Topic: GMO miner B2: 7NM mining within reach? - page 2. (Read 2858 times)
Probably more like they saw the latest competitions products and decided they couldn't compete
means they fubar'd their chips. Why issue refunds if you're simply late on delivering product?
so for todays news GMO stated that they can't ship miners and they already issued some refunds to clients
even though the company is legit I was sure that something would happen, it doesn't matter who you are the pre-order stuff is always fishy
it reminded me butterflylabs
even though the company is legit I was sure that something would happen, it doesn't matter who you are the pre-order stuff is always fishy
it reminded me butterflylabs
So no B2 has shipped yet. There website claims to have hit the number for production to start on the B3, so orders have been halted, but you can send an email if still interested.
Then I read in another thread they are offering refunds for the b2 and cannot ship them.
I've requested more info, and directed them here
Then I read in another thread they are offering refunds for the b2 and cannot ship them.
I've requested more info, and directed them here
I'm just checking the threads to see if anyone ordered this miner and knows if the end of October ship date is still on the table?
I'd like to see if they are meeting the first commitment before people start shelling out for their next announcement.
I'd like to see if they are meeting the first commitment before people start shelling out for their next announcement.
All batches are sold out, no shipping info for any B2's for our buyers yet.
I'm just checking the threads to see if anyone ordered this miner and knows if the end of October ship date is still on the table?
I'd like to see if they are meeting the first commitment before people start shelling out for their next announcement.
I'd like to see if they are meeting the first commitment before people start shelling out for their next announcement.
Yea, GMO is doing it wrong. Their pretty much selling asics that plan to will host them selves. No developed for most mining facilities and date is way to far to even call them a market competitor. Then they will probably keep changing their design every few months as efficiencies or hash rates increase. Hopefully the prior.
And Bitmain's pending announcement will most likely fall into competing for market on newest specs/efficiencies.
I would think it would , but I never saw them trail in every single type of miner they were selling.
Already back to this gear it now looks like a terrible investment.
As both innosilcion and pangolin claim to work better.
and both innosilicon t2 turbo releases sooner then OCT1
as does pangolin M10.
And Bitmain's pending announcement will most likely fall into competing for market on newest specs/efficiencies.
24 TH for 2 KW?
Not very impressive if they're actually using 7nm parts.
Innosilicon has done better than THAT on new nodes....
Not very impressive if they're actually using 7nm parts.
Innosilicon has done better than THAT on new nodes....
right now gmo claims 82 watts per th
innosilicon claims 72 watts per th on a down clocked t2 turbo
and pangolin claims 65 watts per th on its new m10
so
24th doing 2000 watts for gmo ships in OCT
33th doing 2145 watts for pangolin ships in Sept
no real verification in field tests by real miners as of today.
but GMO is in trouble if both innosilicon and pangolin deliver on their claims.
24 TH for 2 KW?
Not very impressive if they're actually using 7nm parts.
Innosilicon has done better than THAT on new nodes....
Not very impressive if they're actually using 7nm parts.
Innosilicon has done better than THAT on new nodes....
Well this should make the GMO Investomers feel a little more comfortable, from the July issue of Photonics Spectra: Extreme UV Keeps Pace with Moore’s Law. Good article describing it even if it is written with more of a simplified-for-marketing vs whitepaper style.
EUV power is getting higher and more stable & mirrors are lasting longer so come Q4 7nm is finally looking to become economical for commercial production of chips vs the current Engineering samples/pre-production status.
EUV power is getting higher and more stable & mirrors are lasting longer so come Q4 7nm is finally looking to become economical for commercial production of chips vs the current Engineering samples/pre-production status.
I appreciate the insight but the argument isn't they can't, but why they don't. Ease, profits, turn to market. Or is there more I'm missing?
Yeah at least how I look at this gear.
Anyone with an understanding of mining won’t want this gear.
Two fans pull 62 watts.
Must force feed it cold air.
So if margins stay tight I am going to lose quite a bit of money feeding cool air to it.
If a fan has an issue gear may over heat.
So basically this miner is for an ac hosting place with crazy cheap power. And is short on space.
I simple don’t see why you buy this using 82 watts per th and needing ac
Over the Avalon the s9 or the t1/t2. All of which can survive a 90f room with fan cooling.
Doesn't seem like it's helping the time to market if they're not gonna be shipping units for three months anyway. Making a case is a heck of a lot faster than making enough 7nm ASICs to put in it, and getting them installed on the boards.
Canaan's machines are better thought out in pretty much every way. If I'm remembering right, Canaan was started by the engineers left in the rubble of Avalon ripping off most of its customers and skedaddling with all the money. Putting more engineers in charge of a product instead of bean-counters is probably a good way to go if you want something to actually work well.
