Topic: Gigamining / Teramining - page 80. (Read 216462 times)

Stop being so dramatic, there is nothing to be done now. I don't know why you would trust someone online, with so much a lawyer would be necessary. If you have a issue with anyone it should be Nefario, he's the one who just put the trading value to zero. A issuer can only do what they know is honest. If they wanted to be jerk's they could just repurchase the share's for next to nothing.

What I want to know is where were all these legal aids when all these bitcoin securities started up?  If you guys knew all this before why not put it out there?  So now do all of us bond holders need to pony up some dough for lawyers?   Would have been nice to know some of this before buying into these, I guess I can say it is partly my fault for not looking into all the angles but it is just strange that all these legal aids have come crawling out of the woodwork....

just my 2 bit cents.

Naelr

The most straight forward way that i can think is to verify via email addresses. An automated link can be sent to email addresses on file with instructions on how to claim your shares.

I think it's a good idea to start doing this - if you need an easy way to collect them you can create a form in Google Docs that people could fill out, and then when you get the information from Nefario you can verify it.

It might be an issue for me (and some others, possibly) who did not associate (or don't remember associating) an address to withdraw BTC from. I sent BTC to my GLBSE account, but I'd need to figure out what address sent those coins each time. I guess I just have to see what information I'll have to provide to verify my account.

keep us posted. I'm glad payments aren't being made, they would just go to glbse wallets right now.

Good morning Gigaminers:

As I'm sure most of you are well aware, this morning should mean another coupon payment. Unfortunately, due to events related to GLBSE and outside my control, coupon payments will not be made today. This makes me unbelievably upset, as I'm sure it does most of you.

I also stated before, that today I will retain counsel to best decide what to do with the situation we are faced. I appreciate all of your suggestions and comments, but please be patient while I work through all of the issues we face.

Best,
gigavps

You dont lease a PS3 with the aim of making money.
And I fear just relabeling it wont really help. I came across this, granted, for Arizona, but I suspect it will similar all over:

I. Defining a Security.
 The first step in deciding whether the securities statutes apply is to determine whether the transaction at issue actually involves a “security”. Arizona broadly defines a security as any:

[N]ote, stock, treasury stock, bond, commodity investment contract, commodity option, debenture, evidence of indebtedness, certificate of interest or participation in any profit-sharing agreement, collateral-trust certificate, preorganization certificate or subscription, transferable share, investment contract, viatical or life settlement investment contract, voting-trust certificate, certificate of deposit for a security, fractional undivided interest in oil, gas or other mineral rights, real property investment contract or, in general, any interest or instrument commonly known as a “security”, or any certificate of interest or participation in, temporary or interim certificate for, receipt for, guarantee of, or warrant or right to subscribe to or purchase, any of the foregoing.[7]

The definition for each of these securities is either listed in the Act under A.R.S. Section 44-1801 or provided by judicial interpretations and tests.[8] In determining whether a certain instrument is a security, a court will consider the substance rather than the form of the instrument.[9] “Essentially, if the purchaser will be a passive owner―relying on someone else’s efforts or conduct in order to make money on the investment―the instrument is probably a security.”[10]

http://www.mitchell-attorneys.com/legal-articles/securities-registration-and-exemption/

+1 Sounds like a good option.

I believe that's how Sony "sells" their PS3s as well. Just a perpetual transferable lease. It makes sense for the mining companies to take this path when and if legal issues arise.

Change the structure of gigamining.  Instead of it being described as a bond, have people lease the hardware indefinitely.  People transfer leases all the time.

Giga,

Feel free to reach out to me to discuss any legal issues.  I'm debating setting up a bitcoin mining company as well and would gladly share anything I know and help you research anything you need to look into since I'll likely need to research it myself.

Good luck!

I doubt I will be putting too many coins at any single address. The coins are in my local wallet that has been backed up.

So, to late, but:

You can estimate some address, public it here and transfer in future coins which should belong to us to make it possible for us to check them waiting, even if it will be forever.
Right?

Hi pieppiep,

GLBSE has the coupon payment for tomorrow which is 470 coins. I sent the coins to GLBSE hours before Nefario decided to shut down the site. I continue to mine as you can see from the status pages and will continue to stockpile the coins.

Best,
gigavps

+1

I like the transparency of gigamining, especially the site where you see the status of all your miners.
Maybe it would be a nice idea to transfer the coins you would have normally paid on glbse to the bond holders to a special bitcoinaddress.
That way everybody can see the coins are still there for when you will be able to pay them to the bond holders.

Thanks again, gigavps. :-)

This is off topic to the thread but I will leave some links for you to read.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/nefario-115669
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/have-questions-about-gblse-shutdown-ask-matthewh3-unofficial-spokesperson-117009

The second link is a nice summary of someone's post who I guess is close to Nefario.

Thanks for your response.

I hope you can drive this to a good ending.

I know this doesn't concern to you, and even it could be off-topic, but I would like to ask to the rest of bond holders in this thread what they know about getting their bitcoins in GLBSE balance back.

Hi johnlu,

I am working with counsel on Monday to determine a proper course of action. All coins mined are being stockpiled and held until such a time as a proper and legal course of action can be determined. Once I have this information, I will update everyone on the next steps and how to proceed.

We are in uncharted territory and I want to make sure that I am going to be around to spend time with my daughter and find an amicable solution to GLBSE effectively no longer acting as the broker and exchange.

Best,
gigavps