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legendary
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diamond-handed zealot
September 08, 2012, 10:17:29 AM
for the umpteenth time, i just don't think gold can serve its supposed function as a world reserve currency in today's day and age.

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> I hear this a lot from the "barbarous relic" camp and I fail to see why.  Au is divisible in very small increments, and can be valued at any price denominated in fiat currency.

>Of course not...that is why we have Bitcoin...   Grin
legendary
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September 08, 2012, 10:11:47 AM
wait...what?

yes, the PTB will lose control of this situation

and that is when metals come into their own

that's one perspective.  another is that this whole debt leveraging debacle since 1971 is a result of USD debasement with a consequent ramp in all asset classes.  gold did not react to this globalized inflation until the year 2001 and depending on how you look at it is the last asset class to react as the system has reached its bubble top in aggregate. don't forget it did nothing but go down btwn 1980 and 2001.  the rest of the system seems to be breaking as the stock mkt has gone sideways since 2000, the housing mkt has dumped and is skating along the bottom.  economies are going into the tank as we speak but the financialization continues.

IF the system breaks and the PTB can't control the slide, everything could crash including gold as the USD skyrockets from the debt liquidation.   i do understand your point though that gold might do the opposite and soar.  that's what makes it confusing.  for the umpteenth time, i just don't think gold can serve its supposed function as a world reserve currency in today's day and age.
legendary
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diamond-handed zealot
September 08, 2012, 10:04:41 AM
wait...what?

yes, the PTB will lose control of this situation

and that is when metals come into their own
legendary
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September 08, 2012, 09:50:00 AM
From now on there is the serious chance that PM can surpass BTC in price growth.
Yesterday Jim Sinclair (the only one who predicted gold @1600 USD several years before that happended, with only an error of a few months) said that gold will go to 3500 USD (but without giving a timing), and others argue that silver may well go even better, going toward the secular long-term gold-silver price ratio of 15.
You have been warned.

your whole analysis assumes the PTB can control markets.  if they could do that then why did stocks in 2000, 2008 and the housing market all crash?  i will give you the fact that momentum is currently on your side but depending on your viewpoint of where we are in history linear assumptions from the past could easily be derailed to everyone's shock and amazement.
legendary
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Bitcoin is antisemitic
September 08, 2012, 03:56:18 AM
From now on there is the serious chance that PM can surpass BTC in price growth.
Yesterday Jim Sinclair (the only one who predicted gold @1600 USD several years before that happended, with only an error of a few months) said that gold will go to 3500 USD (but without giving a timing), and others argue that silver may well go even better, going toward the secular long-term gold-silver price ratio of 15.
You have been warned.
legendary
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LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper
September 08, 2012, 02:44:48 AM
George Soros just bought $130,000,000 worth of gold.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leApG5h-Qmw&feature=g-all-u
legendary
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September 07, 2012, 08:55:24 PM
The young Ben Bernanke  Grin

He always knew what he wanted to be when he grew up:



Lifted from Financial Armageddon
legendary
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September 07, 2012, 10:07:00 AM

GPL 2.18  (Silver lg  @ 1.98)

Cypher did you cover your SLV, SLW, RGLD, GG yet?

yep, quite a long time ago.  its somewhere here in the thread. 

I'm glad that we PM bulls were able to help save you from such a precarious financial position.  You can thank us later Smiley

legendary
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September 07, 2012, 09:41:19 AM


GPL 2.18  (Silver lg  @ 1.98)


Cypher did you cover your SLV, SLW, RGLD, GG yet?

yep, quite a long time ago.  its somewhere here in the thread. 
legendary
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September 07, 2012, 09:02:28 AM


GPL 2.18  (Silver lg  @ 1.98)


Cypher did you cover your SLV, SLW, RGLD, GG yet?
legendary
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September 07, 2012, 07:54:48 AM
USDX now under support... gold and silver now above resistance... stocks about to challenge their may highs...

Is the corner broken?

How about now?

i think you're going to be in trouble.

Certainly now...
legendary
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September 06, 2012, 10:09:56 AM
Hmm.  those PM's seem to be going umm.. UP?  Finally.

