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legendary
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July 27, 2012, 11:07:19 AM

Naw, my plan was/is to wait till a few days before the next fomc and see where its at.  If I'm down over 25% before the Fed meets next week, I'll double down, if not, I'll just stand pat.

This rise in gold is most likley in anticpation of the FOMC next week, everyone is getting ready for Big Ben to pull that trigger.

i don't blame you at this point.  i have to admit, gold is a frustrating short.  fortunately my miner shorts are up alot but i'm watching carefully.  its amazing how far the system can stretch.  but warning signs are everywhere.

I've really only 'actively played' one market:  Bitcoin.  I 'doubled down', or formally close to it in a mathematical sense multiple times from $16 -> $2.  Then I had to wait in the red for half a year or so.  I must say that I was somewhat frustrated...which was the motivating force to keep doubling down.  I had been prepared to do it one more time if BTC got below $2, but it didn't (yet) and Tradehill closed down and I've been standing pat since.

PM's on the other hand are the easiest and most stress free thing in the world.  Got to much money in the bank?  Convert some to phyzzz.  I try to ignore the FOMC completely so-as not to have the same influences as the rest of the herd.

legendary
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July 27, 2012, 09:33:12 AM


anxiety maybe? Wink

Naw, my plan was/is to wait till a few days before the next fomc and see where its at.  If I'm down over 25% before the Fed meets next week, I'll double down, if not, I'll just stand pat.

This rise in gold is most likley in anticpation of the FOMC next week, everyone is getting ready for Big Ben to pull that trigger.

i don't blame you at this point.  i have to admit, gold is a frustrating short.  fortunately my miner shorts are up alot but i'm watching carefully.  its amazing how far the system can stretch.  but warning signs are everywhere.
legendary
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July 27, 2012, 09:27:24 AM


anxiety maybe? Wink

Naw, my plan was/is to wait till a few days before the next fomc and see where its at.  If I'm down over 25% before the Fed meets next week, I'll double down, if not, I'll just stand pat.

This rise in gold is most likley in anticpation of the FOMC next week, everyone is getting ready for Big Ben to pull that trigger.
legendary
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July 27, 2012, 09:20:24 AM
Quote from: silverbox link=topic=68655.msg1058419#msg1058419
GPL 1.65  (Silver lg  @ 1.98)  (Double down may be needed Wink)


lol.  what happened to the %'s?  too painful? Wink

Quote from: silverbox link=topic=68655.msg1058376#msg1058376

nope, still waiting.  I probably should have bought more at 1.50 thu Wink.

anxiety maybe? Wink
legendary
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July 27, 2012, 09:17:14 AM
Aight

this thread was started 3/13

Bitcoin  5.40

Gold 1690.


today 7/27

Bitcoin 8.91  (up ~65%)

Gold 1620  (down ~4%)

BTC is up significantly, Gold still hasn't collapsed.  BTC is outperforming gold.


GLD 157 (cyp sh @ 152)  (Better cover before BigBen sinks ya..)

GPL 1.65  (Silver lg  @ 1.98)  (Double down may be needed Wink)
legendary
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July 27, 2012, 08:58:52 AM
That damn gold keeps collapsing in the wrong direction!! Wink

Cover that GLD short @ 152 yet Cypher?

no.  have you sold GPL yet or bought more?

nope, still waiting.  I probably should have bought more at 1.50 thu Wink.

please post update; i'll help you.  GLD short -2.35%
legendary
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July 27, 2012, 08:57:12 AM
That damn gold keeps collapsing in the wrong direction!! Wink

Cover that GLD short @ 152 yet Cypher?

no.  have you sold GPL yet or bought more?

nope, still waiting.  I probably should have bought more at 1.50 thu Wink.
legendary
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July 27, 2012, 08:53:23 AM
That damn gold keeps collapsing in the wrong direction!! Wink

Cover that GLD short @ 152 yet Cypher?

no.  have you sold GPL yet or bought more?
legendary
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July 27, 2012, 08:46:50 AM
That damn gold keeps collapsing in the wrong direction!! Wink

Cover that GLD short @ 152 yet Cypher?
hero member
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Libertas a calumnia
July 27, 2012, 03:44:57 AM
Dominic uploaded an updated version, here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXcLVDhS8fM
donator
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bitcoin hundred-aire
July 26, 2012, 03:11:02 PM
Gold seems to be collapsing upwards the last few days Wink

you mean like Bitcoin?
legendary
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July 26, 2012, 02:24:42 PM
Debt Bomb, by Dominic Frisby, simply amazing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzhonjgaryA

that WAS good.  Cheesy
hero member
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Libertas a calumnia
July 26, 2012, 02:04:39 PM
Debt Bomb, by Dominic Frisby, simply amazing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXcLVDhS8fM
legendary
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July 26, 2012, 01:53:08 PM
Gold seems to be collapsing upwards the last few days Wink
donator
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July 26, 2012, 05:59:01 AM
legendary
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July 25, 2012, 06:55:56 PM
Our analysis differs somewhat.

