Topic: God is both good and evil - page 5. (Read 5113 times)
Every person in life encounters good and evil, and always in this, either thanks or accuses God. It could be answered that God is both evil and good at the same time, but in my opinion this is not so.
God cannot be evil, cause he is 100% good.
Joshuar is just playing with us in this thread. Did you look at the Bible passage he quoted in the OP? It doesn't say anything about whether or not God is evil or good. All it says about evil is that God creates evil. Joshuar is simply playing with people's minds.
To create evil you must know evil. I'm not sure if you're mentally handicapped, but an entirely good god cannot create evil. A good god would be entirely free from the very concept of evil. Therefore, to create evil one must also know evil and all it entails, therefore god is partly evil as he created the very concept of "evil".
So, you who can barely track your way to the store, suddenly understands a God Who can track all the molecules, atoms, electrons, protons, etc.
Use your brain
Isaiah 45:7, "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."
All things come from God, the good, the evil, the pretty, the ugly. God is the progenitor of everything, therefore it is impossible for god to be entirely good. If you believe "satan" created evil, then that puts Satan on equal footing with God in terms of power because that would mean he has the ability to create concepts themselves(such as evilness).... Point is, the god we worship is just like us, both Good and Evil.
As I said. The giving God produced everything good. He also allowed us the freedom of requesting anything from Him. When we requested evil, he was stuck into a position that was going to make Him do evil. But He worked His way out of that position by being a God of 3 Persons. One of those Persons died on the cross, and arose on the third day after, so that God wouldn't have to do evil. Because of this, evil is not evil in God's sight... but only temporarily in ours. God is going to righteously destroy the things that are considered evil here, so that even WE PEOPLE don't have to spend time in our evil any longer.
Get into God's salvation and lose all your evil, or be destroyed with the rest of the evil.
So, now you're comparing scientists to god(So according to that logic, scientists are gods...hm). You can't use such analogies therefore your point is mute, scientists do not create concepts, they simply work on them.
It doesn't matter what you personally believe, because what you personally believe about god being all good, goes against what the bible says, aka you're going against god.
It matters what I personally believe when I am right. The Bible never says that God is anything other than good.You cannot have evil without the concept of evil being created, therefore God has created the very concept of evil itself, so God knows evil.
God is evil, and it says so in the bible regardlfess of whatever nonsense you try and make yourself believe otherwise. Christ and god the father are the same being according to the bible, so stop making up lies concerning "worked his way out of that position by being a God of 3 persons", No, theres only 1 god with three different facets that humans can look at(The father, christ, and the spirit), but they are ultimately sides of one being.
Simply because people don't understand things about God, is no reason to not accept and believe them. God is One. At the same time He is three distinct Persons in God. At the same time each of those distinct Persons is entirely God. This is Biblical.The Bible says that God is good. It never says that God is evil. Because God creates evil doesn't ever mean He is evil or that evil can be found in Him. It can be this way because He is God. You speak from the stanpoint of man, and try to use man's logic on God. Such can't be done accurately.
Isaiah 45:7, "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."
God does the things He says in Isaiah 45:7. He never says that He is evil or even does evil. You barely know about God at all, it seems.
Evidently you are against the bible, since you are not listening to what it says. God created evil. If God hadn't created evil as said in the bible, there would be no misery in this world.
Even if we were to believe god isn't evil(Which he is according to the bible), he CREATED evil, so either way you look at it, God is the reason behind all suffering and evil in this world. He is the reason people are killed, raped, tortured, ridden with disease, etc, because he created/creates evil. God is Evil, and the Bible says it.
Isaiah 45:7, "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."
God cannot be evil, cause he is 100% good.
Joshuar is just playing with us in this thread. Did you look at the Bible passage he quoted in the OP? It doesn't say anything about whether or not God is evil or good. All it says about evil is that God creates evil. Joshuar is simply playing with people's minds.
To create evil you must know evil. I'm not sure if you're mentally handicapped, but an entirely good god cannot create evil. A good god would be entirely free from the very concept of evil. Therefore, to create evil one must also know evil and all it entails, therefore god is partly evil as he created the very concept of "evil".
So, you who can barely track your way to the store, suddenly understands a God Who can track all the molecules, atoms, electrons, protons, etc.
Use your brain
Isaiah 45:7, "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."
All things come from God, the good, the evil, the pretty, the ugly. God is the progenitor of everything, therefore it is impossible for god to be entirely good. If you believe "satan" created evil, then that puts Satan on equal footing with God in terms of power because that would mean he has the ability to create concepts themselves(such as evilness).... Point is, the god we worship is just like us, both Good and Evil.
