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December 09, 2015, 01:18:39 PM
#33
greg maxwell is also an idiot, sooo
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December 09, 2015, 12:21:58 PM
#32
Look at Nick Szabo's reaction when she asked, "Who are you...?" and they pan the camera over to her... I think he smelled the bullshit way in advance or he knows more than what

he is revealing. I still think Nick is one of a group of people making up the Satoshi Nakamoto team... how ironic that Craig Wright ends up in that panel. I guess we will never know.

I just hope we will know before this person die, I would want him/her to receive all the accolades they deserve.  Grin

Yes I was watching the video for the same reason.
I looked at Szabo to see his reaction.He showed a very light smile and then covered his mouth with his hands.It was kind of bizarre.
And how got this Craig Wright invited?
In the video it is just said Michele Seven knows him from twitter and invited him.
But who has known this guy before?
This is so weird.
But it would be crazy if he really holds seveal hundred thousands of bitcoins, which ATO might be going for now.


Money talks, I am sure if he offered them money to be invited and showed he has some knowledge they would easily invite him.
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December 09, 2015, 01:14:21 PM
#32
From reddit:

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I genuinely don't understand the logic people are following. The article presents some evidence and then seems to go back and disprove it all.

    1. A "hacker" dropped off some emails and PDFs that they admit can't be verified
    2. The PGP signature matches an email that's 1 character off from Satoshi's... Which proves nothing useful and points to a forgery
    3. Later they reference the PGP signature as associated with Satoshi despite confirming that it's not
    4. He inserted the references to bitcoin into his 2009 blog posts in 2013

Then there's a video of a guy acting like a moron when someone asks when he got into Bitcoin.

How are we coming to this conclusion?

I agree, the evidence is not conclusive enough to prove this guy is Satoshi Nakamoto, you would need to take a leap of faith to do so, which is not an option.
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December 09, 2015, 12:58:52 PM
#31
It seems that this Craig guy had problems with taxes so he may have done this to get some fame, now he will do some interviews in the best paid mainstream media, become rich, pay back the taxes and then retire. Good move.
Again, more uninformed, misleading nonsense.   If a person were patient and intelligent enough to review most of the evidence that is surfacing, before rushing to speak, they might find that....

The "tax problem" is actually pretty specific with Craig's pre-planned(?) attempts to take a small portion of the "Satoshi Stash" and introduce it into the financial network in a way that allowed him to best leverage its use with the most minimal tax/loss scenario, and to influence long term tax treatment.  He did so in a way that allowed him to set a precedent, without unveiling the true scope and size of the actual "satoshi stash" that was the ultimate prize of financial integration.

Again, more evidence of a brilliance of planning and manipulation worthy of Satoshi.
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December 09, 2015, 12:44:53 PM
#30
It seems that this Craig guy had problems with taxes so he may have done this to get some fame, now he will do some interviews in the best paid mainstream media, become rich, pay back the taxes and then retire. Good move.
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December 09, 2015, 12:36:02 PM
#29
But it would be crazy if he really holds seveal hundred thousands of bitcoins, which ATO might be going for now.

ATO was investigating/working with Craig in parralel.  #1 - because of the bitcoin phenomena, as a gov't they have the responsibility to set the correct precedent.  Craig was starting up a huge bank.  Doing it properly also - sort of like Circle in the U.S. (by that I mean that Dynarius Bnk was being set up according to proper rules/regs.)

If you read one of the referenced transcripts, you will see that as the discussion/decision regarding the "Nature of Bitcoin" decision was evolving - you will see that teh very real possibility that one outcome would be that a REFUND from Gov't to Craig/Dynarius was a real possibility.  You will also see that they not only supported the advancement of the bank, they wee working very hard to get through the mandatory process of setting a firm foundation/definition of how to treat bitcoin - so that they could free up Craig to continue the project as quickly as possible. (READ the transcript - it is all there)

But unless I missed something, at no time was there a realization by ATO that Craig was actually Satoshi.  They were dealing with Huge amounts of Bitcoin, but they were looking at it as investment, trying to figure out what it meant to transfer say 30,000 Bitcoins from Wallet 1 to Wallet 2, and if that defined a change in ownership, how that applied to tax, cross border transactions etc.

