Google suspends Huawei's Android support

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Interesting Read.

1. Today the US Is Waging a War on Huawei. In 1987 It Was Japan’s Toshiba

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Toshiba was the hope of Japan’s science and technology industry, and also the hope and pillar of Japan’s manufacturing. After suffering a heavy blow from the United States, Toshiba went downhill thoroughly.

The U.S. attacked Toshiba not because it sold equipment to the Soviet Union, but because it affected U.S. interests. The United States believed that the Japanese semiconductor industry represented by Toshiba Group seriously threatened the economic interests of the United States, while the Japanese high-end manufacturing plan threatened the United States and challenged the technological hegemony of the United States

2. Japan Then, China Now: US Has a History of Scapegoating Others for Its Own Economic Self-Destruction

New update on this Ban fiasco- China is warming up as well.

Following US Huawei ban, China threatens own blacklist for foreign firms

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Quote from: Psynthax on May 30, 2019, 07:14:30 PM

But this company has already announced the hongmeng OS Cheesy

Hongmeng is surely just a customized build of AOSP. It therefore has no significant differences with original Android, except for absence of some proprietary components.

Quote from: Psynthax on May 30, 2019, 07:14:30 PM

but the problem when there were a few big companies is even using their own OS can't attract a lot of developers and demand.

Even a student can clone AOSP sources tree and derive his own Hongmeng OS from it. Unsurprisely, it will support all existent android applications, because it will be nothing else but Android under different trademark.

In fact, a lot of students are doing this for either entertainment or self-development purposes.

https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s3/development/vanir-aosp-t3568393
https://andi34.github.io/roms_tab2_aosp.html

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Quote from: Balthazar on May 30, 2019, 02:01:15 PM

Quote from: Naida_BR on May 22, 2019, 12:58:25 PM

That's really bad news for Huawei and mostly because their users have already created the need for Google apps such as Maps or Youtube.
It is a new way of trading war and it will either make Huawei stronger as it will no longer rely on Google apps and probably they will create their own or they will be destroyed and lose many users.

That only forces them to remove google apps from the default installation, but it doesn't prohibit user from installing them manually. Many of chinese vendors are lacking the google certification nowadays. That's not a problem, it is resolved by placing a shortcut on the home screen, which is letting user to install google apps, if these are needed.

But this company has already announced the hongmeng OS Cheesy

As far as i know, a lot of rumours said if huawei will change their future devices to use hongmeng OS. but the problem when there were a few big companies is even using their own OS can't attract a lot of developers and demand. Remember windows mobile OS, Bada OS and tizen OS.
Another ban from various company makes the position of huawei even worst.

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Quote from: Naida_BR on May 22, 2019, 12:58:25 PM

That's really bad news for Huawei and mostly because their users have already created the need for Google apps such as Maps or Youtube.
It is a new way of trading war and it will either make Huawei stronger as it will no longer rely on Google apps and probably they will create their own or they will be destroyed and lose many users.

That only forces them to remove google apps from the default installation, but it doesn't prohibit user from installing them manually. Many of chinese vendors are lacking the google certification nowadays. That's not a problem, it is resolved by placing a shortcut on the home screen, which is letting user to install google apps, if these are needed.

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Quote from: merchantofzeny on May 24, 2019, 12:28:33 PM

Quote from: slocker on May 23, 2019, 12:22:39 PM

Just imagine this for counter measure from Chinese government. Just not to buy Coca Cola for single day just one day. Think that thing would rapidly turn the tide cuz it would be loss for around 150 mill on single day.

I read years ago that they were just selling a knock-off/imitation Coke in China. Same design, etc, but no permission from Coca-Cola. Are they already selling legit Coca-Cola coke there now? Grin

They are selling fake/cheap copies of everything. I am just waiting to see how this will turn in future.
Can anybody really stand against Chinese trade or ban overall chinese traade?

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Quote from: slocker on May 23, 2019, 12:22:39 PM

Just imagine this for counter measure from Chinese government. Just not to buy Coca Cola for single day just one day. Think that thing would rapidly turn the tide cuz it would be loss for around 150 mill on single day.