Canaan's machines are better thought out in pretty much every way. If I'm remembering right, Canaan was started by the engineers left in the rubble of Avalon ripping off most of its customers and skedaddling with all the money. Putting more engineers in charge of a product instead of bean-counters is probably a good way to go if you want something to actually work well.
I appreciate the insight but the argument isn't they can't, but why they don't. Ease, profits, turn to market. Or is there more I'm missing?
Only advantage is in the way of using manufacturing already in place. If you mimic you can turn units quickly since you don't have to retool a factory especially if you own your own facility (turn time is even more accelerated).
In-place mfg such as what?PCB assembly houses do not care about the shape of boards, they can make and stuff any shape/size you want.
As for the housing, Bitmain uses an extruded tube and ja an extrusion die cost $$$ to make however there are many extruded tube/case profiles that could be used 'off-the-shelf'. Canaan and GMO are using machined frames and simple bent covers which of course means that they could use any style case they want to.
Only advantage is in the way of using manufacturing already in place. If you mimic you can turn units quickly since you don't have to retool a factory especially if you own your own facility (turn time is even more accelerated).
Canaan is a great example of design intuitiveness. Still though the concept is the same, just more thought into delivering a better product (my personal opinion) with subtle but effective changes. As a buyer you're rewarded with it. If you're following my post on heat here lately I am less nervous about my avalons then my antminers. Would love a T1 but with prices probably looking at other units.
Back to the b2/3 concept, if you're facilities cooling is on point it doesn't matter. Stuff the jar, suck the power (if it's cheap), mine blocks. These things aren't made for me and mining at home.
Then any miner wants a solid combination of hash and efficiencies. My point is that GMO is taking this model to the extreme. I hope companies pick up on this and look to adjust in a better direction like we're all saying in different ways. Better efficiencies, cooling design, and voltage control.
I don't need a miner that looks like Arnold would have over his shoulder ready to fire from a helicopter.
Canaan is a great example of design intuitiveness. Still though the concept is the same, just more thought into delivering a better product (my personal opinion) with subtle but effective changes. As a buyer you're rewarded with it. If you're following my post on heat here lately I am less nervous about my avalons then my antminers. Would love a T1 but with prices probably looking at other units.
Back to the b2/3 concept, if you're facilities cooling is on point it doesn't matter. Stuff the jar, suck the power (if it's cheap), mine blocks. These things aren't made for me and mining at home.
Then any miner wants a solid combination of hash and efficiencies. My point is that GMO is taking this model to the extreme. I hope companies pick up on this and look to adjust in a better direction like we're all saying in different ways. Better efficiencies, cooling design, and voltage control.
I don't need a miner that looks like Arnold would have over his shoulder ready to fire from a helicopter.
Profits are a huge motivator, that's why it would be a bold move to break the norm and why other people conform to meet the expectation. In a sense at this point to deliver anything else to market would be "rebellious" even as we agree completely, that it would only make sense to do so to deliver a quality product.
They are not taking advantage of other designers.
use avalon 841 heatssinks
use halong t1 style firmware for speed control
82 watts per th
fast speed 15 th 1230 watts
medium speed 13 th 1066 watts
slow speed 12 th 984 watts
easy peasy
Profits are a huge motivator, that's why it would be a bold move to break the norm and why other people conform to meet the expectation. In a sense at this point to deliver anything else to market would be "rebellious" even as we agree completely, that it would only make sense to do so to deliver a quality product.
You mean like literally everyone was doing before the S7 became popular? And like Canaan still does?
The narrow tube design with heat sinks packed in like cotton balls is a lazy way to put way too much power in a tiny box. A tiny box nobody's asking for. A tiny box that substantially reduces system reliability (not just by baking the crap out of your silicon, but by relying heavily on overtaxed mechanical components like high-speed fans and assumptions about ambient conditions - these would die rapidly without chilled, dust-free air), in a time when breakeven returns will take a year longer than the warranty period.
It doesn't really take boldness. Just takes common sense, a little bit of extra R&D and prioritizing providing durable quality hardware to the customer over making immediate large profits.
The narrow tube design with heat sinks packed in like cotton balls is a lazy way to put way too much power in a tiny box. A tiny box nobody's asking for. A tiny box that substantially reduces system reliability (not just by baking the crap out of your silicon, but by relying heavily on overtaxed mechanical components like high-speed fans and assumptions about ambient conditions - these would die rapidly without chilled, dust-free air), in a time when breakeven returns will take a year longer than the warranty period.
It doesn't really take boldness. Just takes common sense, a little bit of extra R&D and prioritizing providing durable quality hardware to the customer over making immediate large profits.
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