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November 02, 2021, 06:50:29 AM

I'm not sure if this had been asked before. This is just an example of some odds that I saw recently Fighter A (1.30) vs Fighter B (3.65). With this obviously, Fighter A is the people's champ and Fighter B is the underdog.  

Regardless of who is bigger and undefeated record, let's say you have no idea who these fighters are because the names can't even be read like Ulshrkubyki vs Ykwehgyfvbh. If you only have $10 left in your sports betting account, would you go for the champ which you can only earn $3, or go for the underdog which if he got lucky can triple your money?

Personally, I will go with the favorite, assuming all circumstances are true, the bettors doesn't know the fighter and obviously you didn't know the records, only the odds.

That's what a smart gambler usually does, for the favorite, maybe the returns are small, but it's worth the risk. Unless you are really a gambler who loves to bet on the underdog in every fight and you are extremely lucky.

It depends, for me, I will certainly take a brief peek of their history, records and recent 2 fights. I won't always go for the crowd favorite and champion because it's a trap the way I usually see it.
So no matter what the odds is, aside from luck, I will certainly go for the underdog if their stats are close enough and underdogs won't be long before they can be called champions. I always prefer probabilty rates rather than betting just because the payout is double or triple. But anyways, that's my opinion and I can't say that I'm always right and win the bets.

Nice observation since eventhough how famous the fighter is there always lapses especially if the game style of the favored fighter is bit off from the underdog one and also there are so many changes or need to be consider before taking decision on this and might we can see some great flip to the result since unexpected things happen on sports. No one can predict on which team will win but what most important thing here is we already have fun watching and speculating the fight or game result.
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November 02, 2021, 04:20:06 AM

I'm not sure if this had been asked before. This is just an example of some odds that I saw recently Fighter A (1.30) vs Fighter B (3.65). With this obviously, Fighter A is the people's champ and Fighter B is the underdog.  

Regardless of who is bigger and undefeated record, let's say you have no idea who these fighters are because the names can't even be read like Ulshrkubyki vs Ykwehgyfvbh. If you only have $10 left in your sports betting account, would you go for the champ which you can only earn $3, or go for the underdog which if he got lucky can triple your money?

Personally, I will go with the favorite, assuming all circumstances are true, the bettors doesn't know the fighter and obviously you didn't know the records, only the odds.

That's what a smart gambler usually does, for the favorite, maybe the returns are small, but it's worth the risk. Unless you are really a gambler who loves to bet on the underdog in every fight and you are extremely lucky.

It depends, for me, I will certainly take a brief peek of their history, records and recent 2 fights. I won't always go for the crowd favorite and champion because it's a trap the way I usually see it.
So no matter what the odds is, aside from luck, I will certainly go for the underdog if their stats are close enough and underdogs won't be long before they can be called champions. I always prefer probabilty rates rather than betting just because the payout is double or triple. But anyways, that's my opinion and I can't say that I'm always right and win the bets.
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November 02, 2021, 04:08:27 AM
~ A recent upset just happened in boxing between Caraballo and Sultan.
The odds before the fight for Sultan was about 5.x, so Caraballo was the heavy favorite because he has 0-loss record.
So sometimes, it is really worth betting on underdog especially if you know the caliber of the underdog.
But I do agree, most of the time, bookies are giving odds based on the likelihood of the results.

We shouldn't be deceived by such things as "0-loss record", because good managers of the boxers carefully choose boxing matches  so that the opponents would be most likely beaten. This is especially true when dealing with young boxers like Carlos Caraballo, 25, and older ones like Jonas Sultan, 29. It is increasingly harder with age to maintain  that "0-loss record", so the fact that Jonas Sultan had 5 losses on the record wouldn't make him an underdog, at least in my eyes it wouldn't.
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November 02, 2021, 02:27:15 AM

I'm not sure if this had been asked before. This is just an example of some odds that I saw recently Fighter A (1.30) vs Fighter B (3.65). With this obviously, Fighter A is the people's champ and Fighter B is the underdog. 

Regardless of who is bigger and undefeated record, let's say you have no idea who these fighters are because the names can't even be read like Ulshrkubyki vs Ykwehgyfvbh. If you only have $10 left in your sports betting account, would you go for the champ which you can only earn $3, or go for the underdog which if he got lucky can triple your money?
I am not , Yeah i like thrill and risk most of my sports betting makes me decide about the big difference from the advantageous and the underdog .
But with this Big difference ? no I will go for the sure win and that is for the champion lol.
also i will Bet bigger amount in this way i can at least cover the house fees.
But of course it will be an indecision if we only have the remaining money that is likely to be used to bet allin but yes, most of us will make a safe choice by betting on the favorite fighter. There's nothing wrong with that, but it doesn't mean that a fighter who only gets odds of 3 is an underdog, because sometimes the odds ratio that isn't too far off allows both of them to have a chance to win, it's different if the odds ratio is too far, then obviously it's the underdog who will certainly lose on paper.
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November 02, 2021, 01:07:57 AM

I'm not sure if this had been asked before. This is just an example of some odds that I saw recently Fighter A (1.30) vs Fighter B (3.65). With this obviously, Fighter A is the people's champ and Fighter B is the underdog. 

