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hero member
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April 09, 2012, 09:08:50 AM
#31
Have I missed any questions?
This one:
I will likely be offering the same for MiniRig boxes and RigBoxes as well.
Would this all blend together with more BFLS shares per miniRig and RigBox, meaning early adopters would gain from the upgrade / addition, or would those be offered in separate tickers when thie time comes?
legendary
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April 09, 2012, 09:02:34 AM
#30
Sorry guys, I had to fly to Phoenix on short notice and didn't turn on the laptop the whole time.  Back now and ready to go!

So what are the outstanding questions?  I thought a lot about this, and to prevent a run on singles, I am going to impose a 45 day moratorium as it were on on Single sales before I start getting the rotation of Singles going.  A lot of you contacted me about pre-ipo purchased, etc...  While I do want to get a sale rotation going, being able to provide everyone who wants one with a Single in a timely fashion without the waiting period, if I do that right now I will be virtually out of singles in a day. 

So what's the benefit, you ask, if you are wanting to use this GLBSE offering just to purchase single and not invest in a mining company?  Well, you can "purchase" a single and have it mining for you, basically, even though you don't physically posses a box.  Unlike ordering directly from BFL, your unit will be mining while you wait for it to be delivered, as it were, earning you income immediately, vs having your funds wait in limbo for 6+ weeks.

As far as were we will be mining - GPUmax is one place, Bonus Pool is another, and we'll also be trying to increase the income in other ways as they present themselves.

Have I missed any questions?
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Psi laju, karavani prolaze.
April 09, 2012, 07:17:28 AM
#29
Any individual investing in the company may, at their discretion, transfer 200 BFLS shares to the operator in exchange for a physical BFL Single being shipped (CONUS only. Additional charge for international shipping.) to the individual. When a BFLS is redeemed, a new unit will replace the redeemed unit, and 170 BFLS shares will be offered at current market rate.

So each time theres a 'sale' of the single, you hold 30 shares of the asset.  After ~66 sales, you end up being 100% owner. Not bad.
vip
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April 09, 2012, 04:29:09 AM
#28
Inaba,

Hopefully you can start to answer some of the outstanding questions in this thread.

Thanks,
gigavps
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April 07, 2012, 12:50:48 AM
#27
thanks, I forgot that part.
Vbs
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April 06, 2012, 07:44:49 PM
#26
(...)  Additionally, should a BFL Single be unavailable for immediate shipping, the operator reserves the right to refuse the 200 BFLS shares until such time as a unit becomes available.
donator
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April 06, 2012, 07:22:20 PM
#25
I love this idea and concept, but I can see a lot of the BFLs just being snatched up by those who can afford the 200 shares and are tired of waiting for BFL to deliver.

The premium being changed can really be explained away with getting the unit sooner. Might as well just buy the 10 units.
I understand that and don't disagree with it.  I just think it could keep this a rather small mining operation when the units keep getting snatched up.
vip
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April 06, 2012, 07:19:30 PM
#24
I love this idea and concept, but I can see a lot of the BFLs just being snatched up by those who can afford the 200 shares and are tired of waiting for BFL to deliver.

The premium being changed can really be explained away with getting the unit sooner. Might as well just buy the 10 units.
donator
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April 06, 2012, 07:17:48 PM
#23
I love this idea and concept, but I can see a lot of the BFLs just being snatched up by those who can afford the 200 shares and are tired of waiting for BFL to deliver.
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Ad astra.
April 06, 2012, 06:15:48 PM
#22
I would assume Inaba's running these on his pool (EclipseMC), which would cause payouts to very a bit, but in the long term theoretically average out to 100% PPS.

I would assume Inaba would run these on GPUMAX and get 1.2x-1.3x-1.4x PPS.

Maybe neither of us should assume.  Tongue

Inaba, what is your plan in regards to pool choice?
legendary
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April 06, 2012, 12:41:29 PM
#21
GPUmax and then eclipse as backup ...
legendary
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April 06, 2012, 12:39:19 PM
#20
I would assume Inaba's running these on his pool (EclipseMC), which would cause payouts to very a bit, but in the long term theoretically average out to 100% PPS.

I would assume Inaba would run these on GPUMAX and get 1.2x-1.3x-1.4x PPS.
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Ad astra.
April 06, 2012, 10:05:15 AM
#19
Interesting twist with the single purchase option...

@gigavps - I believe this is not a guaranteed PPS like your bond offering.  Simply divides revenue by shares and paid proportionally.  I think it fair to assume the revenue would be ~100% PPS, however.

I would assume Inaba's running these on his pool (EclipseMC), which would cause payouts to very a bit, but in the long term theoretically average out to 100% PPS.
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April 06, 2012, 08:15:26 AM
#18
I will likely be offering the same for MiniRig boxes and RigBoxes as well.
Would this all blend together with more BFLS shares per miniRig and RigBox, meaning early adopters would gain from the upgrade / addition, or would those be offered in separate tickers when thie time comes?
legendary
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April 06, 2012, 08:01:47 AM
#17
Yep  Grin
vip
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April 06, 2012, 08:00:32 AM
#16
Interesting twist with the single purchase option...

@gigavps - I believe this is not a guaranteed PPS like your bond offering.  Simply divides revenue by shares and paid proportionally.  I think it fair to assume the revenue would be ~100% PPS, however.

I am starting to think the real deal here is buying 1000 shares and asking Inaba to send you 5 singles.

* gigavps start dreaming of moar singles in the bottom rack......
legendary
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April 06, 2012, 07:58:17 AM
#15
Interesting twist with the single purchase option...

@gigavps - I believe this is not a guaranteed PPS like your bond offering.  Simply divides revenue by shares and paid proportionally.  I think it fair to assume the revenue would be ~100% PPS, however.
vip
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AKA: gigavps
April 06, 2012, 07:33:01 AM
#14
So far one of the cheapest (the cheapest I could find/would trust) "PPS shares" on GLBSE. Smiley

(for comparison, MH/s per BTC spent:
Inaba: ~6 MH/s, assuming 830 MH/s per unit
gigavps: probably 5 MH/s
Meni: ~2.6 MH/s)

Good luck and please make sure to post extensive statistics on payouts!

I would like to ask the OP, are you guaranteeing a PPS rate on the shares held?

I reread the OP and did not find that guarantee.
legendary
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April 06, 2012, 07:24:48 AM
#13
So far one of the cheapest (the cheapest I could find/would trust) "PPS shares" on GLBSE. Smiley

(for comparison, MH/s per BTC spent:
Inaba: ~6 MH/s, assuming 830 MH/s per unit
gigavps: probably 5 MH/s
Meni: ~2.6 MH/s)

Good luck and please make sure to post extensive statistics on payouts!
Vbs
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April 06, 2012, 05:44:04 AM
#12
Count me in! Grin
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