As I said. The giving God produced everything good. He also allowed us the freedom of requesting anything from Him. When we requested evil, he was stuck into a position that was going to make Him do evil. But He worked His way out of that position by being a God of 3 Persons. One of those Persons died on the cross, and arose on the third day after, so that God wouldn't have to do evil. Because of this, evil is not evil in God's sight... but only temporarily in ours. God is going to righteously destroy the things that are considered evil here, so that even WE PEOPLE don't have to spend time in our evil any longer.
Get into God's salvation and lose all your evil, or be destroyed with the rest of the evil.
So, now you're comparing scientists to god(So according to that logic, scientists are gods...hm). You can't use such analogies therefore your point is mute, scientists do not create concepts, they simply work on them.
It doesn't matter what you personally believe, because what you personally believe about god being all good, goes against what the bible says, aka you're going against god.
It matters what I personally believe when I am right. The Bible never says that God is anything other than good.You cannot have evil without the concept of evil being created, therefore God has created the very concept of evil itself, so God knows evil.
God is evil, and it says so in the bible regardlfess of whatever nonsense you try and make yourself believe otherwise. Christ and god the father are the same being according to the bible, so stop making up lies concerning "worked his way out of that position by being a God of 3 persons", No, theres only 1 god with three different facets that humans can look at(The father, christ, and the spirit), but they are ultimately sides of one being.
Simply because people don't understand things about God, is no reason to not accept and believe them. God is One. At the same time He is three distinct Persons in God. At the same time each of those distinct Persons is entirely God. This is Biblical.The Bible says that God is good. It never says that God is evil. Because God creates evil doesn't ever mean He is evil or that evil can be found in Him. It can be this way because He is God. You speak from the stanpoint of man, and try to use man's logic on God. Such can't be done accurately.
Isaiah 45:7, "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."
God does the things He says in Isaiah 45:7. He never says that He is evil or even does evil. You barely know about God at all, it seems.
God cannot be evil, cause he is 100% good.
God is not evil. He is just and gives the person what he deserves. If a person lives sinfully, does not care about anyone and destroys nature, he will be punished according to God's law.
God cannot be evil, cause he is 100% good.
Joshuar is just playing with us in this thread. Did you look at the Bible passage he quoted in the OP? It doesn't say anything about whether or not God is evil or good. All it says about evil is that God creates evil. Joshuar is simply playing with people's minds.
To create evil you must know evil. I'm not sure if you're mentally handicapped, but an entirely good god cannot create evil. A good god would be entirely free from the very concept of evil. Therefore, to create evil one must also know evil and all it entails, therefore god is partly evil as he created the very concept of "evil".
So, you who can barely track your way to the store, suddenly understands a God Who can track all the molecules, atoms, electrons, protons, etc.
Use your brain
Isaiah 45:7, "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."
All things come from God, the good, the evil, the pretty, the ugly. God is the progenitor of everything, therefore it is impossible for god to be entirely good. If you believe "satan" created evil, then that puts Satan on equal footing with God in terms of power because that would mean he has the ability to create concepts themselves(such as evilness).... Point is, the god we worship is just like us, both Good and Evil.
As I said. The giving God produced everything good. He also allowed us the freedom of requesting anything from Him. When we requested evil, he was stuck into a position that was going to make Him do evil. But He worked His way out of that position by being a God of 3 Persons. One of those Persons died on the cross, and arose on the third day after, so that God wouldn't have to do evil. Because of this, evil is not evil in God's sight... but only temporarily in ours. God is going to righteously destroy the things that are considered evil here, so that even WE PEOPLE don't have to spend time in our evil any longer.
Get into God's salvation and lose all your evil, or be destroyed with the rest of the evil.
So, now you're comparing scientists to god(So according to that logic, scientists are gods...hm). You can't use such analogies therefore your point is mute, scientists do not create concepts, they simply work on them. It doesn't matter what you personally believe, because what you personally believe about god being all good, goes against what the bible says, aka you're going against god.
You cannot have evil without the concept of evil being created, therefore God has created the very concept of evil itself, so God knows evil. God is evil, and it says so in the bible regardlfess of whatever nonsense you try and make yourself believe otherwise. Christ and god the father are the same being according to the bible, so stop making up lies concerning "worked his way out of that position by being a God of 3 persons", No, theres only 1 god with three different facets that humans can look at(The father, christ, and the spirit), but they are ultimately sides of one being.
Isaiah 45:7, "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."
God is good, but he is sending people tests so that they become stronger and develop. Whoever goes in the wrong way can also punish.
God cannot be evil, cause he is 100% good.
Joshuar is just playing with us in this thread. Did you look at the Bible passage he quoted in the OP? It doesn't say anything about whether or not God is evil or good. All it says about evil is that God creates evil. Joshuar is simply playing with people's minds.
