Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. - page 117.

iCEBREAKER

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Crypto is the separation of Power and State.

Quote from: Zarathustra on July 15, 2015, 03:11:36 PM

Quote from: iCEBREAKER on July 15, 2015, 03:09:33 PM

Quote from: Zarathustra on July 15, 2015, 02:35:08 PM

Tribal people don't have private property rules because they don't want it and because they don't need it. They live within an egalitarian community. Nobody there produces beyond consumption needs. Private property rules are always guaranteed by organized violence of the state mafia. It is a thing of the society, which is collectivism, which is the perversion of the community .

Spare us the anti-industrialist New Left's romanticized version of primitivism.

Spare me your collectivist BS, thanks.

Ayn Rand is a collectivist? I don't even how you would think that. Huh

Have you been smoking monerijuana again? Grin

sgbett

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Quote from: Cconvert2G36 on July 15, 2015, 03:59:55 PM

Perma-capping at 1MB, <3tps globally, and forcing fee growth now is akin to the Greeks jumping out of their wooden horse when Troy first comes into view.

A better strategy, while block reward is comparatively huge, is to scale up tx volume capacity (within reasonable hardware/bandwidth limits) until we have been successfully rolled inside the curtain wall of world finance. Once safely inside, the world will discover that blockspace is a limited resource in the face of (much) larger tx volumes, and the resulting fee market will rise to displace a dwindling block reward. I thought this was the plan all along?

Sure, it may not help, in the short term, the centrally planned artificial bottleneck to promote sidechains, nor incentivize people to move to altcoins. Not suggesting that this is a winner take all game with respect to on-chain vs sidechains vs alts, just that we shouldn't use maxblocksize to steer (centrally plan) their development and adoption.

Making a straw man out of a little black african boy is in poor taste Cry

Looking at iCEBLOW and frappe.doc here. Grin

imho this is about the best sum up of the block size debate. As a long time 'max block size ftw' believer, I've recently come to accept there probably ought to be some limit, but i think this is discoverable over time and will be a result of some kind of 'market efficiency' process, rather than an arbitrary limit set in the (still) very early days. Certainly there is no way right now to predict what that limit should be imho, so we have to take the lid off and see hoe things play out.

Cconvert2G36

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Perma-capping at 1MB, <3tps globally, and forcing fee growth now is akin to the Greeks jumping out of their wooden horse when Troy first comes into view.

A better strategy, while block reward is comparatively huge, is to scale up tx volume capacity (within reasonable hardware/bandwidth limits) until we have been successfully rolled inside the curtain wall of world finance. Once safely inside, the world will discover that blockspace is a limited resource in the face of (much) larger tx volumes, and the resulting fee market will rise to displace a dwindling block reward. I thought this was the plan all along?

Sure, it may not help, in the short term, the centrally planned artificial bottleneck to promote sidechains, nor incentivize people to move to altcoins. Not suggesting that this is a winner take all game with respect to on-chain vs sidechains vs alts, just that we shouldn't use maxblocksize to steer (centrally plan) their development and adoption.

Making a straw man out of a little black african boy is in poor taste Cry

Looking at iCEBLOW and frappe.doc here. Grin

Zarathustra

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Quote from: BldSwtTrs on July 15, 2015, 03:09:52 PM

Quote from: Zarathustra on July 15, 2015, 03:03:02 PM

Quote from: justusranvier on July 15, 2015, 02:47:32 PM

Quote from: Zarathustra on July 15, 2015, 02:35:08 PM

mythology

It's ironic the degree to which your superstitions mirror the ones described by Lloyd de Mause in the link I provided.

This is not mythology, this is reality:

Private property rules are always guaranteed by organized violence of the state mafia.

Rules doesn't need the state to emerge. Violence don't need the state to exist.

The essays explain the history of the religious doctrines which are in reality Political Theology, proclaimed and installed by the first King-Priests , who are Priest-Kings, selfproclaimed by the Chalcolithic cattle- and horse-domesticat- ing, town- and empire-founding, new aristocracy and analyse and explain when and how the throne of the „Mother of all Gods“ was usurpated by the „Father-God“ - „God-Father“ .

