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June 15, 2013, 06:27:21 AM
#23
So no chance of a 2-4 blade install? It would be awesome if your blade interface is ASIC agnostic and we could start with a couple AVALON blades, add some BitFury blades, and finish off with some KNC blades.

We may do smaller versions but the real benefits of this is that it is designed for size. There are so many offerings in the small and middle size already we didn't want to really to drop in there in the early rigs. There is also the issue of managing builds and with the Avalon chip supply coming potentially from customers we simply need to cut down the number of people we are working with in this early phase of production. As with everything we have done so far in the bitcoin world we are aiming to maintain our indicated timelines.

Our vision for this system is that it might have different processing elements and it is kind of modular albeit on a large scale. So to be crystal clear on that we will work with other vendor silicon as much as our own offerings FPGA or ASIC. There is merit in this model as some types of board many not be available to all markets due to export restrictions. CM4 is very likely to be in the export restricted bracket and we are taking advice on that. CM3 with a very fixed function is less likely to be an issue export wise. Beyond CM3/CM4 we have other technology options in progress and being evaluated. No timeline for these before you ask but certainly not soon. It is not a secret that we have been very busy with non-bitcoin side of our business and that is expected to be the case for some months to come yet.

We have been asked what it will look like and basically the answer at the moment is a 19" rack. So not pretty but functional. We have some plans for exterior casings that will allow the unit to go into places that it could be used for water or home heating but those are far from finalised as yet and those are a secondary task. The inital units will be traditional fan driven air cooling.

Control wise some of you may have seen the dimm socket holes on the CM3 CAD picture. That is where our board/rack controllers are going to sit. Initially this will be a combo of a small FPGA and standard processor module that will allow us to run a Linux + MPBM combination but we have other options planned as well. There is an Ethernet and USB interface routed from the socket so each board potentially could run stand alone but we have also made provision to run up to 8 boards from one controller module so a master/slave type operation is possible. This approach gives some advantages in doing other technology options as we get to reuse the same controllers for new technologies.

Power wise we are aiming for a maximum of 6KW with a CM4 solution but we are hoping to get 500GH/s at that. There is still more work to be done on this to confirm that so that number may be a little off. A CM3 solution is likely to be somewhat better at maybe 3KW at 300MH/s based on published figures. For some customer/countries the 6KW may be an issue and we may alter the unit spec a little to work in with what customer sites can support. In the UK many domestic ring mains are 30A at a nominal 230V so you can see why we are aiming at the 6KW. As most houses here only have mains feeds of 60-100A it is also something of a practical rig limit in taking half or one third of an available supply. Obviously if we are looking at industrial units or data centre operation that is maybe a different situation.

CM4 does not use Avalon chips. Only CM3 uses Avalon chips.
legendary
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nec sine labore
June 15, 2013, 04:19:57 AM
#22
By the way a power consumption estimation would be usefull as well, in particular given the price tag.

I'm talking about the unit without Avalon chips or the CM4 if this is its name. 

spiccioli
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June 14, 2013, 08:20:39 PM
#21
Interesting, but more clarity on the offering and diagrams on what a rack looks like would help.
legendary
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June 14, 2013, 05:54:50 PM
#20
Ultimately if you don't like our price then go elsewhere or design your own. There is no obligation to buy.

Will do  Smiley  Undecided


+1
legendary
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June 14, 2013, 05:54:22 PM
#19
Are you going to wait until you're actually ready to ship these before you take orders, or do you plan to do pre-orders like others and then wait a few months? :p.

And I was a bit confused about your offerings. I get the 85 euro/GH/s, but what types of packages are available?

Basically equipment of this size will be built to order and there will be a deposit so call that a preorder. The main offering will be a complete rack with air cooling and power supplies including within. Beyond this initial offering we are looking things like different sizes and maybe even bringing our Cairnsmore2 to market for the smaller customer.

On timelines we hope to have both CM3 and CM4 prototypes running in the bext 2-3 weeks. A lot of work has already been done on our Cairnsmore2 development platform. The main aspect of the timeline is then just the delivery of parts and our manufacturing cycles. We have been working on those aspects for a while so August is quite practical as a delivery date.

That sounds awesome! How big are the racks, and do you know how much power you're looking at altogether?
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June 14, 2013, 05:52:32 PM
#18
Are you going to wait until you're actually ready to ship these before you take orders, or do you plan to do pre-orders like others and then wait a few months? :p.

And I was a bit confused about your offerings. I get the 85 euro/GH/s, but what types of packages are available?

Basically equipment of this size will be built to order and there will be a deposit so call that a preorder. The main offering will be a complete rack with air cooling and power supplies including within. Beyond this initial offering we are looking things like different sizes and maybe even bringing our Cairnsmore2 to market for the smaller customer.