I read years ago that they were just selling a knock-off/imitation Coke in China. Same design, etc, but no permission from Coca-Cola. Are they already selling legit Coca-Cola coke there now? Grin

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Just imagine this for counter measure from Chinese government. Just not to buy Coca Cola for single day just one day. Think that thing would rapidly turn the tide cuz it would be loss for around 150 mill on single day.

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Quote from: Siren on May 21, 2019, 09:12:30 AM

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A bigger concern for me about Huawei equipment is the equipment that supports backbones of communications networks, such as switches, and wireless antenna.

And this is what we don’t want to have,being in cryptoour privacy is the most important thing but Huawei seems to take this from us

The issue is not just about privacy, it is also about continuing ability to communicate.

If Huawei branded switches were to make up 30% of switches supporting communications backbones, and Huawei were to remotely shut down the equipment, some parts of the county would be entirely cut off, and other parts could be split, and the remaining infrastructure might be overwhelmed so that it cannot handle the now increased workload.

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Quote from: darklus123 on May 21, 2019, 01:14:00 AM

Quote from: TheCoinGrabber on May 20, 2019, 12:35:29 PM

Would Huawei be able to rely on domestic sales in China alone though? I know these phones are supposed to usually last shorter than an iPhone but there also other domestic brands in China it have to compete with.

Maybe this would force them to focus on Asia.

I am not so sure but based on the statement that was given by Huaweii , you will only be able to have minimal effect if currently you are a Huaweii phone user as google will only suspend their services to the later Huaweii phones. I am not so sure on how are they going to do it but one thing is clear to me here it can really affect their sales as most of the android users are actually relying too much on the playstore and other Google services. The effect of this is worldwide therefore if you are living outside China you will surely no longer support future Huaweii phone products because it is actually not just Google who removed their services from this phone, there were also more famous brands from US.

Well good to know that Google didn't throw current users under a bus. I expect the updates to come slower though.

I'm wondering if app developers would make versions of their programs that would work on whatever new OS Huawei uses or if they'd be too afraid that they'd get pulled out of Playstore if they do extend support to the new platform.

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That's really bad news for Huawei and mostly because their users have already created the need for Google apps such as Maps or Youtube.
It is a new way of trading war and it will either make Huawei stronger as it will no longer rely on Google apps and probably they will create their own or they will be destroyed and lose many users.

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What would be cool would be if Huawei made a deal with OpenBSD to brand a secure phone (for use only outside of mainland China of course.) This group maybe has the street cred to jumpstart a small market.

The name recognition may rub off onto Huawei's other products although it shouldn't. It also may foster the (probably false) belief that Huawei is somewhat autonomous from the CCP government.

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So this is just an update of this issue. Since I like this issue a lot and made multiple of research out of curiosity. So this will be the actual image of future Huawei phones.

Kidding aside, QUALCOMM and Intel stopped supplying for Huawei. Sadly there would be no more snapdragon microchips Sad

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Well as for the Chinese people they are now destroying their iPhones in support for the Huawei. Here is the link for the video.

Safe to say that this is keep on getting worse. But here's a good news for those who supports Huawei phones. They confirmed that they built their own OS. Since the war started a long time ago, they built an OS for themselves just in case and it was confirmed last March 14, 2019.

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Quote from: Spendulus on May 21, 2019, 08:38:47 PM

Quote from: tomahawk9 on May 21, 2019, 03:36:28 PM

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1. https://www.businessinsider.com/trade-war-xi-jinping-rare-earth-factory-hint-cripple-us-tech-military-2019-5

The so called "rare earth elements" are really not so rare, and I do not think China restricting these will have any effect whatsoever on tech industry.

Furthermore, this story has been around for about 10 years. More than enough time to look at one's strategic reserves and set up to deal with such a 'crisis'. Cell phones are hardly the only thing which contains 'electronics.' This strikes me as a diversion. Especially here in 2019.

If a supply problem 'afflicts' the United States it would almost certainly be because that was exactly 'the plan.' Equally certain is that people would be advised to put their hands on their wallets because you are about to be robbed. I also wouldn't be surprised to see the wonderful nation of Israel to 'come to the rescue' and save use with their brilliance.

