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Topic: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. - page 1051. (Read 2032266 times)

legendary
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August 04, 2014, 11:23:31 PM
legendary
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August 04, 2014, 11:17:51 PM
sr. member
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August 04, 2014, 10:46:20 PM
I do small business valuations as part of my job.  I'd discount them to 2 BTC if I could get people to pay me that way.  Or 600 XMR.
legendary
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August 04, 2014, 09:28:50 PM
it's so nice to know that none of this ever has to be paid back. what a great country!:

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/706025967449751-federal-debt-7t-under-obama#.U-A8IyRXELo.twitter

we want moar.
legendary
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August 04, 2014, 08:41:09 PM
pm selloff in progress...
legendary
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August 04, 2014, 08:37:26 PM
it looks to me that mining would be best described as being in a Pure Strategy Nash Equilibrium - cypherdoc
Highlights are mine:


"A pure strategy Nash equilibrium is a profile of strategies such that each player’s (miner's) strategy is a best response ((results in the highest available payoff (block reward)) against the equilibrium strategies of the other players (miners).

A pure strategy Nash equilibrium only requires that the action taken by each agent (miner) be best against the actual equilibrium actions taken by the other players (miners), and not necessarily against all possible actions of the other players (miners). In other words, it's expected for some miners to be malicious.

A Nash equilibrium has the nice property that it is stable: if each player expects 'a' to be the profile of actions played, then no player (miner) has any incentive to change his or her action (no incentive to start cheating). In other words, no player (miner) regrets having played the action that he or she played in a Nash equilibrium.
"

http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1968579

Nice. I hadn't looked at it that way but it makes perfect sense.


Nash equilibrium works well in theory, the real world is a little more messy.
Pre-mass adoption there are so many outside interests seeking bitcoin failure that there are other incentives at play.
Once there is more distribution and buy in, the full effects of the Nash Equilibrium will be much stronger than they are today.



the Nash equilibrium is a solution concept of a non-cooperative game; therefore, i think the Nash Equilibrium takes those hostile actors into account.  the minimum # of participants required to apply the theory is 2 and doesn't depend on large #'s.  what's also important for all actors to know and understand, and to know that the others know, is that the longest blockchain and the POW required to construct it is mathematically immutable. b/c we know that the hashrate of the Bitcoin Network is thousands of times larger than most of the supercomputers on Earth makes the strategical decision making of each individual actor clear; don't cheat.
legendary
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Gresham's Lawyer
August 04, 2014, 08:24:17 PM
it looks to me that mining would be best described as being in a Pure Strategy Nash Equilibrium - cypherdoc
Highlights are mine:


"A pure strategy Nash equilibrium is a profile of strategies such that each player’s (miner's) strategy is a best response ((results in the highest available payoff (block reward)) against the equilibrium strategies of the other players (miners).

A pure strategy Nash equilibrium only requires that the action taken by each agent (miner) be best against the actual equilibrium actions taken by the other players (miners), and not necessarily against all possible actions of the other players (miners). In other words, it's expected for some miners to be malicious.

A Nash equilibrium has the nice property that it is stable: if each player expects 'a' to be the profile of actions played, then no player (miner) has any incentive to change his or her action (no incentive to start cheating). In other words, no player (miner) regrets having played the action that he or she played in a Nash equilibrium.
"

http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1968579

Nice. I hadn't looked at it that way but it makes perfect sense.


Nash equilibrium works well in theory, the real world is a little more messy.
Pre-mass adoption there are so many outside interests seeking bitcoin failure that there are other incentives at play.
Once there is more distribution and buy in, the full effects of the Nash Equilibrium will be much stronger than they are today.
hero member
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"How do you eat an elephant? One bit at a time..."
August 04, 2014, 08:20:04 PM
it looks to me that mining would be best described as being in a Pure Strategy Nash Equilibrium - cypherdoc
Highlights are mine:


"A pure strategy Nash equilibrium is a profile of strategies such that each player’s (miner's) strategy is a best response ((results in the highest available payoff (block reward)) against the equilibrium strategies of the other players (miners).

A pure strategy Nash equilibrium only requires that the action taken by each agent (miner) be best against the actual equilibrium actions taken by the other players (miners), and not necessarily against all possible actions of the other players (miners). In other words, it's expected for some miners to be malicious.

