Thanks for adding ABM.
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Topic: [GLBSE] current hashpower prices (Read 5487 times)
I included a theoretical daily paid "bond" with exactly 100% PPS as first line. This means you should have gotten close to 2 Bitcents in April in total, if the bond mined through all of April and paid dividends in time (if that's what you meant with "BTC per MH/s").
Another "BTC per MH" metric are the "1 theoretical MH/s in Q2/2012 costs" and the "1 dividend MH/s in Q2/2012 costs" columns. The first one is the same as in kakobrekla's chart "1mh cost (ask)", the second one takes a look at dividends so far and guesses that these represent the fraction of dividends that will be paid in the future as well. It is maybe more useful for mining company shares (how big is the operator/electricity cut really?), but can also be used to track if the bonds are really paying up.
Another "BTC per MH" metric are the "1 theoretical MH/s in Q2/2012 costs" and the "1 dividend MH/s in Q2/2012 costs" columns. The first one is the same as in kakobrekla's chart "1mh cost (ask)", the second one takes a look at dividends so far and guesses that these represent the fraction of dividends that will be paid in the future as well. It is maybe more useful for mining company shares (how big is the operator/electricity cut really?), but can also be used to track if the bonds are really paying up.
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Thank you! That's extremely useful. You might consider adding a "BTC per MH" section, or I could just get more practice at mental math and stop complaining.
Here's my overview with slightly different metrics:
I took a look at all the dividends paid in April 2012 by the various mining companies and compared them to the theoretical values should they pay out 100% PPS. Variations can occur of course because of weekly distribution of dividends instead of monthly/daily, a lot of them didn't even exist in the beginning of April...
I will post the same chart in 1 month with the data for April + May combined, then in the beginning of July with the data for the whole Q2/2102. 3 months should be a big enough sample size to make variations in payout frequency small enough to not matter.
I also gave the numbers for 1 MH/s (in current ask prices) for the claimed hash rate and for a dividend equivalent of 1 MH/s PPS. It's quite interesting to see how much mining companies especially differ in their dividend payouts and how well they actually pay out compared to bonds!
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I took a look at all the dividends paid in April 2012 by the various mining companies and compared them to the theoretical values should they pay out 100% PPS. Variations can occur of course because of weekly distribution of dividends instead of monthly/daily, a lot of them didn't even exist in the beginning of April...
I will post the same chart in 1 month with the data for April + May combined, then in the beginning of July with the data for the whole Q2/2102. 3 months should be a big enough sample size to make variations in payout frequency small enough to not matter.
I also gave the numbers for 1 MH/s (in current ask prices) for the claimed hash rate and for a dividend equivalent of 1 MH/s PPS. It's quite interesting to see how much mining companies especially differ in their dividend payouts and how well they actually pay out compared to bonds!
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| Ticker | Shares | MH/s (claimed) | theoretical MH/s per share | Dividends per share paid in Q2/2012 | % of theoretical MH/s paid in Q2/2012 | Current ask price | 1 theoretical MH/s in Q2/2012 costs | 1 dividend MH/s in Q2/2012 costs | Comments |
| Bonds: | |||||||||
| 100% PPS daily | 1 | 1 | 1.00 | 0.01901707 | 100.00% | not applicable | not applicable | not applicable | theoretical values |
| BFLS | 2000 | 8300 | 4.15 | 0.00500000 | 6.34% | 1.20000000 | 0.28915663 | 4.56409562 | started in the end of April (date unclear) |
| BITBOND | 10000 | 21000 | 2.10 | 0.03037642 | 76.06% | 0.63400000 | 0.30190476 | 0.39691377 | "105%" PPS, started on 8th of April |
| BMMO | 10000 | 10000 | 1.00 | 0.01480000 | 77.82% | 0.36999989 | 0.36999989 | 0.47542649 | |
| GIGAMINING | 10000 | 50000 | 5.00 | 0.06723132 | 70.71% | 1.50999999 | 0.30200000 | 0.42711891 | started on 9th(?) of April |
| JAH | 2500 | 2625 | 1.05 | 0.00829560 | 41.54% | 0.30000000 | 0.28571429 | 0.68772838 | "105% PPS", started on 26th of April |
| PUREMINING | 10000 | 10000 | 1.00 | 0.01971308 | 103.66% | 0.47999000 | 0.47999000 | 0.46304287 | |
| YABMC | 5000 | 5000 | 1.00 | 0.00865824 | 45.53% | 0.34900000 | 0.34900000 | 0.76654790 | started on 13th of April |
| Shares: | |||||||||
| ABM | 1000 | 830 | 0.83 | 0.00349987 | 22.17% | 0.24000000 | 0.28915663 | 1.30407576 | started ~middle of April (date unclear) |
| COGNITIVE | 5000 | 7600 | 1.52 | 0.01497473 | 51.81% | 0.61000000 | 0.40131579 | 0.77466570 | started ~middle of April (date unclear) |
| FPGA.CONTRACT | 6000 | 2800 | 0.47 | 0.00806747 | 90.90% | 0.42800000 | 0.91714286 | 1.00890414 | |
| JLP-BMD | 8001 | 3350 | 0.42 | 0.01033380 | 129.78% | 0.25000000 | 0.59708955 | 0.46006951 | sold lucrative mining contracts |
| MERGEDMINING | 10000 | 1080 | 0.11 | 0.00400000 | 194.76% | 0.15700000 | 1.45370370 | 0.74641980 | Hash rate unclear/not reported |
| TYGRR | 1500 | 12000 | 8.00 | 0.08089380 | 53.17% | 2.17500000 | 0.27187500 | 0.51131380 | 47.5% is saved for expansion, 5% to operator |
New GLBSE api returns some volume data, so that is now included in the table.
