UPDATE
Nefario just responded to my email
Alberto Armandi
aaand what did he say? Don't be shy, speak...
(possibile che per una volta che trovo un italiano, dobbiamo sempre distinguerci in negativo?
) 
Topic: [GLBSE] BDT - 3% weekly interest bond, backed by Bitdaytrade - page 25. (Read 57962 times)
UPDATE
Nefario just responded to my email
Alberto Armandi
aaand what did he say? Don't be shy, speak...
(possibile che per una volta che trovo un italiano, dobbiamo sempre distinguerci in negativo?
) 
I wasn't promoting it xD, I was simply saying don't panic sell as this won't effect Alberetos project or his capabilities to pay out
Also if someone wants to sell a 1 BTC bond for 0.7 BTC I am not going to say no xD
//DeaDTerra
exahash was talking about your initial position as IPO manager of BDT. Also if someone wants to sell a 1 BTC bond for 0.7 BTC I am not going to say no xD
//DeaDTerra
not good
But with DT, and now Meni promoting it, I was willing to buy in. I realize Meni has no real say over things, but if he's willing to put his name on it I believe that he believes its on the up and up.
Let's put it this way. Out of the people involved in this "drama" I currently trust Alberto the most. He's made some blunders in the past but at least he's not disappearing for weeks without a trace or playing neighborhood bully freezing people's assets willy-nilly.We're still working to resolve this, but I wouldn't worry too much. Alberto is still committed to uphold his contract, I just hope Nefario is as committed to let issuers on his platform uphold their contract.
By the way, I'll only have a limited ability to handle this over the next few days, mainly because of military reserve duty.
Im just glad JRO has nothing to do with BDT.
I have to wonder... after this thread, why did people buy BDT? I was initially interested, but the incompetence in promise-keeping steered me away rather quickly
I'll bite...
I was initially very leery of a bond issued primarily by Alberto (no offense Alberto). But with DT, and now Meni promoting it, I was willing to buy in. I realize Meni has no real say over things, but if he's willing to put his name on it I believe that he believes its on the up and up. If Meni starts promoting Dank's bank, I'll sell fast.
As for the slowness and drama on Rebate, I'm not convinced it was all Alberto. I've known and worked with plenty of overly-optimistic people over the years.
I'm not backing BDT, but if anyone wants out while its still frozen, I'm willing to buy at a non-vulture price (props to theymos for trying) e.g. .95.
And just so it doesn't get edited away, I'm quoting Alberto's statement:
Anyone, please ignore the speculators bids, the situation is going to be cleared up very soon. I'm currently waiting for Nefario to come up with some sort of communication with me. It seems that the freezing of BDT wasn't even worth a phone call, as i didn't receive any from him. I'm waitin for further contact, for now i've just received an email stating that i am connected with REBATE IPO and i'm liable for fraud and similar stuffs.
First of all, i would like to clarify that i've developed REBATE and Kronos.io during a timeframe of partnership with Jonathan Ryan Owens, the actuator of REBATE IPO, and the recipient of most of the 5000 bitcoin raised from that operation. The last time we spoked about this he said he was going to buy back all shares from investors, so i believe that's what will be happening. I'm not accusing anyone of running with customer funds.
As for what concerns me personally, i'm an entrepreneur and web developer, and it's normal for me to have multiple projects running at the same time. I do no think i have done any wrong doing and i should not be held responsible for an asset that i even don't own on my account. BDT is an healthy security with dividends paid fully until now. I see no reasons for keeping my account frozen.
Thank you
Alberto Armandi
Founder - Bitdaytrade Ltd
+393421048844
First of all, i would like to clarify that i've developed REBATE and Kronos.io during a timeframe of partnership with Jonathan Ryan Owens, the actuator of REBATE IPO, and the recipient of most of the 5000 bitcoin raised from that operation. The last time we spoked about this he said he was going to buy back all shares from investors, so i believe that's what will be happening. I'm not accusing anyone of running with customer funds.
As for what concerns me personally, i'm an entrepreneur and web developer, and it's normal for me to have multiple projects running at the same time. I do no think i have done any wrong doing and i should not be held responsible for an asset that i even don't own on my account. BDT is an healthy security with dividends paid fully until now. I see no reasons for keeping my account frozen.