This thread was started 3/13:

Bitcoin  5.40

Gold 1690


today 9/6:

Bitcoin 10.81 (up ~100%)

Gold 1706   (up ~1%)


BTC seems to be holding steady, after the 35% crash, in the 10-11 range.

Gold seems to be very much alive and uncollapsed. (Cypher is your target for gold still 400??  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=68655.msg800017#msg800017)

BTC is still outperforming gold.


GPL 2.09  (Silver lg  @ 1.98)  Huh, look at that.  Silverbox is making money on his stock pick..  


yeah, eventually, but its sure taking its damn time. Grin

anyways, so far, i've still made the best trade swapping pm's for Bitcoin.  now if this stock mkt thing would just go down...
legendary
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September 06, 2012, 09:51:43 AM
Hmm.  those PM's seem to be going umm.. UP?

This thread was started 3/13:

Bitcoin  5.40

Gold 1690


today 9/6:

Bitcoin 10.81 (up ~100%)

Gold 1706   (up ~1%)


BTC seems to be holding steady, after the 35% crash, in the 10-11 range.

Gold seems to be very much alive and uncollapsed. (Cypher is your target for gold still 400??  https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.800017)

BTC is still outperforming gold.


GPL 2.09  (Silver lg  @ 1.98)  Huh, look at that.  Silverbox is making money on his stock pick.. 
legendary
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September 05, 2012, 02:23:57 PM

That must be because everyone is expecting the world's financial systems to switch to Bitcoin I guess and gold is a forgotten relic (which just happens to keep doubling in lock step with the crumbling of other financial systems...)


actually lotsa ppl around here point to the market cap of Bitcoin vs gold and scoff at such an idea.  i wonder how much the "awareness" of Bitcoin prevents ppl from throwing more fiat into gold.  that hesitation alone could be a substantial force.

Although it did for me to some extent, I cannot imagine that the effect is more than negligible given the size of the respective markets.  In my case I continued to accumulate physical PM's with only a short break to take the Bitcoin position I wanted to have.

As we've discussed previously, the opposite is not true and a tiny shift to Bitcoin from PM positions (or their growth) could have a massive impact on Bitcoin.  That, among other things, is why I hold a certain amount of hope for 'jackpot' returns on my Bitcoin speculation.  The longer Bitcoin proves itself as a solid solution, the more possible this becomes.

I personally do not believe that Bitcoin would sustain more than a tiny fraction of the world's exchange traffic and survive in anything like the form we know today.  OTOH, if it is seen as something of a reserve currency itself, and/or if intervention from authorities limits utilization in exchange form, I feel that it could have a decently long and very bright life expectancy.

legendary
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September 05, 2012, 02:09:50 PM

That must be because everyone is expecting the world's financial systems to switch to Bitcoin I guess and gold is a forgotten relic (which just happens to keep doubling in lock step with the crumbling of other financial systems...)



actually lotsa ppl around here point to the market cap of Bitcoin vs gold and scoff at such an idea.  i wonder how much the "awareness" of Bitcoin prevents ppl from throwing more fiat into gold.  that hesitation alone could be a substantial force.
legendary
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September 05, 2012, 01:39:18 PM

That must be because everyone is expecting the world's financial systems to switch to Bitcoin I guess and gold is a forgotten relic (which just happens to keep doubling in lock step with the crumbling of other financial systems...)

legendary
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September 05, 2012, 01:29:14 PM
sr. member
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September 04, 2012, 01:47:51 PM
Quote from: Jim Rogers
If you look at their balance sheets, you will see that something is happening, assets are building on their balance sheets and they are not coming from the tooth fairy.

That sounds like a fact. Not a verified/documented one though (that I know). If it's true, we should have more info on that soon I guess.
legendary
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September 04, 2012, 11:53:17 AM
QE has already begun. Of course, it never really stopped.

all that article contains is an "opinion".  no data, no facts.   Roll Eyes
legendary
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September 04, 2012, 11:48:47 AM
QE has already begun. Of course, it never really stopped.
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