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Topic: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. - page 943. (Read 2032274 times)

legendary
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September 18, 2014, 02:58:54 PM

As money it will fail, because it's supply is finite.
World's economy will grow with time, so ( very moderately ) MUST grow supply of real digital money.  Roll Eyes

Finite supply of BTC will lead to deflationary spirals and to underinvestment.... Wink

lol

We need moar!! (cit dr Havenstein)

sr. member
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September 18, 2014, 02:12:07 PM
The world is going digital, something that never existed before.

It would be a very fragile world. The attempts will continue of course, but the outcome is vague at best.
legendary
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September 18, 2014, 01:22:55 PM
gold up, btc down 70% ytd and counting lol

btc will be a blip in history in 50 yrs, gold will be as good as gold 1000 yrs from now.

And that's where you're wrong. The world is going digital, something that never existed before. Gold can't compete in a digital world. Bitcoin can. Forget that and you'll pay the price.
legendary
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September 18, 2014, 01:01:31 PM
Gold collapsing. Bitcoin too. ^^




legendary
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September 18, 2014, 12:59:31 PM
If my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle Cheesy

Not if they were ben-wa balls.

sr. member
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September 18, 2014, 12:43:46 PM
gold up, btc down 70% ytd and counting lol

btc will be a blip in history in 50 yrs, gold will be as good as gold 1000 yrs from now.
legendary
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September 18, 2014, 12:21:36 PM
I remember when 1 bitcoin was worth more then 1 ounce of gold crazy times.

just briefly.  i remember sitting there watching Bitcoin ascend to meet gold.  what a thrill.  it was the culmination of 2.5 yrs of posting about it.  if there was one thing that i could point to that capped the rally @1200 back in Dec it was Satoshi daring to touch the face of gold.  traders immediately sold it off and took profits as the once considered impossible occurred.  we've had a wicked retrace since then but i'm convinced the story is not over and that we will go back up and touch it again.

IIRC when bitcoin=gold ounce was the peak. Cypherdoc, do you think that confirms there is a strong relationship between gold and btc?  

from a conceptual standpoint, Satoshi designed Bitcoin to be a digital form of gold.  he talks about this in some of his earlier writings.  he also used the term "mining" which is a direct reference to gold mining.  his genesis block indicates a sophisticated understanding of fiat bailouts and the moral hazards related to such.  the whole design of decentralization, key to Bitcoin's success, is an attempt to avoid gvt interference and censorship, something gold bugs have always been concerned about.  Satoshi's insight came after many decades of various digital cash forerunners.  the fixed supply of BTC is a fundamental concept behind sound money and a throwback to the days before we had central banks.  when i first started studying about Bitcoin in Jan 2011, i saw the relationship immediately.  my many years of gold and silver hoarding was critical to understanding what he had invented.  so yes, i think there is a conceptual relationship btwn Bitcoin and gold designed from the beginning by Satoshi himself.

yes, i do think the fact that Bitcoin touched the gold price back in Dec is symbolic and will be retested.

your question really is, what is the price relationship going to be long term?   i think it's going to be inverse.  but only over the long term as we've seen since gold's top and Bitcoins low in 2011.

obviously, under most other shorter term time frames you won't see it b/c there is still considerable doubt and skepticism to the idea which causes plenty of divergences to the inverse relationship seen in the price data.  having actually monitored the news and price flow closely in this arena since January 2011, i think i will be right in the long run despite the recent Bitcoin bearishness.  

but it's also possible my judgment is clouded given my portfolio positioning.  all i can do is continue to present my case here in the form of links, references, charts, graphs, statistics, theoretical arguments, etc, as i have done since Gold: I Smell a Trap

That's what I thought. Very nice answer, thank you very much. This thread is actually real eye opener if you pay attention.  Smiley
sr. member
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September 18, 2014, 12:13:47 PM
If my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle Cheesy
legendary
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September 18, 2014, 12:11:44 PM
Investopedia: What Is Bitcoin's Intrinsic Value?

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Our total estimate for global value of mediums of exchange and stores of value thus comes to 72.1 trillion US dollars.  If bitcoin were to achieve 15% of this valuation, its market capitalization in today's money would be 10.8 trillion US dollars.  With 21 million bitcoin in circulation, that would put the price of 1 bitcoin at $514,000.  That would be over 1,000 times the current price.

http://www.investopedia.com/articles/investing/091814/what-bitcoins-intrinsic-value.asp

Grin Cheesy
FNG
hero member
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September 18, 2014, 11:15:48 AM

As money it will fail, because it's supply is finite.
World's economy will grow with time, so ( very moderately ) MUST grow supply of real digital money.  Roll Eyes

Finite supply of BTC will lead to deflationary spirals and to underinvestment.... Wink

lol
sr. member
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September 18, 2014, 11:01:02 AM
It sounds very religiously...
Why should be only ONE Bitcoin/Digital Gold ??
you can not guarantee that some other form of cryptomoney won't superceed BTC...


