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Quote from: justusranvier on April 01, 2015, 02:59:42 PM

Quote from: msin on April 01, 2015, 02:53:07 PM

True, but Shrem isn't doing Bitcoin any favors, the foundation needs to distance themselves from him.

Did you really just put a man who ran an honest business that harmed no one in the same moral category as two gangsters who ran an extortion racket under the colour of law?

Yes

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Quote from: msin on April 01, 2015, 02:53:07 PM

True, but Shrem isn't doing Bitcoin any favors, the foundation needs to distance themselves from him.

Did you really just put a man who ran an honest business that harmed no one in the same moral category as two gangsters who ran an extortion racket under the colour of law?

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Quote from: justusranvier on April 01, 2015, 02:48:41 PM

Quote from: cypherdoc on April 01, 2015, 02:32:57 PM

you're confounding the dishonest users of Bitcoin

The worse of which, apparently, are federal law enforcement agents.

True, but Shrem isn't doing Bitcoin any favors, the foundation needs to distance themselves from him. Anyone who is stupid enough to commit a crime should go. For all we know, he could have become the next Karpeles had he not been busted for laundering.

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Quote from: cypherdoc on April 01, 2015, 02:32:57 PM

you're confounding the dishonest users of Bitcoin

The worse of which, apparently, are federal law enforcement agents.

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Although trading has not begun for the fund, there are already several pending orders, Sonnenshein said, with the lowest bid at $20 and the highest topping $35. The latter offer would value a bitcoin at more than $350. The cryptocurrency traded around $244 Monday afternoon.

"That's a pretty meaningful premium," Silbert said, explaining that the business model calls for the share price to eventually come closer to reflecting the trading price of bitcoin. For now, however, he said he expects that investors will be willing to pay some premium for BIT shares because it offers them ease of use and storage.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/102549768

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Quote from: sporket on April 01, 2015, 02:25:56 PM

Quote from: cypherdoc on April 01, 2015, 01:41:03 PM

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most ppl still have not caught onto the idea that Bitcoin is fundamentally about honesty and hope...

Could that have anything to do with the fact that bitcoin is used mainly to commit various flavors of crime? I mean, Bitcoin Foundation's Vice Chairman is doing time for money laundering Undecided

you're confounding the dishonest users of Bitcoin from the protocol itself which cannot be exploited to alter it's preprogrammed supply unlike we have now with fiat.

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Quote from: cypherdoc on April 01, 2015, 01:41:03 PM

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most ppl still have not caught onto the idea that Bitcoin is fundamentally about honesty and hope...

Could that have anything to do with the fact that bitcoin is used mainly to commit various flavors of crime? I mean, Bitcoin Foundation's Vice Chairman is doing time for money laundering Undecided

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Quote from: cypherdoc on April 01, 2015, 01:41:03 PM

most ppl still have not caught onto the idea that Bitcoin is fundamentally about honesty and hope. the last couple of days worth of SR reading surely should highlight how deep the corruption runs into our gvt agencies that were supposed to help and protect the public good. they have morphed into just the opposite; a threat feeding off the free money and the masses. this is why the inflation/deflation debate is a non-starter. the current inflationary system is corrupt and serves a small financial elite who control the money supply or who are in important authoritarian positions as were the 2 agents. those of us early Bitcoin adopters are not demanding a new system that allows us to replace those corrupt individuals; all we want is a fair system. what we've done is also put our money where our mouths are; into a risky new currency that introduces a level playing field for all involved. it could just as easily fail. but at this pt i think it is highly unlikely given how far we've come. the cat is out of the bag and Bitcoin is stimulating concerned discussions in all gvts worldwide. there is enough decentralization at this pt where no one gvt can shut it down. the corruption has got to stop.

There is quite a bit of propaganda devoted toward distracting people from the value of honest money.

A lot of people have a vested interest in making sure the masses never recognize that is Bitcoin's killer app.

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if the Transports drop below the SL line, look the hell out, as in confirmation of the non-confirmation:

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Quote from: marcus_of_augustus on April 01, 2015, 01:16:03 PM

Quote from: tabnloz on April 01, 2015, 08:30:28 AM

Quote from: cypherdoc on April 01, 2015, 06:33:31 AM

Quote from: cypherdoc on April 01, 2015, 06:04:35 AM

Well now, this made me sit up and listen:

“The future starts in Greece and we will be the first country to use the currency of the future, a currency that doesn’t allow third parties to tell us what to do or how to live, this is the Greek thing to do,” said the Greek minister.

http://greece.greekreporter.com/2015/04/01/yanis-varoufakis-greece-will-adopt-the-bitcoin-if-eurogroup-doesnt-give-us-a-deal/

May be an April fools joke. Can't tell yet:.

It may be a joke and he may not believe it, but in the era of austerity, NIRP, unemployment and fighting against the interests of powerful institutions, it is a pretty powerful statement.

... joke's on them when you know they actually would be better off going with bitcoin but are so stupid they still treat it like a joke.

