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legendary
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July 21, 2012, 04:14:26 PM

Interesting article.

I like this part

"A crucial move for the U.S. is to shift its crisis to other countries – by coercing China to buy U.S. treasury bonds with foreign exchange reserves and doing everything possible to prevent China’s foreign reserve from buying gold."

But gold is totally worthless right.. Even thu your article states that the reason we aren't having crazy QE out the butt is to keep the Chinese from buying to much gold..

They just bought the freaking LME..  Wink
legendary
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July 21, 2012, 03:57:31 PM


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The "deflation is bad" view naively assumes the Federal government wants inflation to lower its own debt burden. But since the machinery of governance is directed not at what's good for the government, but at what's good for the financial Elites that influence policy, then the only meaningful question is: what's best for the financial Elites?

Mild inflation won't bother the Elites much as long as their leveraged returns exceed inflation by a substantial measure, but deflation is much more lucrative: why mess around with potentially volatile inflation when deflation works better?

I dunno, I mean now the "financial elite" will decide this? Inflation is required to pay for all the various TBTF ponzis people have become dependent on.

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Deflation is only bad for those with crushing debts and no ability to borrow more. Since the Federal government (like the government of Japan) can always borrow more, those buying the debt are assured of a low-risk income stream that can then be used to buy other deflating assets.

Everyone assuming the Federal government has the power to create inflation and that inflation is "good" should examine the interests of those who control the government's policies, i.e. those who own the debt.

Deflation will lead to social unrest, which, if it passes some threshold, will lead to the endgame and a new status quo. It is not just the government that has crushing debt.

legendary
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July 21, 2012, 09:52:15 AM
The Daaash for Digital Caaash!

It never fails to put me in a good mood to hear you say this, cypher.

Its always nice when people on opposite sides of the world can smile together  Cheesy
donator
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July 21, 2012, 02:19:26 AM
The Daaash for Digital Caaash!

It never fails to put me in a good mood to hear you say this, cypher.
legendary
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July 21, 2012, 01:06:20 AM
looks like ppl are taking their financial stock cashouts and dumping it into Bitcoin! Wink

Really?  Where are you looking?  I would expect to see BTC into the hundreds or thousands of USD per when that so much as starts to happen frankly.

legendary
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July 20, 2012, 10:42:56 PM
looks like ppl are taking their financial stock cashouts and dumping it into Bitcoin! Wink
legendary
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July 20, 2012, 10:30:49 PM
The Daaash for Digital Caaash!
legendary
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July 20, 2012, 01:28:01 PM
oh my, this is really good.  i've been saying this since last August, the beginning of the first gold thread...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/guest-post-whats-so-bad-about-deflation

Nothing real earth-shattering there.  Makes sense, but so what?  Even if 'mild' deflation is the greatest thing since sliced bread (for some folks including myself) that does not mean that that is what we'll see.

I expect that 'mild' will not be a word which is useful for characterizing many aspects of our economy given the machinations required to keep our highly leveraged systems stable as we approach end-game.  I believe we are reaching that point and most of my bets are based on this belief.

I believe that since 2008, we actually had at least periods of quite significant deflation.  Gold performed perfectly sufficiently to keep me smiling.  If the effects of heavy deflation during the next crisis cannot be masked, it will probably be terminal for most fiat regimes which means I'll be happy to hold Gold (and some Bitcoin for good measure.)  About the worst thing for PM's (and Bitcoin) would probably be mild controlled long-duration deflation with stable confidence in USD and other fiat.  In that situation, I would expect a _mild_ loss of opportunity by holding gold, but I think there is a pretty strong likelihood that that is _not_ the way things will play out.