Bitcoin is only good for filling of forex reserves of Central Banks...
Very ironically  Shocked
As money it will fail, because it's supply is finite.
World's economy will grow with time, so ( very moderately ) MUST grow supply of real digital money.  Roll Eyes

Finite supply of BTC will lead to deflationary spirals and to underinvestment.... Wink
legendary
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September 18, 2014, 10:46:52 AM
I remember when 1 bitcoin was worth more then 1 ounce of gold crazy times.

just briefly.  i remember sitting there watching Bitcoin ascend to meet gold.  what a thrill.  it was the culmination of 2.5 yrs of posting about it.  if there was one thing that i could point to that capped the rally @1200 back in Dec it was Satoshi daring to touch the face of gold.  traders immediately sold it off and took profits as the once considered impossible occurred.  we've had a wicked retrace since then but i'm convinced the story is not over and that we will go back up and touch it again.

IIRC when bitcoin=gold ounce was the peak. Cypherdoc, do you think that confirms there is a strong relationship between gold and btc?  

from a conceptual standpoint, Satoshi designed Bitcoin to be a digital form of gold.  he talks about this in some of his earlier writings.  he also used the term "mining" which is a direct reference to gold mining.  his genesis block indicates a sophisticated understanding of fiat bailouts and the moral hazards related to such.  the whole design of decentralization, key to Bitcoin's success, is an attempt to avoid gvt interference and censorship, something gold bugs have always been concerned about.  Satoshi's insight came after many decades of various digital cash forerunners.  the fixed supply of BTC is a fundamental concept behind sound money and a throwback to the days before we had central banks.  when i first started studying about Bitcoin in Jan 2011, i saw the relationship immediately.  my many years of gold and silver hoarding was critical to understanding what he had invented.  so yes, i think there is a conceptual relationship btwn Bitcoin and gold designed from the beginning by Satoshi himself.

yes, i do think the fact that Bitcoin touched the gold price back in Dec is symbolic and will be retested.

your question really is, what is the price relationship going to be long term?   i think it's going to be inverse.  but only over the long term as we've seen since gold's top and Bitcoins low in 2011.

obviously, under most other shorter term time frames you won't see it b/c there is still considerable doubt and skepticism to the idea which causes plenty of divergences to the inverse relationship seen in the price data.  having actually monitored the news and price flow closely in this arena since January 2011, i think i will be right in the long run despite the recent Bitcoin bearishness.  

but it's also possible my judgment is clouded given my portfolio positioning.  all i can do is continue to present my case here in the form of links, references, charts, graphs, statistics, theoretical arguments, etc, as i have done since Gold: I Smell a Trap
legendary
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September 18, 2014, 10:18:07 AM
James D'Angelo on volatility:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NqP1CNK8XI
legendary
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Gresham's Lawyer
September 18, 2014, 08:55:31 AM

Maybe you are not understanding what correlation is or what it means?
legendary
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September 18, 2014, 08:51:17 AM
i'll be darned.  is Apple making an effort?:

“Unlike our competitors, Apple cannot bypass your passcode and therefore cannot access this data,” Apple said on its Web site. “So it’s not technically feasible for us to respond to government warrants for the extraction of this data from devices in their possession running iOS 8.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/technology/2014/09/17/2612af58-3ed2-11e4-b03f-de718edeb92f_story.html

Good move. I have to reconsider my anti Apple stance.
The Apple OS is closed source: how can you be sure that what Apple says it's true?

Good question.
hero member
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Libertas a calumnia
September 18, 2014, 08:48:50 AM
i'll be darned.  is Apple making an effort?:

“Unlike our competitors, Apple cannot bypass your passcode and therefore cannot access this data,” Apple said on its Web site. “So it’s not technically feasible for us to respond to government warrants for the extraction of this data from devices in their possession running iOS 8.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/technology/2014/09/17/2612af58-3ed2-11e4-b03f-de718edeb92f_story.html

Good move. I have to reconsider my anti Apple stance.
The Apple OS is closed source: how can you be sure that what Apple says it's true?
legendary
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Merit: 1005
September 18, 2014, 03:39:41 AM
i'll be darned.  is Apple making an effort?:

“Unlike our competitors, Apple cannot bypass your passcode and therefore cannot access this data,” Apple said on its Web site. “So it’s not technically feasible for us to respond to government warrants for the extraction of this data from devices in their possession running iOS 8.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/technology/2014/09/17/2612af58-3ed2-11e4-b03f-de718edeb92f_story.html

Good move. I have to reconsider my anti Apple stance.
legendary
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Eadem mutata resurgo
hero member
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September 18, 2014, 02:26:14 AM
is a strong relationship between gold and btc? 

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Correlated

https://www.kimonolabs.com/bitcoin/correlator
legendary
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September 18, 2014, 01:59:23 AM
I remember when 1 bitcoin was worth more then 1 ounce of gold crazy times.

just briefly.  i remember sitting there watching Bitcoin ascend to meet gold.  what a thrill.  it was the culmination of 2.5 yrs of posting about it.  if there was one thing that i could point to that capped the rally @1200 back in Dec it was Satoshi daring to touch the face of gold.  traders immediately sold it off and took profits as the once considered impossible occurred.  we've had a wicked retrace since then but i'm convinced the story is not over and that we will go back up and touch it again.

IIRC when bitcoin=gold ounce was the peak. Cypherdoc, do you think that confirms there is a strong relationship between gold and btc? 
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