Long way to go ... "then they laugh at you"

most ppl still have not caught onto the idea that Bitcoin is fundamentally about honesty and hope. the last couple of days worth of SR reading surely should highlight how deep the corruption runs into our gvt agencies that were supposed to help and protect the public good. they have morphed into just the opposite; a threat feeding off the free money and the masses. this is why the inflation/deflation debate is a non-starter. the current inflationary system is corrupt and serves a small financial elite who control the money supply or who are in important authoritarian positions as were the 2 agents. those of us early Bitcoin adopters are not demanding a new system that allows us to replace those corrupt individuals; all we want is a fair system. what we've done is also put our money where our mouths are; into a risky new currency that introduces a level playing field for all involved. it could just as easily fail. but at this pt i think it is highly unlikely given how far we've come. the cat is out of the bag and Bitcoin is stimulating concerned discussions in all gvts worldwide. there is enough decentralization at this pt where no one gvt can shut it down. the corruption has got to stop.

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Eadem mutata resurgo

Quote from: tabnloz on April 01, 2015, 08:30:28 AM

Quote from: cypherdoc on April 01, 2015, 06:33:31 AM

Quote from: cypherdoc on April 01, 2015, 06:04:35 AM

Well now, this made me sit up and listen:

“The future starts in Greece and we will be the first country to use the currency of the future, a currency that doesn’t allow third parties to tell us what to do or how to live, this is the Greek thing to do,” said the Greek minister.

http://greece.greekreporter.com/2015/04/01/yanis-varoufakis-greece-will-adopt-the-bitcoin-if-eurogroup-doesnt-give-us-a-deal/

May be an April fools joke. Can't tell yet:.

It may be a joke and he may not believe it, but in the era of austerity, NIRP, unemployment and fighting against the interests of powerful institutions, it is a pretty powerful statement.

... joke's on them when you know they actually would be better off going with bitcoin but are so stupid they still treat it like a joke.

Long way to go ... "then they laugh at you"

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Quote from: cypherdoc on April 01, 2015, 06:33:31 AM

Quote from: cypherdoc on April 01, 2015, 06:04:35 AM

Well now, this made me sit up and listen:

“The future starts in Greece and we will be the first country to use the currency of the future, a currency that doesn’t allow third parties to tell us what to do or how to live, this is the Greek thing to do,” said the Greek minister.

http://greece.greekreporter.com/2015/04/01/yanis-varoufakis-greece-will-adopt-the-bitcoin-if-eurogroup-doesnt-give-us-a-deal/

May be an April fools joke. Can't tell yet:.

It may be a joke and he may not believe it, but in the era of austerity, NIRP, unemployment and fighting against the interests of powerful institutions, it is a pretty powerful statement.

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Quote from: cypherdoc on April 01, 2015, 06:33:31 AM

Quote from: cypherdoc on April 01, 2015, 06:04:35 AM

Well now, this made me sit up and listen:

“The future starts in Greece and we will be the first country to use the currency of the future, a currency that doesn’t allow third parties to tell us what to do or how to live, this is the Greek thing to do,” said the Greek minister.

http://greece.greekreporter.com/2015/04/01/yanis-varoufakis-greece-will-adopt-the-bitcoin-if-eurogroup-doesnt-give-us-a-deal/

May be an April fools joke. Can't tell yet:.

Yes, it is.

God I hate this stupid day every year, so many folks online trying desperately to be cute/clever/funny, but all just fall flat and come off as groan worthy. Like this one:

http://blog.newegg.com/introducing-eggcoin-the-worlds-first-egg-based-cryptocurrency/

Not even remotely funny if you ask me.

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Quote from: cypherdoc on April 01, 2015, 06:04:35 AM

Well now, this made me sit up and listen:

“The future starts in Greece and we will be the first country to use the currency of the future, a currency that doesn’t allow third parties to tell us what to do or how to live, this is the Greek thing to do,” said the Greek minister.

http://greece.greekreporter.com/2015/04/01/yanis-varoufakis-greece-will-adopt-the-bitcoin-if-eurogroup-doesnt-give-us-a-deal/

May be an April fools joke. Can't tell yet:.

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He was gonna go with Litecoin but didn't like the rebranding thing.

http://www.reddit.com/r/litecoin/comments/3111z8/litecoin_rebranding_and_major_protocol_changes/

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Well now, this made me sit up and listen:

“The future starts in Greece and we will be the first country to use the currency of the future, a currency that doesn’t allow third parties to tell us what to do or how to live, this is the Greek thing to do,” said the Greek minister.

http://greece.greekreporter.com/2015/04/01/yanis-varoufakis-greece-will-adopt-the-bitcoin-if-eurogroup-doesnt-give-us-a-deal/

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Dow futures down -182

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Dow futures down -92. might wanna stock up on some Bitcoin.

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geezuz, Shaun Bridges reaching even beyond SR according to Charles Allen:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/videos/2015-03-31/the-worst-2015-first-quarter-s-p-500-performers

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Quote from: rocks on March 31, 2015, 02:41:39 PM

- Secret warrants where individuals/corporations are not even allowed to say they've received a warrant or what actions were taken. It's gotten so bad we now have warrant canary sites. https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2014/04/warrant-canary-faq
- Government restrictions on information the defense can bring (i.e. in the above). In a truly free republic an individual can decide for themselves what information to present and let a jury decide what is valid/relevant. In today's trials people are restricted.
- etc. etc. etc.

And Australia has just made warrant canaries illegal : https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2015/03/australia_outla.html

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Section 182A of the new law says that a person commits an offense if he or she discloses or uses information about "the existence or non-existence of such a [journalist information] warrant." The penalty upon conviction is two years imprisonment.

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