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Quote from: tomahawk9 on May 21, 2019, 03:36:28 PM

Quote from: yesiam6 on May 21, 2019, 01:33:44 PM

Isn't it likely that china will reply by banning apple phones in china as a reply to the blacklisting of huawei?

It's likely to happen.

But, I think China is debating on whether they should go for a more severe move, like restricting rare-earth ore (used in phones) export to US, that would be far more devastating to Apple than their products being blacklisted in China.

I'm saying this because of the recent news about the chinese president visiting a rare earth factory^[1]. That visit is far from being 'random', that's a power move from Xi.

1. https://www.businessinsider.com/trade-war-xi-jinping-rare-earth-factory-hint-cripple-us-tech-military-2019-5

The so called "rare earth elements" are really not so rare, and I do not think China restricting these will have any effect whatsoever on tech industry.

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Quote from: yesiam6 on May 21, 2019, 01:33:44 PM

Isn't it likely that china will reply by banning apple phones in china as a reply to the blacklisting of huawei?

It's likely to happen.

But, I think China is debating on whether they should go for a more severe move, like restricting rare-earth ore (used in phones) export to US, that would be far more devastating to Apple than their products being blacklisted in China.

I'm saying this because of the recent news about the chinese president visiting a rare earth factory^[1]. That visit is far from being 'random', that's a power move from Xi.

1. https://www.businessinsider.com/trade-war-xi-jinping-rare-earth-factory-hint-cripple-us-tech-military-2019-5

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Isn't it likely that china will reply by banning apple phones in china as a reply to the blacklisting of huawei?
Also typical google behaviour they knew of all the "accusations" but only once the trump blacklist hit they cut all ties to huawei.

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Quote from: xvids on May 21, 2019, 05:52:05 AM

Now this would be out of the android phone that I would buy in the future,
What a shame they have a great specs and really great phone but without google I wouldn't enjoy using android phones.
Without google the users would surely be in trouble because if they want to install some applications they have to take the risk on downloading some apk files.

Really needs to consider before purchasing this brand of phone device.

As it will affects the mentalities of their possible customers, without google / playstore it will be a tough journey competing with giant phone services around, they needed to create their own system and make same a like with this apps, lets future decide to the fate of this phone company, we have
to wait if whatever the company will soon to offer after this.

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Seems to be big news these past few days. Huawei is really in a pickle. Even if they make their own OS they'd have a hard time competing with Play Store support. Good luck getting people to create apps for the new OS.

This pretty much kills them outside China since even if they get a decent system running, that bad press from the espionage scandal would still affect sales. Maybe people in Asia who tend to use cheaper China brands wouldn't be bothered but they'll still probably just opt for the other brands instead of Huawei.

But then again, who know how much those other brands have links to the CCP. It's not a matter of doing something "bad" that's the problem, it's getting caught.

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Is it possible that the same thing will happen with Xiaomi? What are your thoughts guys

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I don't think this is an issue for their Chinese market since Google's service are not allowed there anyway. But yes, it's a big headache for those in US and EU that already own Huawei products. Not receiving updates could further compromise their security and I'm not sure if one can just simply switch OS like is done with PC.

Quote from: Juggy777 on May 21, 2019, 03:05:41 AM

The smartphones war is clearly being manipulated in favour of Google, as those that have used Huawei phones will attest that they are affordable and way better than google phones. This ban by google shall crush Huawei market outside China, but Huawei has said they were prepared for it so it’ll be interesting to see what new platform they’ll come up with. Does anyone here think that Huawei should buy Blackberry and use it’s Blackberry Secure software on their phones to counter googles move, as using Blackberry Secure will prove to the world that their phones are secured too.

Huawei is not the only cheap phone manufacturer from China though it probably is one of the largest (or at least one of the most familiar). Vivo, Oppo and Lenovo are huge in Asia and they can, um, capitalize on the demise of Huawei unless Google just blanket bans all Chinese phone brands.

They can only pull off this trick once, the remaining manufacturers would find ways to not be completely reliant on it.

Personally I use an ASUS. I don't even know anyone using a Google phone. It's either you flaunt your iPhone or you use an Android phone, any
Android phone except Google's. Grin

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