Gods/Divinity is no way anyhow humanist - page 3.

BADecker

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Quote from: af_newbie on December 26, 2018, 03:09:20 PM

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Quote from: BADecker on December 26, 2018, 02:45:23 PM

Here's how simple it is to prove that God exists... and some things about Him.

God Proven in 1 Minute

https://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_675386&feature=iv&src_vid=AG-IwEWo-zI&v=Y9pl-L0ckAE

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A cause cannot exist without time. The argument in the video is wrong at the 8 seconds mark.

A cause can exist without time. Your argument is wrong at its start.

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Without time you will not be able to tell what is the cause and what is the effect.

Cause and effect can only exist in a temporal system.

Without time there is no "before", so there is no cause.

Sleep on it. Maybe one day you will understand it.

For humans to understand what is cause and what is effect, does it matter? If a non-time-held cause causes a time-held existence, so what? A timeless cause can do this.

What is the temporal system you are talking about?

Why do you think that having no "before" indicates no cause? After all, time is part of what makes a time-free cause to be evident.

Perhaps you will understand that if the laws of the universe and physics are not settled, but are being set in place while an all-powerful Cause holds them in ways not present within them, that time can easily exist as caused by a Great First Cause.

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Quote from: BADecker on December 26, 2018, 03:01:11 PM

Quote from: af_newbie on December 26, 2018, 02:49:18 PM

Quote from: BADecker on December 26, 2018, 02:45:23 PM

Here's how simple it is to prove that God exists... and some things about Him.

God Proven in 1 Minute

https://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_675386&feature=iv&src_vid=AG-IwEWo-zI&v=Y9pl-L0ckAE

Cool

A cause cannot exist without time. The argument in the video is wrong at the 8 seconds mark.

A cause can exist without time. Your argument is wrong at its start.

Cool

Without time you will not be able to tell what is the cause and what is the effect.

Cause and effect can only exist in a temporal system.

Without time there is no "before", so there is no cause.

Sleep on it. Maybe one day you will understand it.

BADecker

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Quote from: af_newbie on December 26, 2018, 02:49:18 PM

Quote from: BADecker on December 26, 2018, 02:45:23 PM

Here's how simple it is to prove that God exists... and some things about Him.

God Proven in 1 Minute

https://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_675386&feature=iv&src_vid=AG-IwEWo-zI&v=Y9pl-L0ckAE

Cool

A cause cannot exist without time. The argument in the video is wrong at the 8 seconds mark.

A cause can exist without time. Your argument is wrong at its start.

Cool

af_newbie

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Quote from: BADecker on December 26, 2018, 02:45:23 PM

Here's how simple it is to prove that God exists... and some things about Him.

God Proven in 1 Minute

https://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_675386&feature=iv&src_vid=AG-IwEWo-zI&v=Y9pl-L0ckAE

Cool

A cause cannot exist without time. The argument in the video is wrong at the 8 seconds mark.

BADecker

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Here's how simple it is to prove that God exists... and some things about Him.

God Proven in 1 Minute

https://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_675386&feature=iv&src_vid=AG-IwEWo-zI&v=Y9pl-L0ckAE

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Quote from: KingScorpio on December 24, 2018, 10:01:13 PM

Quote from: ATMD on December 24, 2018, 06:50:55 AM

Quote from: BADecker on December 21, 2018, 09:36:20 AM

When God made people, He made them so well, that He thought it right to place a portion of Himself in them - their soul/spirit.

When people were deceived by their guardian angel who turned to evil, Satan, they allowed themselves to be corrupted.

You can't corrupt God. That is why God is here... to pull as many of His children out of corruption as possible. That's why God has allowed the universe to exist all these years since sin came into the world... to keep His Great Name from being tarnished by the evil that Satan spawned.

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Are we humans created with a tendency for corruption?

jes

we are created with limited reason, limited abilities. no human being is almighty with unlimited reason, so its pointless to strive for it.

There were never any human beings that were created. All were made.