1mh 7d avg = normalized 7 day average trading price
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notes:
BITBOND has 31000 shares issued (happened recently). No impact on the maths since its a bond.
JLP-BDM has 8001 issued but its waiting for new HW atm - so anything I do isn't fair. Except for taking out all shares completely.
1mh 7d avg = normalized 7 day average trading price
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notes:
BITBOND has 31000 shares issued (happened recently). No impact on the maths since its a bond.
JLP-BDM has 8001 issued but its waiting for new HW atm - so anything I do isn't fair. Except for taking out all shares completely.
Here is the shit, judge for yourself. Added JAH - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitfunderrtm-rastamine-22-ths-perpetual-mining-bond-77121.
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Not sure there has been much change the past 2-3 days...
Well, I've put together a nice spreadsheet calculating PPS values and comparing them with payouts so far. It really shows some interesting numbers, but I think I'll still wait a bit until I release it to the public, as quite a few companies/bonds haven't even paid any dividends in April so far and you for example also just have paid for a week (showing ~23% of expected value on my chart right now). Stay tuned for May (or bribe me into releasing it early 
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It doesn't take into account current share values though, so if you just want to buy the cheapest bond per MH/s, the pictures ehre are certainly useful. If you want to know how high the operator cut in the shares is though and which ones pay out regularly and fairly compared to PPS values, I might be of help here...
(P.S.: looking at the numbers I now know why FPGA.CONTRACTs and PUREMINING shares are so expensive)
)!It doesn't take into account current share values though, so if you just want to buy the cheapest bond per MH/s, the pictures ehre are certainly useful. If you want to know how high the operator cut in the shares is though and which ones pay out regularly and fairly compared to PPS values, I might be of help here...
(P.S.: looking at the numbers I now know why FPGA.CONTRACTs and PUREMINING shares are so expensive) 
GIGA looks best bang for the buck for the moment again.
This is in line with what I was trying to do. Provide the best value possible for potential investors.
It looks like I have achieved this and have help early investor see big gains on their bonds face value.
Todays update...
YABMC has sold IPO shares and is trading above that, GIGA looks best bang for the buck for the moment again.
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YABMC has sold IPO shares and is trading above that, GIGA looks best bang for the buck for the moment again.
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This is a number that's nearly impossible to obtain, as some of these bonds and shares are worded quite vaguely (example? BMMO has a fee of "currently" 0.003 BTC/month/share).
I'm in the process of calculating the 100% PPS values for each month, once the second difficulty shift in the end of April (or beginning of May?) is done, I'll calculate "theoretical PPS" values per bond/share according to their payouts.
Please not that there will be some variance, as some pay out only every 2 weeks and others pay out every few days (PUREMINING vs. YABMC), but subsequently compounded calculations for quarter, half and full years over the time should decrease this.
As most were struggling in March with dividends and some didn't exist back there, I don't want to give out preliminary results. Wait for the end of April for that or do the calculations yourself - it's quite interesting (example: in Q1 1 MH/s should have earned you a few satoshis less than 0.0671)!
I'm in the process of calculating the 100% PPS values for each month, once the second difficulty shift in the end of April (or beginning of May?) is done, I'll calculate "theoretical PPS" values per bond/share according to their payouts.
Please not that there will be some variance, as some pay out only every 2 weeks and others pay out every few days (PUREMINING vs. YABMC), but subsequently compounded calculations for quarter, half and full years over the time should decrease this.
As most were struggling in March with dividends and some didn't exist back there, I don't want to give out preliminary results. Wait for the end of April for that or do the calculations yourself - it's quite interesting (example: in Q1 1 MH/s should have earned you a few satoshis less than 0.0671)!