WHEN the Craig = Satoshi news broke, they realized that the guy they had been working with was MUCH bigger (in potential amount of bitcoins) than they had previously been aware of.

Craig has now already pretty much concluded his "negotiations" with ATO to a degree that his future activity with the previously undisclosed bitcoins is now covered/protected by the conclusion of previous negotiation.

But of course it is never as simple as one thinks when dealing with Governments, and now Craig is based in London, with moves to Iceland.  Could be ATO is simply "making a show", or it could be they are feeling hoodwinked.

Craig does have a law degree Smiley

The "Satoshi stash" is probably now protected legally, and available to openly be used to supply all the necessary reserves for his new Bitcoin bank.  Just a thought Smiley
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December 09, 2015, 12:20:54 PM
#28
Look at Nick Szabo's reaction when she asked, "Who are you...?" and they pan the camera over to her... I think he smelled the bullshit way in advance or he knows more than what

he is revealing. I still think Nick is one of a group of people making up the Satoshi Nakamoto team... how ironic that Craig Wright ends up in that panel. I guess we will never know.

I just hope we will know before this person die, I would want him/her to receive all the accolades they deserve.  Grin

Yes I was watching the video for the same reason.
I looked at Szabo to see his reaction.He showed a very light smile and then covered his mouth with his hands.It was kind of bizarre.
And how got this Craig Wright invited?
In the video it is just said Michele Seven knows him from twitter and invited him.
But who has known this guy before?
This is so weird.
But it would be crazy if he really holds seveal hundred thousands of bitcoins, which ATO might be going for now.

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December 09, 2015, 12:16:21 PM
#27
As a followup, the argument that the preferred hashes "weren't added" to GNUGPG until after 2009 is meaningless. Read RFC 4880:

https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4880#section-9

That is the RFC from November 2007. Now look at section 9.4, the preferred hashes. Hash algorithms 1 through 11 are in there. They are not experimental, they are standard hashes.

GNUPGP was just one of a number of OpenPGP implementations. PGP itself dates back to 1991. OpenPGP to 1997. Looking at the preferred hash list is meaningless.

Cheers, not about to jump to any conclusions on it but FUD free facts are much appreciated.
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December 09, 2015, 12:15:18 PM
#26
Any chance of a bit more info on that? Hadn't bothered looking at this after the presses previous Satoshi screwups but it's starting to get interesting.

Start by searching for "Craig Wright AES" in Google Groups (old Usenets posts)
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December 09, 2015, 12:11:42 PM
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As a followup, the argument that the preferred hashes "weren't added" to GNUGPG until after 2009 is meaningless. Read RFC 4880:

https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4880#section-9

That is the RFC from November 2007. Now look at section 9.4, the preferred hashes. Hash algorithms 1 through 11 are in there. They are not experimental, they are standard hashes.

GNUPGP was just one of a number of OpenPGP implementations. PGP itself dates back to 1991. OpenPGP to 1997. Looking at the preferred hash list is meaningless.
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December 09, 2015, 11:59:37 AM
#24
Craig = Satoshi.  You can't fake most of the facts, and most of those facts fit.  AND the amount of innacurate information, exageration and FUD being propogated is growing so exponentially it is ridiculous.  This is all just conspiracy theory nonsense and drama because "Satoshi" was more fun to believe in as a purely idealistic vision - than to look at through the lens of reality.

Sort of like the whole Jesus concept.  If Jesus really were to come back, today, the first thing religion would do is beat the crap out of him and nail him up to another cross all the while screaming hysterically that he was an fraud.

LOL - same thing going on here.... Seems tech weenies are still just a step evolved above the apes, even with all your loft idealistic talk.  Your "Tech Jesus" has returned, and you scream to crucify him Smiley  Flippin monkeys.  Just when you think there is actual evolution occurring.  ROFL

LOL LOL - Oh the Hysteria Smiley

Easy.  Don't get mad bro.