For a task of such complexity, an interdisciplinary approach is indispensable, including the following academic disciplines: * Sociobiology and sociology * Zoology and evolutionary biology * Social science *Archeology and paleoanthropology, including the evolution of the australopitheci and the several species of homo * Prehistory * Paleolithic toolculture * Paleomedicine * Paleodemography * Neolithic prehistory and the earliest dynastic history * Ethnology and the so called ethnological anthropology.
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5. It is important to understand (and draw conclusions) that Paleolithic communities were egalitarian; there was no hierarchy (which is translated as „holy reign“), no domination, no rulers, no chiefs and no warfare violence, as archeology revealed and social science explains. Therefore the Paleolithic division of labour according to gender, i.e. between the female gatherers and the male hunters of a given cooperative, was a collective division of labour and not individual: A woman was not gathering for „her husband“ , and a man was not hunting for „his wife“ as is frequently misunderstood. The collective of women is gathering nutrition for the whole cooperative; her work is public work, not privatized, not domesticated or domesticised Likewise the collective of males hunt for the cooperative as a whole which is composed of the female and the male collectives. „Food- sharing“.

http://gerhardbott.de/das-buch/summary-in-english.html

iCEBREAKER

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Crypto is the separation of Power and State.

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Quote from: cypherdoc on July 15, 2015, 11:15:05 AM

Unsurprisingly, a vast majority of the 'community's vision' is free shit.

Excellent point.

Frankly, I find it offensive frap.doc uses the magical African boy trope to typify and justify the free shit army, whose leaders are actually VC schmucks trying to extract profit from Bitcoin's FOSS stack, via blockchain subsidies for their crappy attempts to add value.

Zarathustra

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Quote from: BldSwtTrs on July 15, 2015, 03:09:52 PM

Quote from: Zarathustra on July 15, 2015, 03:03:02 PM

Quote from: justusranvier on July 15, 2015, 02:47:32 PM

Quote from: Zarathustra on July 15, 2015, 02:35:08 PM

mythology

It's ironic the degree to which your superstitions mirror the ones described by Lloyd de Mause in the link I provided.

This is not mythology, this is reality:

Private property rules are always guaranteed by organized violence of the state mafia.

Rules doesn't need the state to emerge. Violence don't need the state to exist.

Private property rules do not exist in an environment beyond the society. They need the state to emerge.

Zarathustra

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Quote from: iCEBREAKER on July 15, 2015, 03:09:33 PM

Quote from: Zarathustra on July 15, 2015, 02:35:08 PM

Tribal people don't have private property rules because they don't want it and because they don't need it. They live within an egalitarian community. Nobody there produces beyond consumption needs. Private property rules are always guaranteed by organized violence of the state mafia. It is a thing of the society, which is collectivism, which is the perversion of the community .

Spare us the anti-industrialist New Left's romanticized version of primitivism.

Spare me your collectivist BS, thanks.

BldSwtTrs

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Quote from: Zarathustra on July 15, 2015, 03:03:02 PM

Quote from: justusranvier on July 15, 2015, 02:47:32 PM

Quote from: Zarathustra on July 15, 2015, 02:35:08 PM

mythology

It's ironic the degree to which your superstitions mirror the ones described by Lloyd de Mause in the link I provided.

This is not mythology, this is reality:

Private property rules are always guaranteed by organized violence of the state mafia.

Rules doesn't need the state to emerge. Violence don't need the state to exist.

iCEBREAKER

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Crypto is the separation of Power and State.

Quote from: Zarathustra on July 15, 2015, 02:35:08 PM

Tribal people don't have private property rules because they don't want it and because they don't need it. They live within an egalitarian community. Nobody there produces beyond consumption needs. Private property rules are always guaranteed by organized violence of the state mafia. It is a thing of the society, which is collectivism, which is the perversion of the community .

Spare us the anti-industrialist New Left's romanticized version of primitivism.

Tribes are the farthest thing from egalitarian. Tribes have chiefs, elders, and shaman. Only under the rule of law, freed from the rule of man, do we enjoy approximate egalitarianism.

BldSwtTrs

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Quote from: Zarathustra on July 15, 2015, 02:59:49 PM

Quote from: BldSwtTrs on July 15, 2015, 02:45:41 PM

Quote from: Zarathustra on July 15, 2015, 02:35:08 PM

Quote from: BldSwtTrs on July 15, 2015, 04:11:08 AM

Quote from: Zarathustra on July 15, 2015, 01:21:41 AM

Yes, but additional production is always produced via credit. A system without credit/debt does not need to grow and therefore it doesn't grow. Rain forest people are not forced to increase their 'output'. Their output does not grow in thousand years. Only nationalized people are forced to produce surplus, because they are forced to pay tribute. That's the root of credit/debt: organized violence (collectivism/society).

I am sorry but that's some weird, utterly false statements.