Regardless of who is bigger and undefeated record, let's say you have no idea who these fighters are because the names can't even be read like Ulshrkubyki vs Ykwehgyfvbh. If you only have $10 left in your sports betting account, would you go for the champ which you can only earn $3, or go for the underdog which if he got lucky can triple your money?
I am not , Yeah i like thrill and risk most of my sports betting makes me decide about the big difference from the advantageous and the underdog .
But with this Big difference ? no I will go for the sure win and that is for the champion lol.
also i will Bet bigger amount in this way i can at least cover the house fees.
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November 02, 2021, 12:44:01 AM
Are you flipping the coin? or you are using the information to win.

The odds are always a guide to go in the trend of the presumed winning bet until the result justifies it or not.

Any bet does not stop being a probability is never a certainty, in fact it is there where as gamblers we make the difference, going against the odds must always have an analysis of the information and that gives you an intuition to bet, the reality is that are part of the betting strategy. It's not that weird.



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November 01, 2021, 09:26:22 PM
There are a number of factors which I think should matter more than just whether it is the underdog or the favorite you are choosing. For example, if this amount of money matters to me, I'd go for the favorite. But if this is the amount that's left of my $1,000 or $500, then I'd just take the risk and bet on the underdog.

But the truth is that I might not really just waste whatever amount I have left on my betting account by just blindly placing a bet on a match between two sportsmen I don't know.
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November 01, 2021, 08:41:08 PM
I do think that it all boils down to the person's capital and the amount that he is willing to bet. Personally, I bet on the 'underdog' on games or sports that I know nothing about. If I know something about a particular game and their teams (e.g. Dota 2 teams, etc.), I would be more inclined to bet against the underdog and bet on the more popular team since I have personal knowledge of their statistics, data, etc.

Betting on the underdog can be really fun especially if they get to win. For example, in the latest Dota 2 International, the team that won was considered as an 'underdog' though I betted against them and lost like 30$.
It is okay if we bet on the "underdog" if we know that team or player can win. But if we do not know anything about them, even underdogs, that will be risky as we can lose on the game we do not know. All in all, I agree that you say that will depend on his willingness to bet on what team. Maybe he feels better if he bet on the underdog or stays away from the underdog, as every gambler will have their own analysis before he bet.

In local betting, sometimes, betting on local betting will not always be a good choice because I see that if the underdog meets a strong opponent team, their chance to win will not be bigger. But we know that the underdog team can have their support in their place to change the situations.

it will depend on how good we have the information on every match and we should know that each team or player can give a surprise in the middle of the match so we need to learn more about what we should pick. We should consider many things before we place the bet because we can not always win in every match we place.
But to bet on underdog, you must need a time machine Grin.

Very rarely highly talented or most successful team or players face defeat against low ranked team or player. You cannot predict such a result for sure. I am taking about the sport like cricket, tennis, soccer and most other sports.

I know those surprising results are tend to get the bettors big profits but personally I will not risk like that.

In deep thoughts, where such betting will be possible?
I guess if you go by your patriotism then you may bet on underdog even you are aware of losing your bet. And if any surprise happens then you can easily crack 10x profits.

Other than personally knowing a player or patriotism, I could not figure out any other reason to bet on underdogs.
Patriotism could be another reason someone bet on the underdogs as they see the underdogs can surprise in the middle of the match. But that will depend on how good the underdog plays and their historical record in the previous match.

Soccer will be a sport that could change the result because each team will give their performance and that can happen if they change the player that can boost the performance for that underdogs. The coach who knows how his players play will figure out who the player will choose to play on the field.

I think that is about supporting the underdogs when they play with the other teams that play so they expect their team to win the games.
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November 01, 2021, 06:59:28 PM
When placing a bet you go for option that you are sure can get more earning at the end of the game by doing this has to weigh the previous performance of the both options. You don't just bet base on like if you may loose it all.

Is there any way to pick for a sure earning? If that so, do you want OP to choose that Fighter A with an odds of (1.30)?

It's not worth a $10 bet and OP don't know any information about the fight. Betting on odds of (3) is a good pick no matter what the result.
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November 01, 2021, 06:59:24 PM
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Well, we are assuming that the person who is betting on the underdog have complete knowledge before he is placing the bet on underdog team.
Without knowing the teams strength,  the person won't know if the team he is betting is underdog or favorite. Sometime the big difference in the odds also tell this information but you need to be clever to find it out.
Sometimes the bookies mess up with the odds especially in the fight game and the possibility of underdog winning the fight is a real possibility especially in MMA, in boxing majority of the fights are won by heavy favorites but in MMA it is completely different and if you take a chance then there is a possibility that you could win a decent amount.