To create evil you must know evil. I'm not sure if you're mentally handicapped, but an entirely good god cannot create evil. A good god would be entirely free from the very concept of evil. Therefore, to create evil one must also know evil and all it entails, therefore god is partly evil as he created the very concept of "evil".
So, you who can barely track your way to the store, suddenly understands a God Who can track all the molecules, atoms, electrons, protons, etc.
Use your brain
Isaiah 45:7, "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."
All things come from God, the good, the evil, the pretty, the ugly. God is the progenitor of everything, therefore it is impossible for god to be entirely good. If you believe "satan" created evil, then that puts Satan on equal footing with God in terms of power because that would mean he has the ability to create concepts themselves(such as evilness).... Point is, the god we worship is just like us, both Good and Evil.
As I said. The giving God produced everything good. He also allowed us the freedom of requesting anything from Him. When we requested evil, he was stuck into a position that was going to make Him do evil. But He worked His way out of that position by being a God of 3 Persons. One of those Persons died on the cross, and arose on the third day after, so that God wouldn't have to do evil. Because of this, evil is not evil in God's sight... but only temporarily in ours. God is going to righteously destroy the things that are considered evil here, so that even WE PEOPLE don't have to spend time in our evil any longer.
Get into God's salvation and lose all your evil, or be destroyed with the rest of the evil.
God cannot be evil, cause he is 100% good.
Joshuar is just playing with us in this thread. Did you look at the Bible passage he quoted in the OP? It doesn't say anything about whether or not God is evil or good. All it says about evil is that God creates evil. Joshuar is simply playing with people's minds.
To create evil you must know evil. I'm not sure if you're mentally handicapped, but an entirely good god cannot create evil. A good god would be entirely free from the very concept of evil. Therefore, to create evil one must also know evil and all it entails, therefore god is partly evil as he created the very concept of "evil".
Use your brain
Isaiah 45:7, "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."
All things come from God, the good, the evil, the pretty, the ugly. God is the progenitor of everything, therefore it is impossible for god to be entirely good. If you believe "satan" created evil, then that puts Satan on equal footing with God in terms of power because that would mean he has the ability to create concepts themselves(such as evilness).... Point is, the god we worship is just like us, both Good and Evil.
God cannot be evil, cause he is 100% good.
Joshuar is just playing with us in this thread. Did you look at the Bible passage he quoted in the OP? It doesn't say anything about whether or not God is evil or good. All it says about evil is that God creates evil. Joshuar is simply playing with people's minds.
I give up. This quote from THE BIBLE, Isaiah 45:7, "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things." clearly says that God creates evil, yet these trolls are still saying "god is all good", when the very object you consider sacred(Your holy book) says hes evil!
Makes no sense, honestly this is why I consider most religious folk to be uneducated and averse to critical reasoning, or simple logic. Somethings very off with you folks
Makes no sense, honestly this is why I consider most religious folk to be uneducated and averse to critical reasoning, or simple logic. Somethings very off with you folks
The thing that does make sense is, Adam and Eve sinned by believing and obeying the serpent rather than God, in the Garden. Did they understand what they were in essence doing? Of course not. Otherwise they would have never listened to the serpent.
We are a lot further from perfection. We don't understand what we are doing if we obey God or not. We don't understand how God can remain good even if he brings forth evil... even though I have explained it right in this thread.
The point is, believe God even if you don't understand Him. Then obey Him. Believe in Jesus salvation, and live forever in glory and joy. Or don't believe or obey, and die.
What do you expect from people that believe in fairy tales? Intelligence?
I give up. This quote from THE BIBLE, Isaiah 45:7, "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things." clearly says that God creates evil, yet these trolls are still saying "god is all good", when the very object you consider sacred(Your holy book) says hes evil!
Makes no sense, honestly this is why I consider most religious folk to be uneducated and averse to critical reasoning, or simple logic. Somethings very off with you folks
Makes no sense, honestly this is why I consider most religious folk to be uneducated and averse to critical reasoning, or simple logic. Somethings very off with you folks
God is an infinite love for everything on earth. Kindness is one of the manifestations of love. And what people perceive as evil is a manifestation of justice.
Does god even exist?
Yes. Science proves that God exists and created all things...
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10718395
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16803380.
Keep in mind, 100% (ALL) of Christianity is derived from one book written by stoners.
Everything that has come since is based on that.
It's a tower built on a shoddy foundation.
Everything that has come since is based on that.
It's a tower built on a shoddy foundation.
Does god even exist?
No it is not. Because God delivered a right run way for everyone. He can not want it we run on the path of evil. He want it we come after the right path which delivered by Him for the whole mankind. Man can follow one from the both way which his freedom. When he decline the right path he go way on the evil it is responsibility for him. So The God Is not both good and evil.
God is good all the time. You just need to obey Him and follow all the Godly words. God pours out salvation and blessings on those whom He favors. And God brings disaster to those who continue to rebel against Him.