 - I don't think the world has (relatively speaking) yet realized any significant supply problems and probably will not for some time particularly if the economies stay sluggish.  There is, however, some political utility in making mountains out of the current mole hills...invented or real.

Yes, the political incentives are heinous at best. We do differ on the idea regarding stagnation, though. Even a reduced level of consumption from recent highs remains elevated on a maintenance basis. I think that sluggish economies will very soon hasten shortages rather than delay them, especially in combination with other cyclic events like weather and developing nation growth.


Good points.  Always appreciated as are the interesting links.

legendary
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July 25, 2012, 02:51:26 PM
Gold seems to be doing nicely today. Wink
Seems like cypherdoc forgets to post the updates on those days ;-)

silverbox has long forgotten his updates; i had to pick up the slack.


No need to update if your going to do it for me, lol.  Wink
legendary
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July 25, 2012, 02:39:54 PM
Our analysis differs somewhat.

 - I don't think the world has (relatively speaking) yet realized any significant supply problems and probably will not for some time particularly if the economies stay sluggish.  There is, however, some political utility in making mountains out of the current mole hills...invented or real.

Yes, the political incentives are heinous at best. We do differ on the idea regarding stagnation, though. Even a reduced level of consumption from recent highs remains elevated on a maintenance basis. I think that sluggish economies will very soon hasten shortages rather than delay them, especially in combination with other cyclic events like weather and developing nation growth.

- I expect that the US and a few other Western societies are much less dependent on oil for 'legacy infrastructure' reasons than most.  Particularly the large developing BRICs countries.  In the most optimistic circumstances it takes a great deal of time and wealth make semi-significant infrastructure shifts, and would be much more challenging for countries fighting a rear-guard action just keeping their populations fed.

You may be right on this, especially regarding the military sector.

I don't count the BRICs as western - my delineation is focused on perspective: wealth extractive vs. mutual benefit. That has the west mainly as North America and Western Europe, with a wavering stance on Australia, New Zealand, and Japan. Just about everything else for me is either eastern or oriented in that direction.

- I expect China to be run out of most of the other countries you mention as easily as they were run out of Libya and Iraq as needed.  Absent some pretty significant shifts in power structures and modes of political and military operations, that is.  China can buy any resource they want and their stake is effectively nullified when we install some new puppet to head things up.

This is something I can't say for certain either way. I'm not really sure how China would be run out of any countries when they don't have forces established the way the US does. It seems that each stage of instituting a friendly puppet is become progressively more difficult, requiring greater investment and protracted direct involvement. Resistance to western influence looks to be inversely correlated with voluntary association with the east. Maybe things would be different if western powers didn't attach so many wealth extractive strings to "assistance" efforts.

From what I can tell, neither Iraq nor Libya are foregone conclusions as yet. Unless cultural histories are eradicated, I don't see lasting effects without persistent efforts from an already thinly spread force. Whether that means another decade or five, I don't know. I'm not sure western forces can even maintain for that long, let alone the next 3 years. I'm sure that if Chinese were driven out or left to avoid the turmoil, they'll flow right back in after things settle down - the west does all the churning and burning, and the east reaps the benefits either way - again.

It would not surprise me if China did not feel that the planets were aligned enough to make their move for some time.  Perhaps not in my lifetime.  My best hope is that there will come a point when the the West has something of an organic collapse in the West and China steps into their place with minimal fuss and loss of life.

Right there. In other words: time is against the Anglosphere. An unpleasant transitionary phase, but probably not Armageddon.

Instead of maneuvering for domination, it's possible that dynastic wealth and leadership legacies are playing good cop, bad cop. The west as the bad guy, the east as the good guy. Regardless of what games the uber heavyweights may be playing, the results are the same: opportunities abound!
legendary
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July 25, 2012, 02:13:26 PM
Gold seems to be doing nicely today. Wink
Seems like cypherdoc forgets to post the updates on those days ;-)

silverbox has long forgotten his updates; i had to pick up the slack.
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