Upsets happen in MMA more compare to boxing that's why betting on the underdog in a sport of MMA is a good bet. In the case of OP, it's a fighting match but we don't know what sports. If It's boxing, then just ignore it and find another one. If it's MMA, the underdog bet has a chance to win.

I will do that too if it's just about betting the last amount of my gambling site's account even with no information about the match.
This is a bit true and i have tested out on making some underdog bets on MMA which you could really potentially able to win up a particular bet yet you could assume on just looking those fighters physical appearances and

some mix of intuition and guts telling you inside that this guy would beat up the favorite unlike on boxing which experience is already a solid post where you could really tell on whose gonna win.
Well, upsets could really happen but not as really as high chance with MMA compared to boxing.
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November 01, 2021, 06:58:07 PM
I don't know if there are people who had made out solid consecutive bets with this team and earn tons.Ive been trying to search up for that.

With several gamblers placing a bet on that sport, I think there is.

No need to know or find a source that there are people who made solid profits out of betting consecutively on that team.

That was possible and realistic thing to happen in gambling.
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November 01, 2021, 06:31:13 PM
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Well, we are assuming that the person who is betting on the underdog have complete knowledge before he is placing the bet on underdog team.
Without knowing the teams strength,  the person won't know if the team he is betting is underdog or favorite. Sometime the big difference in the odds also tell this information but you need to be clever to find it out.
Sometimes the bookies mess up with the odds especially in the fight game and the possibility of underdog winning the fight is a real possibility especially in MMA, in boxing majority of the fights are won by heavy favorites but in MMA it is completely different and if you take a chance then there is a possibility that you could win a decent amount.

Upsets happen in MMA more compare to boxing that's why betting on the underdog in a sport of MMA is a good bet. In the case of OP, it's a fighting match but we don't know what sports. If It's boxing, then just ignore it and find another one. If it's MMA, the underdog bet has a chance to win.

I will do that too if it's just about betting the last amount of my gambling site's account even with no information about the match.
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November 01, 2021, 05:08:08 PM
When placing a bet you go for option that you are sure can get more earning at the end of the game by doing this has to weigh the previous performance of the both options. You don't just bet base on like if you may loose it all.

Then you mean just bet on high odds? Cheesy

In general, it won't work mostly. Most of the time, your analysis will lead you to choose the dominant team. Expect low odds on it.

In the case of OP, it's just a leftover amount so betting it on high odds is worth trying. Even in the event of losing, no hard feelings that the bet is lost. I will do that too since the amount is afford to lose. If win, then it's just a bonus since I'm not expecting to win.
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November 01, 2021, 04:50:57 PM
When placing a bet you go for option that you are sure can get more earning at the end of the game by doing this has to weigh the previous performance of the both options. You don't just bet base on like if you may loose it all.
We should be more objective and bet based on numbers if we really want to make money because betting on the player that you like even if he’s the underdog is too risky and you might miss the chance to make profit. I always hesitate to bet on underdog, I know its too risky so I’m avoiding to place a bet with them even if I like the team players.
Thinking realistic will be necessary, especially if we do not see a big chance to win for the team that we usually pick as the bet. All in all, it will depend on how good we have the information on every match and we should know that each team or player can give a surprise in the middle of the match so we need to learn more about what we should pick. We should consider many things before we place the bet because we can not always win in every match we place.

I do think that it all boils down to the person's capital and the amount that he is willing to bet. Personally, I bet on the 'underdog' on games or sports that I know nothing about. If I know something about a particular game and their teams (e.g. Dota 2 teams, etc.), I would be more inclined to bet against the underdog and bet on the more popular team since I have personal knowledge of their statistics, data, etc.

Betting on the underdog can be really fun especially if they get to win. For example, in the latest Dota 2 International, the team that won was considered as an 'underdog' though I betted against them and lost like 30$.
I was aware of that recent The international tournament of Dota 2 which no one had really anticipated nor expect  that underdog team was the champion yet there are lots of power house or top tier ones

along the way which you could really say that it is really hard to believe on that they could climb up on the ladder and able to beat up every single one of them but they actually did.

I don't know if there are people who had made out solid consecutive bets with this team and earn tons.Ive been trying to search up for that.
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November 01, 2021, 02:10:24 PM
it will depend on how good we have the information on every match and we should know that each team or player can give a surprise in the middle of the match so we need to learn more about what we should pick. We should consider many things before we place the bet because we can not always win in every match we place.
But to bet on underdog, you must need a time machine Grin.