I suggest having a "total dividends per MH/s paid in Q1 2012 (Jan/Feb/Mar)" (only on GLBSE 2.0) and a "total dividends per MH/s paid in Q2 2012 (Apr/May/Jun)" column, this will maybe show the far lower profit of shares vs. bonds better.
Even better, though harder to obtain, would be total net earnings per MH/s for each quarter. This would take into account that some pay out most of their earnings to shareholders, whereas other hold some back for growth (and hopefully increased earnings in the future, reflected in increased share price). If you just count dividends paid, those paying 100 % will look much better than those withholding, say, 50% for reinvestment in more hashing power.
And this
05:22.50 ( `MBot ) [ GLBSE ] [ TRADE ] [ BFLS ] [ 2 @ 1.475 = 2.950000 BTC ]
05:22.52 ( `MBot ) [ GLBSE ] [ TRADE ] [ BFLS ] [ 2 @ 1.5 = 3.000000 BTC ]
05:23.48 ( `MBot ) [ GLBSE ] [ TRADE ] [ BFLS ] [ 25 @ 2.0 = 50.000000 BTC ]
places COGNITIVE above BFLS. Also notice huge drop on the cognitive bid. Ask didnt move much.
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The calculation takes into account your 5% fee (which is essentially 95%pps).
What it doesn't take into account is electricity fees (as your contract on the site says - or did that change?) and any NMC bonuses.
05:22.50 ( `MBot ) [ GLBSE ] [ TRADE ] [ BFLS ] [ 2 @ 1.475 = 2.950000 BTC ]
05:22.52 ( `MBot ) [ GLBSE ] [ TRADE ] [ BFLS ] [ 2 @ 1.5 = 3.000000 BTC ]
05:23.48 ( `MBot ) [ GLBSE ] [ TRADE ] [ BFLS ] [ 25 @ 2.0 = 50.000000 BTC ]
places COGNITIVE above BFLS. Also notice huge drop on the cognitive bid. Ask didnt move much.
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for tygrr the dividend includes name coin bonus and we already took out the cost of electric. i do not understand the note at the end.
The calculation takes into account your 5% fee (which is essentially 95%pps).
What it doesn't take into account is electricity fees (as your contract on the site says - or did that change?) and any NMC bonuses.
Looking at actual dividends you are far from being the best value, don't worry...
Electricity costs seem to be a major factor in your case.
I suggest having a "total dividends per MH/s paid in Q1 2012 (Jan/Feb/Mar)" (only on GLBSE 2.0) and a "total dividends per MH/s paid in Q2 2012 (Apr/May/Jun)" column, this will maybe show the far lower profit of shares vs. bonds better.
Electricity costs seem to be a major factor in your case.
I suggest having a "total dividends per MH/s paid in Q1 2012 (Jan/Feb/Mar)" (only on GLBSE 2.0) and a "total dividends per MH/s paid in Q2 2012 (Apr/May/Jun)" column, this will maybe show the far lower profit of shares vs. bonds better.
Rebumping because it hasn't been fixed yet...
Sorry, I think this should be it.
To avoid further mess and try to stay relevant, last IPO price is the IPO price.
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Now you are placed above BFLS.
JLP-BMD has 8,001 issues, but only 4,427 shares sold...
So it should look more like 0.7590 MHash/share, giving JLP-BMD a 0.2754 BTC per MHash bid and a 0.3161 BTC per MHash ask. (0.209 BTC Bid/0.2399 BTC Ask)
We also had 2 IPO prices, first we sold 2,205 shares for 0.1 BTC, and now we've sold 2,222 shares for 0.25 BTC, I'm not sure how you want to play with that one...
So it should look more like 0.7590 MHash/share, giving JLP-BMD a 0.2754 BTC per MHash bid and a 0.3161 BTC per MHash ask. (0.209 BTC Bid/0.2399 BTC Ask)
We also had 2 IPO prices, first we sold 2,205 shares for 0.1 BTC, and now we've sold 2,222 shares for 0.25 BTC, I'm not sure how you want to play with that one...
Rebumping because it hasn't been fixed yet...
PureMining is 1 MH/s/bond.
Correct, i got confused with the new relase of 2000 shares and order of 13 bfl singles. Obviously only 2gh of that is going to shareholders. My bad. Lemme fix it right up.
EDIT: Fixed, pic back up.
PureMining is 1 MH/s/bond.
To avoid further mess and try to stay relevant, last IPO price is the IPO price.
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sorted by 1mh cost ask, grouped by type.
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sorted by 1mh cost ask, grouped by type.
Thanks, will publish new numbers in a min.
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