Topic: Gods/Divinity is no way anyhow humanist (Read 943 times)

Not exactly. Entropy is slowed down here and there, not in general. God does this for His own purposes. He does it through the things that we call miracles... the real ones.

entropy slowed down?

so entropy was stronger beforehand and now since anomalies can be observed you think entropy slowed down or decreased in magnitude? any idea why?

Actually, they (anomalies) only show that entropy has been slowed down. Some of the slowing is in the form of temporary reversals.

you personally prove for yourselves the existence of divinity by observing anomalies in reality that disprove entropy

This is highly credible in my opinion, the intimate knowledge of God must be through personal/private revelation. That is why some people are so convinced about God, while others are not.

Thanks for this answer. Going to have a think about all of this. Very interesting.

One would have to determine that 13 billion years is a fact.

Consider erosion. If one says that erosion is offset by volcanoes and earthquakes creating new mountains, one might as well throw out all standard ideas of universe age. Why? Because upheavals in astronomy physics would exist in the same way, making all our understanding of what we see regarding the light coming, in to be incorrect illusions. Who knows the "universal volcanoes and earthquakes" that happened out there, with light patterns simply forming themselves into smooth patterns through something like Bernoulli's Principle.

Head out to the mountains sometime, and see the erosion... watch it at work in the rains and winds. The whole standard system of dating the earth to billions of years old is flawed. If present conditions were extended into the past, erosion would have almost made the whole earth into a globe with a thin layer of water surrounding all of it, volcanoes or no volcanoes.

BADecker

I have been reading some of your posts and have really enjoyed them. I want to understand this part...

This part I'm not sure what it says... I will try to rewrite in my simple english to match ... just so that I know that is what you were saying...

"Entropy shows us that the universe was created recently. How? By the complexity that it has. If the universe had been born by BB 13 billion years ago, entropy would have collapsed the complexity of it into a massless, shapeless "goo" by now. People would not exist because we are way too complex for any complexity that would exist in the universe by now."


The breakdown to randomness and disorder shows the universe was created recently.

Because it is to complex right now to have been created by big bang 13 billion years ago...

People are too complex to exist right now because the rate of break down to disorder would by now have reduced everything to shapeless goo?


Can you tell me how this rate of entrophy (is it a constant rate based on observable models or where does this rate of entropy come from?)....

Can you tell me how in 13 billion years it can be calculated and demonstrated it would have gone through a level of complexity that allowed for humans etc back to shapeless goo based on that entrophy rate.

I am not at all doubting what you say because I am sure you know a lot more about these things than myself but this part seems very interesting to me and seems a very important point I would like understand.

Maybe if you started to consider God enough in the right way, things will be maintained.

Abraham Pleads for Sodom:
The point is, if you want to see your area remain safe, be concerned about God, and get a bunch of your friends to be concerned about God.

There were probably at least thousands to hundreds of thousands of people in Sodom and Gomorrah. God would have spared them all for the sake of 10 righteous people.

Work on it, because being concerned for yourself without keeping God in the picture, won't save you.

nice to hear that from you, that means i can give a damn if somewhere outside of the place where i am, several million people die to a tsunami, or a nuclear bomb, or suffer from poverty like in all those muslim countries. thats just great
all i have to care about is my personal health, my personal wealth and god

how great.

 seals the argument!!

have not seen any explanation of non-believers that can actually stand!! there is always something to fix in the statement or arguments.. if a man can fully define the creator then the man has come under a revelation

it does not matter how tough you want to argue against the existence of God!! it won't change the fact God is God. I always say even among us gods are been found in the different field daily, we call them geniuses you can't even really explain how they became so!! 

All I know is nothing to lose if one believes in the existence of GOD

The point of God is that God is what is important, way beyond mankind. This fact is extremely important for mankind. Mankind would not exist except for God making man. Mankind is such a tiny speck of a chip off God, that without God activating the choices that man makes, man would be unable to cause activity with his choices.

God is all important to man.

i researched this world personally very carefully i am 100% sure its not just matter, energy, rays and organisms fighting for survival, but whats the point of god or how i say it divinity. what are we or i supposed to do, they are almighty they dont need anything if they are almighty. and if they are not almighty they are dangerous. only almighty gods/divinities are save to trust upon?

Damn that's freaky...
Don't want nothing inside me thanks

God's purpose isn't to appear in front of you. After all, His Spirit silently rides right along with yours in you. His purpose is to watch you in detail.

So how do we know what are His Words? God hasn't appeared in front of me to explain me this otherwise I would believe in him 100%

So heaven is somewhere in the universe for you?

The logic of God is greater than the logic of mankind. Isaiah 55:8,9:
You can't use the logic of man to understand the greatness of God. You must take God at His Word.

After all, the heavens - space and the stars - are up there. But we as people barely have been able to make it to the orbit of the moon. And even our satellites have barely made it to the edge of the Solar System.

You have identified the problem. To say it a different way...

Science has only the vague clues and hints left by nature.

The Bible is living, in the fact that there are the writings of the rabbi's that show the way the Hebrew people have interpreted Scripture all along.

The idea of interpreting the Exodus passage as meaning anything other than a standard day, is outside of what the people of Israel understood... which they understood as they did, because God wanted them to understand it that way.

Did God lie to the People of Israel? Did God want Israel to understand "day," when all along it was really "a great expanse of time?" We can tell by the recorded prophesies He made, and then how He responded when they tried to oppose God and His prophesies. Such is all over the Old Testament.

Now, here we are, trying to do the same thing. We are trying to suggest that God lied to the people, and is lying to us. The difference between now and then is, since Jesus did His work, the Law has been kept for Israel so that they don't have to do it perfectly any longer. And, non-Israel people are included in the blessings of Israel believers.

The Point? God is patient with all people. Bit His patience only lasts for a time with those who adamantly are against Him. The O.T. record shows this over and over, not only about Israel, but about other peoples, as well.

If that wasn't enough, then there are the writings of all the scientists when they do their direct and foundational work on the age of the universe. Their writings continually show that they don't know for sure. You of all people have seen this.

So, we have the Israel record vs. the science claims that they don't know for sure.

Yup but not as much as believers because once you talked to people like BADecker once or twice you stop trying to use logic to explain things about God ^^

There are plenty who question the existence of God