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Quote from: Amph on April 04, 2016, 02:40:32 AM

Quote from: deisik on April 03, 2016, 04:26:46 PM

Quote from: BitHodler on April 03, 2016, 11:38:26 AM

Quote from: WEBcreator on April 01, 2016, 10:03:39 AM

Quote from: DimensionZ on April 01, 2016, 06:52:34 AM

The 2nd way is they would just not deal with it and let it run without control (like it's now for most of the countries).

They are not letting bitcoin as it is, the fact is that most country is not aware of bitcoin yet therefore they seems to make it looks like that they let it go without any proper guidance or rules on it however it is not like that. Either way, whichever ways they choose it wont effect bitcoin totally, just partially

Believe me, all countries are aware of Bitcoin. Even third world countries.

Some governments even see Bitcoin as currency as a real threat to their economy. That's why they try to make it very difficult for people to use Bitcoin.

Some countries may even put you in prison for using Bitcoin. It's beyond ridiculous, but it's real stuff.

Do you know of anyone who did actually get behind the bars for just holding Bitcoin (I don't mean tax evasion or things like that)?

How real is that?

yes, look no farther than venezuela, two guy have been arrested because they were mining, not even dealing with bitcoin directly https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/report-two-venezuelans-arrested-mining-bitcoin/

This article says they were arrested on the pretext of smuggling goods since the guys didn't provide the documentation for the machinery. Whether or not this is related to Bitcoin mining as such remains to be seen. Let's wait for the court ruling...

If the guys manage to survive the proceedings, of course

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Quote from: Amph on April 04, 2016, 02:40:32 AM

Quote from: deisik on April 03, 2016, 04:26:46 PM

Quote from: BitHodler on April 03, 2016, 11:38:26 AM

Quote from: WEBcreator on April 01, 2016, 10:03:39 AM

Quote from: DimensionZ on April 01, 2016, 06:52:34 AM

The 2nd way is they would just not deal with it and let it run without control (like it's now for most of the countries).

They are not letting bitcoin as it is, the fact is that most country is not aware of bitcoin yet therefore they seems to make it looks like that they let it go without any proper guidance or rules on it however it is not like that. Either way, whichever ways they choose it wont effect bitcoin totally, just partially

Believe me, all countries are aware of Bitcoin. Even third world countries.

Some governments even see Bitcoin as currency as a real threat to their economy. That's why they try to make it very difficult for people to use Bitcoin.

Some countries may even put you in prison for using Bitcoin. It's beyond ridiculous, but it's real stuff.

Do you know of anyone who did actually get behind the bars for just holding Bitcoin (I don't mean tax evasion or things like that)?

How real is that?

yes, look no farther than venezuela, two guy have been arrested because they were mining, not even dealing with bitcoin directly https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/report-two-venezuelans-arrested-mining-bitcoin/

This is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. Ok, if I launder money, yes, arrest me. But the very process of laundering money is subverted by "creating" or "earning" such said money. If I have $100,000 in cash and I want it turned into clean cash, then getting a job that pays me another $100,000 does nothing to help, other than show income if needed. To launder is to alter the form of pre-existing currency into another and perhaps back again, mining would be useless as I already have the money.

Arrest a guy for laundering drug money....ok, fine. Arrest the "pirate" that made the website that helped him do so....sure, I guess, but really? Arrest two guys for earning income just because it is in the same form that someone else used to launder money, that is pure and unadulterated bullshit. You might as well arrest every one in the United States for holding the US dollar because it is sometimes used to hide illegal activity and launder money. The same is true for every other country that has enough people to have crime.

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Quote from: deisik on April 03, 2016, 04:26:46 PM

Quote from: BitHodler on April 03, 2016, 11:38:26 AM

Quote from: WEBcreator on April 01, 2016, 10:03:39 AM

Quote from: DimensionZ on April 01, 2016, 06:52:34 AM

The 2nd way is they would just not deal with it and let it run without control (like it's now for most of the countries).

They are not letting bitcoin as it is, the fact is that most country is not aware of bitcoin yet therefore they seems to make it looks like that they let it go without any proper guidance or rules on it however it is not like that. Either way, whichever ways they choose it wont effect bitcoin totally, just partially

Believe me, all countries are aware of Bitcoin. Even third world countries.