If I am owner of my production I will produce beyond my consumption needs (that's called capital accumulation) to improve my standard of living in the future, even if I have no debt. The capital accumulation will enhance my productivity and thus allow me to produce more output.

The output of rain forest people doesn't grow because their culture haven't evolved private property rules, it is no related to debt.

Tribal people don't have private property rules because they don't want it and because they don't need it. They live within an egalitarian community. Private property rules are always guaranteed by organized violence of the state mafia. It is a thing of the society, which is collectivism, which is the perversion of the community .

Cultural rules don't come from conscious choice.
Tribal societies aren't egalitarian. Human beings are hierarchical no matter where you look.
Violence exist among tribal societies, they are more violent than modern occidental societies.

Pre-neolithic (pre-patriarchal) tribes were egalitarian, non violent.

No they weren't. They are plenty of evidence this wasn't the case.

You could read the link posted by justusranvier to begin.

Zarathustra

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Quote from: justusranvier on July 15, 2015, 02:47:32 PM

Quote from: Zarathustra on July 15, 2015, 02:35:08 PM

mythology

It's ironic the degree to which your superstitions mirror the ones described by Lloyd de Mause in the link I provided.

This is not mythology, this is reality:

Private property rules are always guaranteed by organized violence of the state mafia.

Zarathustra

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Quote from: BldSwtTrs on July 15, 2015, 02:45:41 PM

Quote from: Zarathustra on July 15, 2015, 02:35:08 PM

Quote from: BldSwtTrs on July 15, 2015, 04:11:08 AM

Quote from: Zarathustra on July 15, 2015, 01:21:41 AM

Yes, but additional production is always produced via credit. A system without credit/debt does not need to grow and therefore it doesn't grow. Rain forest people are not forced to increase their 'output'. Their output does not grow in thousand years. Only nationalized people are forced to produce surplus, because they are forced to pay tribute. That's the root of credit/debt: organized violence (collectivism/society).

I am sorry but that's some weird, utterly false statements.

If I am owner of my production I will produce beyond my consumption needs (that's called capital accumulation) to improve my standard of living in the future, even if I have no debt. The capital accumulation will enhance my productivity and thus allow me to produce more output.

The output of rain forest people doesn't grow because their culture haven't evolved private property rules, it is no related to debt.

Tribal people don't have private property rules because they don't want it and because they don't need it. They live within an egalitarian community. Private property rules are always guaranteed by organized violence of the state mafia. It is a thing of the society, which is collectivism, which is the perversion of the community .

Cultural rules don't come from conscious choice.
Tribal societies aren't egalitarian. Human beings are hierarchical no matter where you look.
Violence exist among tribal societies, they are more violent than modern occidental societies.

Pre-neolithic (pre-patriarchal) tribes were egalitarian, non violent.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2311504

And this is real science:
http://gerhardbott.de/das-buch/summary-in-english.html

justusranvier

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Quote from: Zarathustra on July 15, 2015, 02:35:08 PM

mythology

It's ironic the degree to which your superstitions mirror the ones described by Lloyd de Mause in the link I provided.

cypherdoc

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Quote from: iCEBREAKER on July 15, 2015, 02:17:56 PM

Quote from: brg444 on July 15, 2015, 12:57:57 PM

I really couldn't care less how Mycelium has been a MAJOR force in bringing Bitcoin to the noobs

See this is the problem. "Noobs" preferring user interface and "ease-of-use" in place of robust, well designed software and then crying when the software fails them because of faulty implementation.

I've never used it, but Frap.doc is apparently a devoted fan of Mycelium and utterly distraught over its recent glitch.

Expecting 100% uptime from such a service and freaking out and declaring Bitcoin dead over a little outage is a professional noob move only he has mastered.

Speaking of professional noob maneuvers:

#REKT, please call your office. Dr. LeBron Bitcoin is on line 2...something about a "vast GavinCoiner majority?" Cheesy

i think it's pretty clear to everyone around here that you have a frappe.doc fetish. i always knew you loved me. Kiss

BldSwtTrs

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Quote from: Zarathustra on July 15, 2015, 02:35:08 PM

Quote from: BldSwtTrs on July 15, 2015, 04:11:08 AM

Quote from: Zarathustra on July 15, 2015, 01:21:41 AM

Yes, but additional production is always produced via credit. A system without credit/debt does not need to grow and therefore it doesn't grow. Rain forest people are not forced to increase their 'output'. Their output does not grow in thousand years. Only nationalized people are forced to produce surplus, because they are forced to pay tribute. That's the root of credit/debt: organized violence (collectivism/society).