A Nash equilibrium has the nice property that it is stable: if each player expects 'a' to be the profile of actions played, then no player (miner) has any incentive to change his or her action (no incentive to start cheating). In other words, no player (miner) regrets having played the action that he or she played in a Nash equilibrium.
"

http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1968579

Nice. I hadn't looked at it that way but it makes perfect sense.
hero member
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"How do you eat an elephant? One bit at a time..."
August 04, 2014, 08:19:13 PM
Costa said the bank's activities "were in clear violation of Bank of Portugal rules" and used "fraudulent schemes." Police suspect former Chief Executive Ricardo Espirito Santo Salgado, who stepped down last month, of fraud, forgery and money-laundering at the bank, whose business dates from the 19th century and has been one of Portugal's most venerable financial institutions, as well as for years its biggest private bank.

Portugal Bank Collapse and Rescue Raises Questions

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/portugal-puts-66-bn-save-ailing-bank-24827430

dickheads.

Portugal, Argentina. Someday those folks will discover bitcoin. Undecided


legendary
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August 04, 2014, 01:39:19 PM
Costa said the bank's activities "were in clear violation of Bank of Portugal rules" and used "fraudulent schemes." Police suspect former Chief Executive Ricardo Espirito Santo Salgado, who stepped down last month, of fraud, forgery and money-laundering at the bank, whose business dates from the 19th century and has been one of Portugal's most venerable financial institutions, as well as for years its biggest private bank.

Portugal Bank Collapse and Rescue Raises Questions

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/portugal-puts-66-bn-save-ailing-bank-24827430

dickheads.
legendary
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August 04, 2014, 01:35:38 PM
legendary
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August 04, 2014, 12:13:30 PM
oh, btw:

Gold & Silver collapsing.  Bitcoin up.
legendary
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August 04, 2014, 11:40:11 AM
Silver, oh noes!  who leads again?



silver will make a new all time recent low and then it might make sense to store some long term value in it.
legendary
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August 04, 2014, 11:22:49 AM
it looks to me that mining would be best described as being in a Pure Strategy Nash Equilibrium - cypherdoc
Highlights are mine:


"A pure strategy Nash equilibrium is a profile of strategies such that each player’s (miner's) strategy is a best response ((results in the highest available payoff (block reward)) against the equilibrium strategies of the other players (miners).

A pure strategy Nash equilibrium only requires that the action taken by each agent (miner) be best against the actual equilibrium actions taken by the other players (miners), and not necessarily against all possible actions of the other players (miners). In other words, it's expected for some miners to be malicious.

A Nash equilibrium has the nice property that it is stable: if each player expects 'a' to be the profile of actions played, then no player (miner) has any incentive to change his or her action (no incentive to start cheating). In other words, no player (miner) regrets having played the action that he or she played in a Nash equilibrium.
"

http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1968579
legendary
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August 04, 2014, 10:58:46 AM
Silver, oh noes!  who leads again?

legendary
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August 04, 2014, 10:53:57 AM
Bitcoin forming a daily swing low reversal UP on volume expected to be higher by days end:

legendary
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August 04, 2014, 10:51:53 AM
gold back below support after dead cat bounce:

legendary
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Gresham's Lawyer
August 03, 2014, 11:58:22 PM

Bitcoin Specie project has been doing it, for real, with silver for quite a while now.
Gold will be added soonish.
http://coldhardca.sh
The higher the volume, the lower the premium and closer to the spot alloy price.

How do I buy the silver from them ?   Its not a backing as such I guess, they are offering to sell.  Main problem is usually postage and customs.    I'd change my mind if the Perth mint allowed depositbullion to be purchased in bitcoin and then it would be useful to be.  One day I could go collect it even, ruling out delivery problems

Its available direct in quantity, or through many of the bitcoin bullion sellers.  Most also offer international shipping.
Vaulting is available at the mint by custom agreement.

Agora Commodities in US
https://agoracommodities.com/product/silver-bitcoin-specie/

HardBTC.org in UK
http://hardbtc.org/ocart/index.php?route=product/category&path=64

Bitgild.com in NL
sr. member
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August 03, 2014, 11:34:24 PM
Hellifino.  I've used m2 in calcs because of that check next to savings deposits.  I believe people treat it as such when they HODL, but I'm not an economist.
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