Thank you
Alberto Armandi
Founder - Bitdaytrade Ltd
+393421048844
I'm assuming theymos was serious. If he was serious, then there must be some reason behind it. Like, the asset being locked... I call that 'drama' too.
I am serious. Obviously I don't think there's a huge risk or I wouldn't be buying any BDT shares. But this freeze is reason to be concerned, and some investors might just need their principal back ASAP.
Theymos, as i have already said, this freeze is due to miscommunication and mismanagement of and about the REBATE asset, and i don't have anything to do with the management of both the IPO or the asset itself on GLBSE. I have developed and mantained the site for a while, and even funded advertising campaigns to get it profitable, but it seems the model is doomed so it's better to close it and buy back the bonds. As i said to DeadTerra, which also helped me with managing the advertising campaigns, and which is one of the most prominent investors in REBATE, i'll gladly return the coins i got from JRO in the context of that IPO. I got these funds as a payout for the work on REBATE and Kronos.io. I have no idea where the bulk of the funds are at the moment and what they are being used for. I would also point out that i have nothing to do with ZIP.A nor with any other JRO project at the moment. BDT being frozen is a mistake and i hope this will be fixed within the next 12 hours. I have waited for 8 hours awake now but i haven't received any call from Nefario, nor any email, and i can't find him on irc as well. I'll be going to sleep now in the hope that GLBSE management will get in his right mind.
UPDATE
Nefario just responded to my email
Alberto Armandi
Founder -Bitdaytrade Ltd
+393421048844
I'm assuming theymos was serious. If he was serious, then there must be some reason behind it. Like, the asset being locked... I call that 'drama' too.
I am serious. Obviously I don't think there's a huge risk or I wouldn't be buying any BDT shares. But this freeze is reason to be concerned, and some investors might just need their principal back ASAP.
I have to wonder... after this thread, why did people buy BDT? I was initially interested, but the incompetence in promise-keeping steered me away rather quickly
You say it doesn't prove anything, but it gave me a bad gut feeling and saved me from all this drama
I'm assuming theymos was serious. If he was serious, then there must be some reason behind it. Like, the asset being locked... I call that 'drama' too.
I am serious. Obviously I don't think there's a huge risk or I wouldn't be buying any BDT shares. But this freeze is reason to be concerned, and some investors might just need their principal back ASAP.
I'll buy BDT shares now from trustworthy people (via PGP-signed futures contracts) @ 0.6 BTC per share.
This drama. A 40% loss is significant.Its only a loss if you sell.
You're free to call it like you want, asset will be unlocked and friday dividends paid. Who is panick selling now is being manipulated.
I'll buy BDT shares now from trustworthy people (via PGP-signed futures contracts) @ 0.6 BTC per share.
This drama. A 40% loss is significant.Its only a loss if you sell.
I'll buy BDT shares now from trustworthy people (via PGP-signed futures contracts) @ 0.6 BTC per share.
This drama. A 40% loss is significant.Its only a loss if you sell.
I'll buy BDT shares now from trustworthy people (via PGP-signed futures contracts) @ 0.6 BTC per share.
This drama. A 40% loss is significant.40% loss? What the hell are you talking about? Barging into a random thread stating to buy shares at a ludicrous price is considered a loss these days?
I'll buy BDT shares now from trustworthy people (via PGP-signed futures contracts) @ 0.6 BTC per share.
This drama. A 40% loss is significant. You say it doesn't prove anything, but it gave me a bad gut feeling and saved me from all this drama
Which drama ? there's no drama happening. You're just too paranoid. It's understandable given recent bitcoin history, but i suggest you to relax on this one.
You say it doesn't prove anything, but it gave me a bad gut feeling and saved me from all this drama
I have to wonder... after this thread, why did people buy BDT? I was initially interested, but the incompetence in promise-keeping steered me away rather quickly
The thread you mention doesn't prove anything. REBATE is a failed project that didn't turn out profitable. Now what needs to be done is buying back the bonds issued and solve the situation. I'm ready for paying back what i received ( a small portion ) from the funds gathered from REBATE. I'm not liable for the rest of funds.
Alberto
I have to wonder... after this thread, why did people buy BDT? I was initially interested, but the incompetence in promise-keeping steered me away rather quickly
Anyone, please ignore the speculators bids...
Heh - that read like it came with a bit of spittle that had to be cleaned from someone's computer screen
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