy that simply cannot be profitable without using an economy of scale.

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Quote from: InwardContour on June 29, 2014, 11:41:01 PM

Quote from: Ron~Popeil on June 29, 2014, 03:25:21 PM

Quote from: Ron~Popeil on June 28, 2014, 11:18:30 PM

You would think the German government would have been using their own companies all ready. If I were German I would be a bit ticked off that they were spending money on cell service benefiting a foreign country instead of my own countrymen. How many jobs were created in the US just because of this?

Contract need to be awarded to competent and reasonable cost company.

Do you really think that Germany isn't capable of providing such a service? They lead the world in a lot of engineering areas. Telecom should not be a big issue for them.

Much of europe is too small to have individual companies for each country for every industry. The companies would simply not be able to reach an economy of scale that is necessary to be profitable.

The intended goal of specialization is to reach economy of scale so product and service can be offered at competitive price.

What we have today is every company in the west trying to corner the market and selling crap at elevated price.

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Quote from: Ron~Popeil on June 29, 2014, 03:25:21 PM

Quote from: Ron~Popeil on June 28, 2014, 11:18:30 PM

You would think the German government would have been using their own companies all ready. If I were German I would be a bit ticked off that they were spending money on cell service benefiting a foreign country instead of my own countrymen. How many jobs were created in the US just because of this?

Contract need to be awarded to competent and reasonable cost company.

Do you really think that Germany isn't capable of providing such a service? They lead the world in a lot of engineering areas. Telecom should not be a big issue for them.

Much of europe is too small to have individual companies for each country for every industry. The companies would simply not be able to reach an economy of scale that is necessary to be profitable.

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