On timelines we hope to have both CM3 and CM4 prototypes running in the next 2-3 weeks. A lot of work has already been done on our Cairnsmore2 development platform. The main aspect of the timeline is then just the delivery of parts and our manufacturing cycles. We have been working on those aspects for a while so August is quite practical as a delivery date.
legendary
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June 14, 2013, 05:47:39 PM
#17
Are you going to wait until you're actually ready to ship these before you take orders, or do you plan to do pre-orders like others and then wait a few months? :p.

And I was a bit confused about your offerings. I get the 85 euro/GH/s, but what types of packages are available?

I think that price is quoted for universal mining device with software for it. Based on FPGA technology.
Software is here very important matter. Because it will keep (beside of good engineering design) future proof idea. Yes, nothing is 100% future proof, but will keep market place for longer time and make users happy longer Smiley



I am kind of... not really believing we can have a universal (scrypt/sha-256) device like this though, as the two are so different in how they work. I just think that for an FPGA or ASIC to be efficient, it has to choose one or the other and be customized towards that. Otherwise we end up with "novice at many, master of none."
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June 14, 2013, 05:44:00 PM
#16
So no chance of a 2-4 blade install? It would be awesome if your blade interface is ASIC agnostic and we could start with a couple AVALON blades, add some BitFury blades, and finish off with some KNC blades.
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June 14, 2013, 05:40:22 PM
#15
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June 14, 2013, 05:39:11 PM
#14
Are you going to wait until you're actually ready to ship these before you take orders, or do you plan to do pre-orders like others and then wait a few months? :p.

And I was a bit confused about your offerings. I get the 85 euro/GH/s, but what types of packages are available?

I think that price is quoted for universal mining device with software for it. Based on FPGA technology.
Software is here very important matter. Because it will keep (beside of good engineering design) future proof idea. Yes, nothing is 100% future proof, but will keep market place for longer time and make users happy longer Smiley

legendary
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June 14, 2013, 05:35:40 PM
#13
Are you going to wait until you're actually ready to ship these before you take orders, or do you plan to do pre-orders like others and then wait a few months? :p.

And I was a bit confused about your offerings. I get the 85 euro/GH/s, but what types of packages are available?
donator
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between a rock and a block!
June 14, 2013, 05:29:11 PM
#12
Crainsmore1 [ 800 MH/s ] expensive as well. For 10BTC I can get 5 block erupters [ 5x330=1650 MH/s ]

Correct me if I am wrong (it's late) but your block erupters are costing 10 BTC ~= £653 for 1.65GH/s. = £395 per GH/s. How is that better than £80 per GH/s for a major piece of engineering?

We are not aiming to be the cheapest with this equipment as some of the supposed maybe competative offerings are way too cheap to be viable as professionally engineered and manufactured products. A rig on this scale needs a lot more engineering than a lash up design of a few chips. That said we think it is good value for this sort of rig. There are not many offerings at the 0.3-0.5 TH/s size range. This is technology that will build 100Th/s rigs not hang out of a laptop USB port.

With all due respect... You are not selling designer purses!  Your name/design means nothing in the long run and is not going to allow you to command a price that makes no economic sense simply because they are "professionally engineered".  I can assure you that all delivered open-source projects related to bitcoins are engineered by professionals.

There is a big difference to a company project that has to pay wages/taxes/overheads and non-company project that does not have these costs. Even if a professional engineer or engineers do a project in their spare time it is very different to a company being available behind a project. I could give a longish list of things that won't be available from a solution engineered by even professional people in their spare time. That is in no way any smear of those projects but simple practicality and reality. Ultimately if you don't like our price then go elsewhere or design your own. There is no obligation to buy.
if the price reflects your costs, than say so.  don't beat around the bush with "because I made it therefore I charge more" theme.  I understand if your costs are higher, your price needs to be higher... nothing wrong with that...
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June 14, 2013, 05:28:57 PM
#11
First of all I must say my personal opinion....

Yohan is honorable member of this community, with projects already done with success on market.
Personally, he replied to me on every message I sent, so he is responsible also.

Only single thing that is under question mark is: is it profitable to buyer.
But it is up to the market to show.

I AM interested in more universal mining device, even based on FPGA technology.
And must again say, if software supported SHA1 salted hacking for SL3 unlocking, I'm ALL IN Smiley




sr. member
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June 14, 2013, 05:15:35 PM
#10
The system concept is for larger rigs typically using a 19" sub-rack to offer typically 300-500 GH/s depending on the board technology used and that is the unit size that we will initially be selling in.


The first technology offering isn't very original in that the base card is based on Avalon chips. The Cairnsmore3 has 144 of Avalon chips on-board. The main reason for offering this technology is purely customer demand and our ability to build units will demend on securing Avalon chips. So it will be for buyers that bring Avalon chips with them.