Some governments even see Bitcoin as currency as a real threat to their economy. That's why they try to make it very difficult for people to use Bitcoin.

Some countries may even put you in prison for using Bitcoin. It's beyond ridiculous, but it's real stuff.

Do you know of anyone who did actually get behind the bars for just holding Bitcoin (I don't mean tax evasion or things like that)?

How real is that?

yes, look no farther than venezuela, two guy have been arrested because they were mining, not even dealing with bitcoin directly https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/report-two-venezuelans-arrested-mining-bitcoin/

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Quote from: deisik on April 03, 2016, 04:26:46 PM

Quote from: BitHodler on April 03, 2016, 11:38:26 AM

Quote from: WEBcreator on April 01, 2016, 10:03:39 AM

Quote from: DimensionZ on April 01, 2016, 06:52:34 AM

The 2nd way is they would just not deal with it and let it run without control (like it's now for most of the countries).

They are not letting bitcoin as it is, the fact is that most country is not aware of bitcoin yet therefore they seems to make it looks like that they let it go without any proper guidance or rules on it however it is not like that. Either way, whichever ways they choose it wont effect bitcoin totally, just partially

Believe me, all countries are aware of Bitcoin. Even third world countries.

Some governments even see Bitcoin as currency as a real threat to their economy. That's why they try to make it very difficult for people to use Bitcoin.

Some countries may even put you in prison for using Bitcoin. It's beyond ridiculous, but it's real stuff.

Do you know of anyone who did actually get behind the bars for just holding Bitcoin (I don't mean tax evasion or things like that)?

How real is that?

there are thousands ofpeople who have millions of dollars in my country and for that they do not pay any tax, and they are still living with freedom, so for bitcoin it will also be the same, only that money is charged for tax, which the government see in rugalation.

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Quote from: DimensionZ on April 01, 2016, 06:52:34 AM

I think there are 3 ways the government can deal with Bitcoin. The 1st way is that they could legalize it and the exchanges would need to buy licenses. The 2nd way is they would just not deal with it and let it run without control (like it's now for most of the countries). And the 3rd way is to ban it outright (like in Russia). I would prefer the 2nd and then the 1st one Wink

Stop spreading disinformation. Bitcoin in Russia is not banned, neither explicitly nor implicitly. There are a few drafts that aim to get there, but if enacted, they would have quite an opposite effect (given the positive attitude toward Bitcoin at the international level)

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Using bitcoin is not dangerous if you're wise and you don't doing anything illegal especially on darknet.
And i think nobody will trace you if you don't turning to much money, and making noise about it.
Use Montero for such activities, and you are good, just kidding Grin

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Quote from: BitHodler on April 03, 2016, 11:38:26 AM

Quote from: WEBcreator on April 01, 2016, 10:03:39 AM

Quote from: DimensionZ on April 01, 2016, 06:52:34 AM

The 2nd way is they would just not deal with it and let it run without control (like it's now for most of the countries).

They are not letting bitcoin as it is, the fact is that most country is not aware of bitcoin yet therefore they seems to make it looks like that they let it go without any proper guidance or rules on it however it is not like that. Either way, whichever ways they choose it wont effect bitcoin totally, just partially

Believe me, all countries are aware of Bitcoin. Even third world countries.

Some governments even see Bitcoin as currency as a real threat to their economy. That's why they try to make it very difficult for people to use Bitcoin.

Some countries may even put you in prison for using Bitcoin. It's beyond ridiculous, but it's real stuff.

Do you know of anyone who did actually get behind the bars for just holding Bitcoin (I don't mean tax evasion or things like that)?

How real is that?

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But we still need some order here, and we all risking greatly when we sending our precious coins to non regulated exchanges, and this must be changed. I don't know how but we must find some solutions. Or we are going to be GOXed every year, every month..

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Quote from: BitHodler on April 03, 2016, 11:38:26 AM

Quote from: WEBcreator on April 01, 2016, 10:03:39 AM

Quote from: DimensionZ on April 01, 2016, 06:52:34 AM

The 2nd way is they would just not deal with it and let it run without control (like it's now for most of the countries).

