Topic: Good News: Avalon ASIC Samples shipped, (sorry for the panic over the weekend) - page 2. (Read 4494 times)

Very close!! Thanks for playing 

This is nothing,you want to see a clusterfuck Try 3 letters 

I was under impression that there are only two distinct designs developing right now, BkkCoins and burnin, and that all other developers are basically cloning their designs. Is this not true? Shouldn't it then be priority to get sample chips to these two? What is the point sending the same amount of sample chips to BkkCoins and some other guy who is waiting for BkkCoins to finish his testing and order the PCB following that design?

Why do these preorders always have to be such a clusterfuck?

I'll just confirm that any info I uncover from testing sample chips will be made freely available. And time permitting if specific tests are requested I'll try to provide answers for them as long as I don't think that chip damage could occur due to testing, or that it interferes with finishing my own tests.

If I had to reduce testing to a level where I was comfortable saying "ok this works", I'd say 2 chips per bank and there is 2 banks on a K16 board, ie. 4 chips. This allows testing the ASIC chain, the result wire-ORing, and nonce range splitting between banks. Having more chips would not help much with testing stacking or multiple K16 chaining as those functions are independent. It possibly could help with detecting timing issues in the code under heavier utilization.

The primary reason to have more test chips would be to test the K16 under heavy power use and heat dissipation and I think that's useful, of course, but will have to be approached according to how many samples I end up receiving. Sure, more would be better and allow more complete testing such that board users/assemblers/mfrs can be more sure that some use conditions won't have problems. If I can't test everything I'll try what I can and probably simulate what I cannot.

(I'll cross post this in the Klondike thread for completeness)

Well,Steamboat says :

Avalon has sent an email stating the samples have shipped. They have also stated each address is only eligible for one batch's worth of sample chips. As soon as the chips arrive, they will be sent to BkkCoins to further development of the Klondike project.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2422470

Whoo hoo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'll die laughing if I get a Klondike before my BFL 30GH unit!!!!!!!!! 

What would YOU do for a Klondike   

Well, at least they shipped some chips.....

I really don't think these companies estimate demand very well (or care about their customers).

i consider it good news overall 

This is good news for difficulty.

~300 users, 10+ projects, only 30 chip samples. Very disappointing indeed.

I would imagine the escrow agents would sue in their jurisdiction first and then if successful try to get that judgement enforced where the company has assets. That is the usual method for going after international companies.

Without seeing the actual contract terms, it is impossible to know how much leeway Avalon has. Plus, Avalon has $8 million dollars in one bitcoin address and that will buy a lot of lawyers.

I really can't believe, that company, which sell product in price of new luxury car, communicate in this way. Also is really shit, that depends, how many addresses you use, and absolutly no matter, how many chips you ordered. Only reason for this behavior is, that there is not competitor on the market yet. Once there will be, it will much improve this kind of approach.

I don't think there's any court case in this, but it's a really shitty thing for Avalon to do. They knew full well what they were implying, and they knew full well how it was interpreted by the market, due to the frenzy of discussion on the topic. They never made any attempt to clarify until well after it was too late for anybody to base their decisions on that information.

REALLY shitty for Avalon to be such tightwads over a set of chips that cost them maybe $100 to manufacture, on $100,000+ orders. Steamboat has organized 5 group buys up to this point. That's over half a million bucks worth of orders, and they're gonna stiff him for $400 worth of chips? Ouch!

That said, they don't appear to have done anything illegal. And even if they did, I've been dealing with the Chinese for long enough to not be surprised by it in the least...

  China 

Good luck with that. Maybe ull have better luck suing BFL.

Lying to make a sale is really common... and Avalon people seem very sincere to me.

They only wrote: "sample chips will be provided 4 weeks into ordering." That leaves room for interpretation...

IIRC, Avalon said 30 sample chips per order, then changed it to 30 sample chips per shipping address. If that is true then they can take Avalon to court for breach of contract.

I don't have an exact count but aren't there like 4-5 groupbuys? those that come out of my mind are zefir, t13hyda, biswoo (or someting like that), sebastianju, steamboat
That should give like 120-150 samples, maybe each group buy could support atleast one developer?

If 2 groups are designing 16 chip boards, how can you distribute 30 chips to them equitably?
I think the escrow folks are going to have to put the screws to Avalon for more samples, or ask for their money back.

At least there are samples. 2 steps forward, 1 back. 

Very disappointing indeed.

If there's room for just one to come my way. I would really appreciate it.

thanks,
   Allten