I am sorry but that's some weird, utterly false statements.

If I am owner of my production I will produce beyond my consumption needs (that's called capital accumulation) to improve my standard of living in the future, even if I have no debt. The capital accumulation will enhance my productivity and thus allow me to produce more output.

The output of rain forest people doesn't grow because their culture haven't evolved private property rules, it is no related to debt.

Tribal people don't have private property rules because they don't want it and because they don't need it. They live within an egalitarian community. Private property rules are always guaranteed by organized violence of the state mafia. It is a thing of the society, which is collectivism, which is the perversion of the community .

Cultural rules don't come from conscious choice.
Tribal societies aren't egalitarian. Human beings are hierarchical no matter where you look.
Violence exist among tribal societies, they are more violent than modern occidental societies.

Zarathustra

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Quote from: BldSwtTrs on July 15, 2015, 04:11:08 AM

Quote from: Zarathustra on July 15, 2015, 01:21:41 AM

Yes, but additional production is always produced via credit. A system without credit/debt does not need to grow and therefore it doesn't grow. Rain forest people are not forced to increase their 'output'. Their output does not grow in thousand years. Only nationalized people are forced to produce surplus, because they are forced to pay tribute. That's the root of credit/debt: organized violence (collectivism/society).

I am sorry but that's some weird, utterly false statements.

If I am owner of my production I will produce beyond my consumption needs (that's called capital accumulation) to improve my standard of living in the future, even if I have no debt. The capital accumulation will enhance my productivity and thus allow me to produce more output.

The output of rain forest people doesn't grow because their culture haven't evolved private property rules, it is no related to debt.

Tribal people don't have private property rules because they don't want it and because they don't need it. They live within an egalitarian community. Nobody there produces beyond consumption needs. Private property rules are always guaranteed by organized violence of the state mafia. It is a thing of the society, which is collectivism, which is the perversion of the community .

Adrian-x

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Quote from: 2112 on July 14, 2015, 10:07:03 PM

Quote from: Adrian-x on July 14, 2015, 08:22:57 PM

BIP101, is not ideal, I'd rather have no limit, but it seemed the limit could grow faster than the Bitcoin network grows. and I like the fact that "eight" (八 Pinyin: bā) sounds similar to the word which means "wealth" in Chinese, and we have eight doubling so it should be ~~appalling~~ appealing to those who are governed by superstition.

Appalling or appealing? It is hard to tell if you are serious or sarcastic.

it was a spelling mistake or a Freudian slip, I was being harsh, but lots of important decisions get made on superstitions, I've had first hand frustration working on project in China.

iCEBREAKER

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Crypto is the separation of Power and State.

Quote from: brg444 on July 15, 2015, 12:57:57 PM

I really couldn't care less how Mycelium has been a MAJOR force in bringing Bitcoin to the noobs

See this is the problem. "Noobs" preferring user interface and "ease-of-use" in place of robust, well designed software and then crying when the software fails them because of faulty implementation.

I've never used it, but Frap.doc is apparently a devoted fan of Mycelium and utterly distraught over its recent glitch.

Expecting 100% uptime from such a service and freaking out and declaring Bitcoin dead over a little outage is a professional noob move only he has mastered.

Speaking of professional noob maneuvers:

#REKT, please call your office. Dr. LeBron Bitcoin is on line 2...something about a "vast GavinCoiner majority?" Cheesy

Zarathustra

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Quote from: TPTB_need_war on July 15, 2015, 01:19:12 PM

Quote from: Zarathustra on July 14, 2015, 03:06:36 AM

Armstrongs models ...

http://www.silverdoctors.com/martin-armstrong-the-stock-market-will-double-by-2015/

Lying won't help you.

I was reading Armstrong's blog daily as of August 2012 when (it was roughly 12,000) he clearly stated that either it would double before October 2015, or it would phase shift and align with private assets and then delay that double or triple until 2017. Indeed the USA stock market did rise to roughly 18,000 and then it phase shifted and so now we await the double or triple in 2017.

Funny.
He really predicted a lot of funny things:

Prediction April 2013:

Slovenia will collapse from a spending spree, not because it invested in Euro bonds.
(...)
It is true that Slovenia is not Cyprus. It is worse.

http://www.armstrongeconomics.com/archives/10720

Reality 2014:

cypherdoc

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oops, $DJI going negative. get ready for the next leg down:

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