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Topic: [GLBSE] BDT - 3% weekly interest bond, backed by Bitdaytrade - page 27. (Read 57771 times)

donator
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This Linkdin profile doesnt help when I only get the message (I translated it) "You and this LinkedIn Member have no common contacts. You can only see the profiles of members in your network..."
Right, I forgot how annoying Linkedin can be sometimes (I was already connected with Nefario so I could see Alberto's profile before connecting with him). The short story is that he is involved with some of his family's hotels and has founded the failed startups Enso and Wozad.

and your word about that he is verified with GLBSE, Mt. Gox and yourself doesnt help when you dont offer a personal commitment to cover Alberto's obligations...
This makes no sense, if I had offered a personal commitment there would be no need for Alberto to verify with anyone.

while i cannot check if he is really verified with GLBSE
Of course you can, https://glbse.com/asset/view/BDT, "Verification".

besides that "experience" in margin trading doesnt mean that he knows how to make a website successfull...
You're right, it doesn't.

What experience does he has? Who are his friends? what experience do they have? all a bit wishy-washy
I don't understand the purpose of this line of inquiry or even how it can be meaningfully answered, but I'll check if more information can be made public.

The funds don't need to be raised all at once so you can watch the progress of https://bitdaytrade.com before making any investment decisions.

You have proof that no bank is already the real owner?
No and I don't think it really matters. I'm not sure there's a meaningful way to legally force Alberto to commit his assets to paying GLBSE bondholders (and even if there is we have not pursued it), so you're relying on his word that he will pay out. If you think he's lying about the assets then he's also lying about paying and then it doesn't matter if he owns the assets or not.

an independennt rating from Patrick Harnett's seems a good idea.
I'm not sure what Patrick's procedures are but I assume it will be based mostly on data that we provide, so it may not be the independent confirmation that you are looking for.
legendary
Activity: 906
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Alberto is the person with this Linkedin profile, an Italian developer and entrepreneur (his profile is outdated, he's in Italy now).

Proofs of identity are not generally given publicly, but he is verified with GLBSE, Mt. Gox and myself, and he has received a letter I sent to his stated residence address.

This Linkdin profile doesnt help when I only get the message (I translated it) "You and this LinkedIn Member have no common contacts. You can only see the profiles of members in your network..." and your word about that he is verified with GLBSE, Mt. Gox and yourself doesnt help when you dont offer a personal commitment to cover Alberto's obligations... while i cannot check if he is really verified with GLBSE, Mt. Gox...

He has some experience doing margin trading and has friends with even more experience to whom he goes for advice.

So your word again, besides that "experience" in margin trading doesnt mean that he knows how to make a website successfull...
What experience does he has? Who are his friends? what experience do they have? all a bit wishy-washy

He has real estate assets which could be liquidated to cover his obligations if it comes to that point.

We are considering applying for Patrick Harnett's credit ratings which could make this clearer.

So your word again... Which assets are that? You have proof that no bank is already the real owner?
an independennt rating from Patrick Harnett's seems a good idea.
donator
Activity: 2058
Merit: 1054
- Who is Alberto Armandi? public proof of identity / residence ...
Alberto is the person with this Linkedin profile, an Italian developer and entrepreneur (his profile is outdated, he's in Italy now).

Proofs of identity are not generally given publicly, but he is verified with GLBSE, Mt. Gox and myself, and he has received a letter I sent to his stated residence address.

- Does he have any experience / connections in the margin trading? (because he clearly has no real connections to bitcoins)
He has some experience doing margin trading and has friends with even more experience to whom he goes for advice.

- Which "securites" does Alberto Armandi offer? any assets / websites / projects that generate enough revenue to pay everyone in the worst case?
He has real estate assets which could be liquidated to cover his obligations if it comes to that point.

We are considering applying for Patrick Harnett's credit ratings which could make this clearer.
legendary
Activity: 906
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As far as I read Alberto Armandi is the person we give our money to and he has 0 reputation in this forum / bitcoin community, registered June 20, 2012 which is also the reason why you (Meni) started this topic and not Alberto Smiley So I have some questions:


- Who is Alberto Armandi? public proof of identity / residence ...
- Does he have any experience / connections in the margin trading? (because he clearly has no real connections to bitcoins)
- Which "securites" does Alberto Armandi offer? any assets / websites / projects that generate enough revenue to pay everyone in the worst case, because bitdaytrade.com is so far a dead site (0 users), no matter which high end backend it has and therfor without value...
member
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Blah
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Yet again stop this silly witch hunt!
//DeaDTerra
Don't worry, Micon is deliberately trying to appear inflamatory and ill-informed, so that people take the opposite view to the one proposed. Micon is, in fact, trying to drum up more trade for Pirate through this disinformation strategy.