God formed the first of us from the dust of the ground. Then He breathed a touch of Himself into the formation. The rest of us flow from the first, but are physically maintained from the ground, through what we eat, drink and breathe. The spark of our soul is sent from God into the us during conception, or shortly thereafter.

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Quote from: MichaelNwaogbo on December 25, 2018, 04:59:12 AM

Although the bible says we are made in God's image which literally means we share some of God's unique qualities like love, justice, wisdom and power but we are in no way created to a God because we are created with limitations and will always be dependent on God for guidance and direction.
Even when Emperor Mieji, Hirohito's grandfather in 1867 granted a constitution to his subject that stipulated that the emperor was " sacred and inviolable" yet, surprisingly to many Hirohito did not believe in his own divinity and never see himself as a god. The people generally believed that he was a god who possessed miraculous power that is why the wars Japan fought in the 20th century were waged in the emperor's name. but he had limitations and even said most of the wars fought were against his will but has to consent to his ministers showing that even if he is the king he does not have absolute power.
all of this points to the fact that human divinity is almost impossible.

absolute divinity also contains in my oppinion the irrelavance of the time dimension since humans are no four dimensional beings, we can clearly say that humans are limited.

but some think that these limitations are natural and humans have to fight for survival.

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Although the bible says we are made in God's image which literally means we share some of God's unique qualities like love, justice, wisdom and power but we are in no way created to a God because we are created with limitations and will always be dependent on God for guidance and direction.
Even when Emperor Mieji, Hirohito's grandfather in 1867 granted a constitution to his subject that stipulated that the emperor was " sacred and inviolable" yet, surprisingly to many Hirohito did not believe in his own divinity and never see himself as a god. The people generally believed that he was a god who possessed miraculous power that is why the wars Japan fought in the 20th century were waged in the emperor's name. but he had limitations and even said most of the wars fought were against his will but has to consent to his ministers showing that even if he is the king he does not have absolute power.
all of this points to the fact that human divinity is almost impossible.

KingScorpio

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Quote from: ATMD on December 24, 2018, 06:50:55 AM

Quote from: BADecker on December 21, 2018, 09:36:20 AM

When God made people, He made them so well, that He thought it right to place a portion of Himself in them - their soul/spirit.

When people were deceived by their guardian angel who turned to evil, Satan, they allowed themselves to be corrupted.

You can't corrupt God. That is why God is here... to pull as many of His children out of corruption as possible. That's why God has allowed the universe to exist all these years since sin came into the world... to keep His Great Name from being tarnished by the evil that Satan spawned.

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Are we humans created with a tendency for corruption?

jes

we are created with limited reason, limited abilities. no human being is almighty with unlimited reason, so its pointless to strive for it.

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Quote from: BADecker on December 21, 2018, 09:36:20 AM

When God made people, He made them so well, that He thought it right to place a portion of Himself in them - their soul/spirit.

When people were deceived by their guardian angel who turned to evil, Satan, they allowed themselves to be corrupted.

You can't corrupt God. That is why God is here... to pull as many of His children out of corruption as possible. That's why God has allowed the universe to exist all these years since sin came into the world... to keep His Great Name from being tarnished by the evil that Satan spawned.

Cool

Are we humans created with a tendency for corruption?

BADecker

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When God made people, He made them so well, that He thought it right to place a portion of Himself in them - their soul/spirit.

When people were deceived by their guardian angel who turned to evil, Satan, they allowed themselves to be corrupted.

You can't corrupt God. That is why God is here... to pull as many of His children out of corruption as possible. That's why God has allowed the universe to exist all these years since sin came into the world... to keep His Great Name from being tarnished by the evil that Satan spawned.

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KingScorpio

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for those who didnt understood it so far, but i say it clearly after researching te subject carefully,

you can't expect humanist priority from God/Gods or Divinity itself,

for those humans are just NPC in a MMORPG they have created.

they have very good reasons for that, and if you look at africa/india you see that,
but on the other hand they give other good things, like power and human labour cheap as pennies.

ever thought about that?

regards

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