I'm a little confused re: the CM3 - Avalon option.  Is this 19" rack mount and only for sale packaged up into 300-500 GH/s, or is it for sale by the 144 chip 41 GH/s board?

There are 8 CM3s in this 19" rack option so it is more like 1152 Avalon chips in total between the 8 boards. So basically at the moment we are selling the rack option.
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June 14, 2013, 05:11:38 PM
#9
The system concept is for larger rigs typically using a 19" sub-rack to offer typically 300-500 GH/s depending on the board technology used and that is the unit size that we will initially be selling in.


The first technology offering isn't very original in that the base card is based on Avalon chips. The Cairnsmore3 has 144 of Avalon chips on-board. The main reason for offering this technology is purely customer demand and our ability to build units will demend on securing Avalon chips. So it will be for buyers that bring Avalon chips with them.

I'm a little confused re: the CM3 - Avalon option.  Is this 19" rack mount and only for sale packaged up into 300-500 GH/s, or is it for sale by the 144 chip 41 GH/s board?
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In Cryptocoins I Trust
June 14, 2013, 05:05:45 PM
#8
Ultimately if you don't like our price then go elsewhere or design your own. There is no obligation to buy.

Will do  Smiley  Undecided
sr. member
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June 14, 2013, 05:01:06 PM
#7
Crainsmore1 [ 800 MH/s ] expensive as well. For 10BTC I can get 5 block erupters [ 5x330=1650 MH/s ]

Correct me if I am wrong (it's late) but your block erupters are costing 10 BTC ~= £653 for 1.65GH/s. = £395 per GH/s. How is that better than £80 per GH/s for a major piece of engineering?

We are not aiming to be the cheapest with this equipment as some of the supposed maybe competative offerings are way too cheap to be viable as professionally engineered and manufactured products. A rig on this scale needs a lot more engineering than a lash up design of a few chips. That said we think it is good value for this sort of rig. There are not many offerings at the 0.3-0.5 TH/s size range. This is technology that will build 100Th/s rigs not hang out of a laptop USB port.

With all due respect... You are not selling designer purses!  Your name/design means nothing in the long run and is not going to allow you to command a price that makes no economic sense simply because they are "professionally engineered".  I can assure you that all delivered open-source projects related to bitcoins are engineered by professionals.

There is a big difference to a company project that has to pay wages/taxes/overheads and non-company project that does not have these costs. Even if a professional engineer or engineers do a project in their spare time it is very different to a company being available behind a project. I could give a longish list of things that won't be available from a solution engineered by even professional people in their spare time. That is in no way any smear of those projects but simple practicality and reality. Ultimately if you don't like our price then go elsewhere or design your own. There is no obligation to buy.
donator
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between a rock and a block!
June 14, 2013, 04:48:19 PM
#6
Crainsmore1 [ 800 MH/s ] expensive as well. For 10BTC I can get 5 block erupters [ 5x330=1650 MH/s ]

Correct me if I am wrong (it's late) but your block erupters are costing 10 BTC ~= £653 for 1.65GH/s. = £395 per GH/s. How is that better than £80 per GH/s for a major piece of engineering?

We are not aiming to be the cheapest with this equipment as some of the supposed maybe competative offerings are way too cheap to be viable as professionally engineered and manufactured products. A rig on this scale needs a lot more engineering than a lash up design of a few chips. That said we think it is good value for this sort of rig. There are not many offerings at the 0.3-0.5 TH/s size range. This is technology that will build 100Th/s rigs not hang out of a laptop USB port.

With all due respect... You are not selling designer purses!  Your name/design means nothing in the long run and is not going to allow you to command a price that makes no economic sense simply because they are "professionally engineered".  I can assure you that all delivered open-source projects related to bitcoins are engineered by professionals.
sr. member
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June 14, 2013, 04:42:27 PM
#5
Crainsmore1 [ 800 MH/s ] expensive as well. For 10BTC I can get 5 block erupters [ 5x330=1650 MH/s ]

Correct me if I am wrong (it's late) but your block erupters are costing 10 BTC ~= £653 for 1.65GH/s. = £395 per GH/s. How is that better than £80 per GH/s for a major piece of engineering?

We are not aiming to be the cheapest with this equipment as some of the supposed maybe competative offerings are way too cheap to be viable as professionally engineered and manufactured products. A rig on this scale needs a lot more engineering than a lash up design of a few chips. That said we think it is good value for this sort of rig. There are not many offerings at the 0.3-0.5 TH/s size range. This is technology that will build 100Th/s rigs and not just hang out of a laptop USB port.
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June 14, 2013, 03:47:21 PM
#4
Crainsmore1 [ 800 MH/s ] expensive as well. For 10BTC I can get 5 block erupters [ 5x330=1650 MH/s ]
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