We, human gives definition the word "disaster" as evil. Because the evil is bad and does disaster.
God does not create evil but human being does.
We, human gives definition the word "disaster" as evil. Because the evil is bad and does disaster.
God does not create evil but human being does.
Right, so I'm not sure if you'e all retarded or just haven't read the OP.
This post comes from THE BIBLE. Meaning if you are christian and believe in the bible, then you CANNOT doubt this. It says in the bible that god is BOTH good and evil. Meaning all good and evil things come from god. Satan never created evil, he just ran with it(god created evil according to the bible)
Isaiah 45:7 "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."
This post comes from THE BIBLE. Meaning if you are christian and believe in the bible, then you CANNOT doubt this. It says in the bible that god is BOTH good and evil. Meaning all good and evil things come from god. Satan never created evil, he just ran with it(god created evil according to the bible)
Isaiah 45:7 "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."
That's a translation. NIV 1984 says:
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I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things.
The point is, there is a lot of understanding that a person needs to see, to understand what is really being said. This one passage doesn't explain it all.
The structure of the universe is such that God is almighty in it. He controls all. But how does He do it? He does it by giving various amounts freedom to His creatures - angels, devils, and man. Yet the freedom that God gives them induces God to move in the way that He does, because He controls all. Nothing can be done without Him doing it.
The result of the evil that man and the devil induced God to bring about through the nature of the way the universe is built, is the thing that caused Jesus, the Son of God to die the death for all people. Jesus essentially upheld a corrupt universe that would gone out of existence instantaneously when the devil and people did the first evil. The universe would have been destroyed because God doesn't have anything to do with evil. The promise of sacrifice of Jesus changed things so that in the eyes of God, evil is accepted as good temporarily.
In the coming resurrection, good people will be separated from evil people. The evil people will be destroyed along with this evil universe. See the lake of fire in the Revelation.
There won't be any evil following that. And, since evil will have been destroyed permanently, there won't ever be any remembrance of it. Isaiah 65:17:
Quote
Behold, I will create new heavens and a new earth. The former things will not be remembered, nor will they come to mind.
Evil, having to do with this universe, just like time has to do with this universe, will be gone along with time when the universe is destroyed. Since time will be gone, there will never have been any evil. There won't be such a thing as "have been."
Stop trying to get away from what the quote is saying. God creates disasters and evil, therefore God is NOT ALL GOOD. He is evil, accept it.
However, when God reveals us to Himself in the judgment, be sure to be found on His side, so that you can be saved with the righteous rather than destroyed with the unrighteous.
Right, so I'm not sure if you'e all retarded or just haven't read the OP.
This post comes from THE BIBLE. Meaning if you are christian and believe in the bible, then you CANNOT doubt this. It says in the bible that god is BOTH good and evil. Meaning all good and evil things come from god. Satan never created evil, he just ran with it(god created evil according to the bible)
Isaiah 45:7 "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."
This post comes from THE BIBLE. Meaning if you are christian and believe in the bible, then you CANNOT doubt this. It says in the bible that god is BOTH good and evil. Meaning all good and evil things come from god. Satan never created evil, he just ran with it(god created evil according to the bible)
Isaiah 45:7 "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."
That's a translation. NIV 1984 says:
Quote
I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things.
The point is, there is a lot of understanding that a person needs to see, to understand what is really being said. This one passage doesn't explain it all.
The structure of the universe is such that God is almighty in it. He controls all. But how does He do it? He does it by giving various amounts freedom to His creatures - angels, devils, and man. Yet the freedom that God gives them induces God to move in the way that He does, because He controls all. Nothing can be done without Him doing it.
The result of the evil that man and the devil induced God to bring about through the nature of the way the universe is built, is the thing that caused Jesus, the Son of God to die the death for all people. Jesus essentially upheld a corrupt universe that would gone out of existence instantaneously when the devil and people did the first evil. The universe would have been destroyed because God doesn't have anything to do with evil. The promise of sacrifice of Jesus changed things so that in the eyes of God, evil is accepted as good temporarily.
In the coming resurrection, good people will be separated from evil people. The evil people will be destroyed along with this evil universe. See the lake of fire in the Revelation.
There won't be any evil following that. And, since evil will have been destroyed permanently, there won't ever be any remembrance of it. Isaiah 65:17:
Quote
Behold, I will create new heavens and a new earth. The former things will not be remembered, nor will they come to mind.
Evil, having to do with this universe, just like time has to do with this universe, will be gone along with time when the universe is destroyed. Since time will be gone, there will never have been any evil. There won't be such a thing as "have been."
Stop trying to get away from what the quote is saying. God creates disasters and evil, therefore God is NOT ALL GOOD. He is evil, accept it.
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