Very rarely highly talented or most successful team or players face defeat against low ranked team or player. You cannot predict such a result for sure. I am taking about the sport like cricket, tennis, soccer and most other sports.

I know those surprising results are tend to get the bettors big profits but personally I will not risk like that.

In deep thoughts, where such betting will be possible?
I guess if you go by your patriotism then you may bet on underdog even you are aware of losing your bet. And if any surprise happens then you can easily crack 10x profits.

Other than personally knowing a player or patriotism, I could not figure out any other reason to bet on underdogs.
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November 01, 2021, 09:34:18 AM
When placing a bet you go for option that you are sure can get more earning at the end of the game by doing this has to weigh the previous performance of the both options. You don't just bet base on like if you may loose it all.
We should be more objective and bet based on numbers if we really want to make money because betting on the player that you like even if he’s the underdog is too risky and you might miss the chance to make profit. I always hesitate to bet on underdog, I know its too risky so I’m avoiding to place a bet with them even if I like the team players.
Thinking realistic will be necessary, especially if we do not see a big chance to win for the team that we usually pick as the bet. All in all, it will depend on how good we have the information on every match and we should know that each team or player can give a surprise in the middle of the match so we need to learn more about what we should pick. We should consider many things before we place the bet because we can not always win in every match we place.

I do think that it all boils down to the person's capital and the amount that he is willing to bet. Personally, I bet on the 'underdog' on games or sports that I know nothing about. If I know something about a particular game and their teams (e.g. Dota 2 teams, etc.), I would be more inclined to bet against the underdog and bet on the more popular team since I have personal knowledge of their statistics, data, etc.

Betting on the underdog can be really fun especially if they get to win. For example, in the latest Dota 2 International, the team that won was considered as an 'underdog' though I betted against them and lost like 30$.
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November 01, 2021, 08:05:12 AM
However, I would not make a bet on underdog, if the difference between odds is too big. If someone has 1,0x odd, and other has 5+, then I would resist betting, as I dont believe in miracles.
That is how betting odds should be between strong team or person and an underdog that is competing against the strong, it may differ from game to game as I do not know much about odds of many others matches, but in football, the underdog will even have a very big odd like 7x or more when the strong club will have very low odd like 1.2 or lower.

There are times I still go for underdog not thinking of the fake odds, example of this case was when Leicester won EPL, you can see the big odds that was always given to Leicester and we know how very possible Leicester will win the match and won the match when playing with strong clubs like Man City. Leicester matches were always productive for me when I took the club to win that season.
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November 01, 2021, 03:31:58 AM
When placing a bet you go for option that you are sure can get more earning at the end of the game by doing this has to weigh the previous performance of the both options. You don't just bet base on like if you may loose it all.
We should be more objective and bet based on numbers if we really want to make money because betting on the player that you like even if he’s the underdog is too risky and you might miss the chance to make profit. I always hesitate to bet on underdog, I know its too risky so I’m avoiding to place a bet with them even if I like the team players.
Thinking realistic will be necessary, especially if we do not see a big chance to win for the team that we usually pick as the bet. All in all, it will depend on how good we have the information on every match and we should know that each team or player can give a surprise in the middle of the match so we need to learn more about what we should pick. We should consider many things before we place the bet because we can not always win in every match we place.
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November 01, 2021, 02:37:18 AM
If the underdog really needs to win or they will come to fight with all their powers , then yes , you can bet on the underdog but if this 2 are not present ...I would stay away from them. Remember that anyone can trow games even if they don't realize it ...it's just pure basic things that happens to all of us so from time to time big teams or the favorites will lose and the underdog will come on top OR the favorite is getting a bad day and underdog are now at the same level with the favorites...then yes , another great option to go for underdog but how often is this happening ? Not so often.
But wishing to win and winning itself are completely two different things though? If it were a tournament bracket kind of thing, underdogs could easily be spotted and honestly, just from those data that could be obtained while they are climbing the ladder and that should be enough to create a preliminary judgement on whether the team could make an upset or not. Bettors rely on data, analysis, and a bit of bias judgement, not on the will of one team "wanting" to win.
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November 01, 2021, 02:00:08 AM
When they mess up though, they usually cancel the bets on that game. I have seen it before. Every once is a while you get lucky and get away with it but if the bookie was losing big amounts because of that bag, they can always cancel the bets and say that it is their right to do so. They are not in the money losing business in the end. The players are.

Yes, I also saw this sometimes, but usually it happens even before the start of the fight, since the bookmakers see a big imbalance in the bets and do not want to take risks (suspecting a contractual fight or something like that). But these are the rarest events compared to the total number of fights. We can assume that bookmakers rarely make mistakes. Or they understand that the frequent cancellation of accepted bets will scare betters away.
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