I have more legitimate right to be angry than absolutely anyone posting on this forum, except for Craig himself, who I am not, although my situation is similar in parallel way.  I know that it should not make me angry that people act like people do.... but it is frustrating sometimes that there really is no helping most of this species in the end.  You will do what you will do, and you will end as you must.
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December 09, 2015, 11:52:50 AM
#23
But what if Satoshi paid him to be Satoshi?  You guys ever think of that?

No i think you're Satoshi and hiding behind a fcking troll acct. Make alot more sense


Exactly what Satoshi is doing by paying Craig to be Satoshi.
I think this will be the thought if Satoshi's account on here makes a post saying he is and signs the message.

That would be the effect of reverse psychology.  Brilliant!  Satoshi is the master of smoke and mirrors.

Lol, not so sure about the mirrors on this one Wink


If anything, that proves it is him. Specifically, the argument is this:

"PGP key.. its metadata contains cipher-suites which were not widely used until later software."

Craig was building PGP from source himself at the time. It would have included any new/experimental versions of the cipher suites. At the time, he was working with encryption. Go check his Usenet posts.


Any chance of a bit more info on that? Hadn't bothered looking at this after the presses previous Satoshi screwups but it's starting to get interesting.
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December 09, 2015, 11:41:23 AM
#22
But what if Satoshi paid him to be Satoshi?  You guys ever think of that?

No i think you're Satoshi and hiding behind a fcking troll acct. Make alot more sense


Exactly what Satoshi is doing by paying Craig to be Satoshi.
I think this will be the thought if Satoshi's account on here makes a post saying he is and signs the message.
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December 09, 2015, 11:52:38 AM
#22
Craig = Satoshi.  You can't fake most of the facts, and most of those facts fit.  AND the amount of innacurate information, exageration and FUD being propogated is growing so exponentially it is ridiculous.  This is all just conspiracy theory nonsense and drama because "Satoshi" was more fun to believe in as a purely idealistic vision - than to look at through the lens of reality.

Sort of like the whole Jesus concept.  If Jesus really were to come back, today, the first thing religion would do is beat the crap out of him and nail him up to another cross all the while screaming hysterically that he was an fraud.

LOL - same thing going on here.... Seems tech weenies are still just a step evolved above the apes, even with all your loft idealistic talk.  Your "Tech Jesus" has returned, and you scream to crucify him Smiley  Flippin monkeys.  Just when you think there is actual evolution occurring.  ROFL

LOL LOL - Oh the Hysteria Smiley


Your wrong, in crypto world you have to sign tx/message to prove ownership. He dont deliver this proof of course, you should question why and whether anybody else could claim the same as he did then.

Craig didn't just claim he was Satoshi.  He has NOT publically claimed to be Satoshi.  It is "discovery" of old posts/emails etc in which he privately admitted it to others in the very early days.  But he NEVER said he was Satoshi in the video, or in any recent communication, and has NEVER done so publically.  The media and the hyped out spreading disinformation trying to paint Craig as a glory seeker have done that.

What is apparent is that the EVIDENCE and the FACTS we have so far are leading to the conclusion Craig = Satoshi.  And it is being compiled without his involvement.   The other thing that is perfectly apparent is that IF the evidence and facts uncovered so far is correct, then every bit of it also points to the fact that he desires privacy, and is pissed that his "gift given freely" somehow creates a thought process in the general monkey population that he is somehow now indebted to you for having given you a gift, and that you have earned the right to destroy his privacy and life.  F%^$ing Selfish Losers.

And yes, he should have known that monkeys will be monkeys true to their nature.  Selfish little prigs.  And yet he grew a bannana tree for you, even though he knew you would just whine for more.

And with all that said.... in ALL worlds, he does NOT have to verify a damn thing to you.



Quick question.  Are you racist?  Grin
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December 09, 2015, 11:50:03 AM
#21
Craig = Satoshi.  You can't fake most of the facts, and most of those facts fit.  AND the amount of innacurate information, exageration and FUD being propogated is growing so exponentially it is ridiculous.  This is all just conspiracy theory nonsense and drama because "Satoshi" was more fun to believe in as a purely idealistic vision - than to look at through the lens of reality.

Sort of like the whole Jesus concept.  If Jesus really were to come back, today, the first thing religion would do is beat the crap out of him and nail him up to another cross all the while screaming hysterically that he was an fraud.