BTW, why would your ever present fear/expectation of deflation in any of it's forms have a vastly different impact on the value of gold vs. on the value of BTC?  I think you've posited the answer is that the world will flock to Bitcoin as it's monetary solution.  I still don't see that as anywhere nearly as likely as that the world would move back to PM's in such a scenario (which would almost certainly be accompanied by massive social and technological shifts as well.)  But you are as free as I to position yourself for the future as you see fit.  At least as long as it is reasonably practical to exchange fiat for either PM's or BTC, and that may not be the case forever.

legendary
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July 20, 2012, 11:59:25 AM
oh my, this is really good.  i've been saying this since last August, the beginning of the first gold thread...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/guest-post-whats-so-bad-about-deflation
legendary
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July 19, 2012, 10:52:01 AM
USDX going under its support line today? PM's going above their resistance line today??

Congress ordering the bearded one to saddle up that white horse..

So far both are holding... the answers to both my questions at the moment is no...
legendary
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July 19, 2012, 10:50:08 AM
USDX going under its support line today? PM's going above their resistance line today??

Congress ordering the bearded one to saddle up that white horse..
legendary
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July 19, 2012, 06:40:11 AM
USDX going under its support line today? PM's going above their resistance line today??
legendary
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July 18, 2012, 12:44:18 PM
Silverbox Update:

Gold:  -8%

Bitcoin:  +71%

Diff:  +79% advantage Bitcoin
legendary
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July 18, 2012, 08:49:25 AM
Gold down, Bitcoin UP.
legendary
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July 17, 2012, 10:51:38 PM
Silverbox Update:

Gold:  -7%

Bitcoin:  +68%

Diff:  +75% advantage Bitcoin
legendary
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July 17, 2012, 01:52:39 PM
There's a whole bunch of fail in this thread regarding the precious metal fundamentals. Sentiment is clouding objective analysis. It is extremely important to determine which data sources are legitimate, or else any subsequent analysis will be flawed.

Understanding the paper/physical dichotomy is a core factor in properly assessing fundamentals for the two variants of gold. It is also necessary to examine various pools of wealth, since gold does not function in isolation. Incentive structures are more powerful than chart patterns.

I agree, but it remains the case that the number of USD required to obtain x amount of physical is highly influenced by and not far off of the paper price.  I consider it a great gift from the paper folks and a great incentive to take advantage of the situation while it exists since it could fail at any time.  In fact it has briefly failed already on some PM markets like silver in recent years, but the rips have managed to be patched up.  I don't anticipate this happy situation surviving for to much longer...but I've been wrong about timings in the past so I allow for the possibility of the situation persisting for longer than I would expect.

legendary
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July 17, 2012, 01:09:40 PM
There's a whole bunch of fail in this thread regarding the precious metal fundamentals. Sentiment is clouding objective analysis. It is extremely important to determine which data sources are legitimate, or else any subsequent analysis will be flawed.

Understanding the paper/physical dichotomy is a core factor in properly assessing fundamentals for the two variants of gold. It is also necessary to examine various pools of wealth, since gold does not function in isolation. Incentive structures are more powerful than chart patterns.
legendary
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July 17, 2012, 12:06:35 PM
Gold down, Bitcoin UP.

With silver looking to break down out of its little July triangle... this is going to be more and more true
yeah i hope silver breaks down so i can buy cheap and than high inflation begins muahaha!

First, we have deflation for quite a while before inflation kicks in. As per our subscription forecast, silver will drop Mich deeper and longer than most people expect here. You can subscribe for just 1.99 btc before July 28.

I'll probably not need to start converting my PM's for 10 years or so.  The main danger of them falling significantly in price through the comming decade is that I may be tempted to deploy my working capital (or my speculative stash of Bitcoin) to take advantage of the situation.  Other than that, it makes no difference to me what happens in this interim period.

legendary
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July 17, 2012, 10:29:18 AM
Gold down, Bitcoin UP.

With silver looking to break down out of its little July triangle... this is going to be more and more true
yeah i hope silver breaks down so i can buy cheap and than high inflation begins muahaha!

First, we have deflation for quite a while before inflation kicks in. As per our subscription forecast, silver will drop Mich deeper and longer than most people expect here. You can subscribe for just 1.99 btc before July 28.
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