Best tactic is to ignore.

I actually thought this may be the case as well. No one can be that tactless... Can they ?
sr. member
Activity: 445
Merit: 250
Blah
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Yet again stop this silly witch hunt!
//DeaDTerra
Don't worry, Micon is deliberately trying to appear inflamatory and ill-informed, so that people take the opposite view to the one proposed. Micon is, in fact, trying to drum up more trade for Pirate through this disinformation strategy.

Best tactic is to ignore.
donator
Activity: 1064
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legendary
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Merit: 1001
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ah so you only need 10k BTC ($80k USD) to do what with?  Mt. Gox only trades ~ $800k USD per day in BTC anyway -  how do you plan on generating such an amazing amount of money that you can pay 3% interest weekly?  Seems like every one of these obvious ponzi's claim they are killing it "trading" and "arbitrage" and yet they all need massive, massive investment from a wide # of ppl...

obviously added to Micon's obvious list of Ponzi's

added to Micon's list of ponzi's and scams you should never take part in.

Do you have to go into everybody's threads and cause havoc?

No where does it say he is using the money for trading/arbitrage etc...
The money raised is for developing and running the business at this early stage.
legendary
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FPV Drone Pilot
donator
Activity: 164
Merit: 100
well done with the dividends ;-)
just purchased another 54 shares.
sr. member
Activity: 364
Merit: 250
firstbits 1LoCBS
Received my dividends, thank you!

Immediately re-invested.
full member
Activity: 155
Merit: 100
There are cheezburgers over here! Cheesy
donator
Activity: 2058
Merit: 1054
The scheduled coupons will be paid starting July 27. On July 20 a coupon of 0.005 BTC per bond will be paid as it is only one day after the IPO.
What about this?
Alberto is having some trouble using GLBSE, we'll try to sort this out soon.

Update: 0.006 BTC per bond have been paid due to being 1 day overdue.
donator
Activity: 164
Merit: 100
purchased 150 shares   Cheesy
legendary
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Merit: 1012

The scheduled coupons will be paid starting July 27. On July 20 a coupon of 0.005 BTC per bond will be paid as it is only one day after the IPO.


What about this?

Could be a very interesting investment if contract is kept... Wink
sr. member
Activity: 287
Merit: 250
Bought some, let's see how this baby grow Smiley

Thank you for your support. Much appreciated.
hero member
Activity: 868
Merit: 1000
Bought some, let's see how this baby grow Smiley
donator
Activity: 2058
Merit: 1054
The bonds are now being sold - you can buy at https://glbse.com/asset/view/BDT.
hero member
Activity: 938
Merit: 1002
I'm not sure what exactly you're complaining about. What is supposed to happen if the company closes shop? You'll keep a position in a platform that doesn't exist? It's perfectly fair to liquidate positions at the price relevant to the time of closing, perhaps at a rate tweaked at the customer's favor.

I think the term should be more specific about the rate part, and it shouldn't happen without notice. If it's without notice, customers with positions in the negative should be compensated to a certain degree, and the numbers need to be specified in the contract.
donator
Activity: 2058
Merit: 1054
Hmm. I have concerns about this in the ToS:
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Bitdaytrade reserves the right to suspend the operation of this site or any part or sections of it. In such an event, Bitdaytrade may, at its sole discretion (with or without notice), close out the customers` open trades at prices it considers fair and reasonable at such a time and no claims may be entertained against the Company in connection thereto.

I was interested in this service, but I'm not interested in having positions closed arbitrarily. I've had this happen with another, now defunct, leveraged trading platform, and really don't care to repeat the experience.
I'm not sure what exactly you're complaining about. What is supposed to happen if the company closes shop? You'll keep a position in a platform that doesn't exist? It's perfectly fair to liquidate positions at the price relevant to the time of closing, perhaps at a rate tweaked at the customer's favor.
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