LOL - same thing going on here.... Seems tech weenies are still just a step evolved above the apes, even with all your loft idealistic talk.  Your "Tech Jesus" has returned, and you scream to crucify him Smiley  Flippin monkeys.  Just when you think there is actual evolution occurring.  ROFL

LOL LOL - Oh the Hysteria Smiley


Your wrong, in crypto world you have to sign tx/message to prove ownership. He dont deliver this proof of course, you should question why and whether anybody else could claim the same as he did then.

Craig didn't just claim he was Satoshi.  He has NOT publically claimed to be Satoshi.  It is "discovery" of old posts/emails etc in which he privately admitted it to others in the very early days.  But he NEVER said he was Satoshi in the video, or in any recent communication, and has NEVER done so publically.  The media and the hyped out spreading disinformation trying to paint Craig as a glory seeker have done that.

What is apparent is that the EVIDENCE and the FACTS we have so far are leading to the conclusion Craig = Satoshi.  And it is being compiled without his involvement.   The other thing that is perfectly apparent is that IF the evidence and facts uncovered so far is correct, then every bit of it also points to the fact that he desires privacy, and is pissed that his "gift given freely" somehow creates a thought process in the general monkey population that he is somehow now indebted to you for having given you a gift, and that you have earned the right to destroy his privacy and life.  F%^$ing Selfish Losers.

And yes, he should have known that monkeys will be monkeys true to their nature.  Selfish little prigs.  And yet he grew a bannana tree for you, even though he knew you would just whine for more.

And with all that said.... in ALL worlds, he does NOT have to verify a damn thing to you.

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December 09, 2015, 11:47:12 AM
#20
But what if Satoshi paid him to be Satoshi?  You guys ever think of that?

No i think you're Satoshi and hiding behind a fcking troll acct. Make alot more sense


Exactly what Satoshi is doing by paying Craig to be Satoshi.
I think this will be the thought if Satoshi's account on here makes a post saying he is and signs the message.

That would be the effect of reverse psychology.  Brilliant!  Satoshi is the master of smoke and mirrors.
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December 09, 2015, 11:39:02 AM
#19
But what if Satoshi paid him to be Satoshi?  You guys ever think of that?

No i think you're Satoshi and hiding behind a fcking troll acct. Make alot more sense


Exactly what Satoshi is doing by paying Craig to be Satoshi.

wut?

See what Satoshi did there?
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December 09, 2015, 11:38:08 AM
#18
But what if Satoshi paid him to be Satoshi?  You guys ever think of that?

No i think you're Satoshi and hiding behind a fcking troll acct. Make alot more sense


Exactly what Satoshi is doing by paying Craig to be Satoshi.

wut?
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December 09, 2015, 11:37:34 AM
#17
Craig = Satoshi.  You can't fake most of the facts, and most of those facts fit.  AND the amount of innacurate information, exageration and FUD being propogated is growing so exponentially it is ridiculous.  This is all just conspiracy theory nonsense and drama because "Satoshi" was more fun to believe in as a purely idealistic vision - than to look at through the lens of reality.

Sort of like the whole Jesus concept.  If Jesus really were to come back, today, the first thing religion would do is beat the crap out of him and nail him up to another cross all the while screaming hysterically that he was an fraud.

LOL - same thing going on here.... Seems tech weenies are still just a step evolved above the apes, even with all your loft idealistic talk.  Your "Tech Jesus" has returned, and you scream to crucify him Smiley  Flippin monkeys.  Just when you think there is actual evolution occurring.  ROFL

LOL LOL - Oh the Hysteria Smiley

I like the part where you actually click on the link, address the evidence presented by Greg Maxwell against Wired's supposed Craigh Wright = Satoshi evidence and address it in a meaningful way, proving Greg is wrong.

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December 09, 2015, 11:35:43 AM
#16
Dude was a fucking scammer trying to build a bitcoin bank, its sad that people could think this was real.
Did he ever say he was Satoshi or did he just imply it?

"Leaked" email....Hello?

I am just waking up to all of this, could you link me to the leaked email? Also I had to take you off ignore for this (no clue why you were on it.)

(Edit:I saw your signature and remembered who you are)
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