They are not letting bitcoin as it is, the fact is that most country is not aware of bitcoin yet therefore they seems to make it looks like that they let it go without any proper guidance or rules on it however it is not like that. Either way, whichever ways they choose it wont effect bitcoin totally, just partially

Believe me, all countries are aware of Bitcoin. Even third world countries.

Some governments even see Bitcoin as currency as a real threat to their economy. That's why they try to make it very difficult for people to use Bitcoin.

Some countries may even put you in prison for using Bitcoin. It's beyond ridiculous, but it's real stuff.

It sounds a bit surreal that some one can go to prison for something simple as using Bitcoin. This says a lot about the countries that put these policies to action. Criminals get less punishment in many cases. It's insane.

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Quote from: 23dzmaz on April 03, 2016, 11:44:36 AM

Quote from: btc-facebook on April 03, 2016, 11:10:07 AM

Actually if bitcoin and goverment can cooperate together , bitcoin mobility will increase as it will affect on global transaction which make profit for some company. Let say if fast food restaurant or hotel accept bitcoin as legal currency. Goverment can also charge their tax for income that can make country keep growing and develop !

I agree with you. If goverment can coorporate with bitcoin and accept bitcoin for a payment in that country. I'm sure more people will use bitcoin and it will affect the bitcoin's price.

The thing is, there will never be co-operation between the government and Bitcoin. As long as they can't control it, there is no way they will start accepting it as something that the government recognizes. If you can think of anything that the government doesn't have control of, let me know, because they have the power to take away anything you own. With Bitcoin, it can be hidden and protected by yourself and made impossible to be controlled.

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Quote from: btc-facebook on April 03, 2016, 11:10:07 AM

Actually if bitcoin and goverment can cooperate together , bitcoin mobility will increase as it will affect on global transaction which make profit for some company. Let say if fast food restaurant or hotel accept bitcoin as legal currency. Goverment can also charge their tax for income that can make country keep growing and develop !

I agree with you. If goverment can coorporate with bitcoin and accept bitcoin for a payment in that country. I'm sure more people will use bitcoin and it will affect the bitcoin's price.

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Quote from: WEBcreator on April 01, 2016, 10:03:39 AM

Quote from: DimensionZ on April 01, 2016, 06:52:34 AM

The 2nd way is they would just not deal with it and let it run without control (like it's now for most of the countries).

They are not letting bitcoin as it is, the fact is that most country is not aware of bitcoin yet therefore they seems to make it looks like that they let it go without any proper guidance or rules on it however it is not like that. Either way, whichever ways they choose it wont effect bitcoin totally, just partially

Believe me, all countries are aware of Bitcoin. Even third world countries.

Some governments even see Bitcoin as currency as a real threat to their economy. That's why they try to make it very difficult for people to use Bitcoin.

Some countries may even put you in prison for using Bitcoin. It's beyond ridiculous, but it's real stuff.

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Actually if bitcoin and goverment can cooperate together , bitcoin mobility will increase as it will affect on global transaction which make profit for some company. Let say if fast food restaurant or hotel accept bitcoin as legal currency. Goverment can also charge their tax for income that can make country keep growing and develop !

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The UK government has already put an expert on the job who recommended that government depts could benefit greatly from using blockchain technology.

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Quote from: rizkyhiw on April 02, 2016, 02:50:17 PM

Quote from: pooya87 on April 02, 2016, 01:39:18 AM

i believe Government will never fully adopt bitcoin, and even in some countries (just like today) the government will never allow the usage of bitcoin.

but in general i think they are going to eventually regulate bitcoin, even if they don't agree with it completely they can't stop the financial revolution from happening so they will get on board eventually.

you dont mention until when goverment will not fully adopt bitcoin?i think in future it might happen,goverment start consider bitcoin as payment just because in future everything goes digitaly.

If the world goes digital in the coming years, the government won't still adopt bitcoin...They have no control in it which I think could give government reason not to adopt it.. Maybe government would try to duplicate bitcoin's technology only that it will be centralized and under the control of the state..

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Quote from: pooya87 on April 02, 2016, 01:39:18 AM

i believe Government will never fully adopt bitcoin, and even in some countries (just like today) the government will never allow the usage of bitcoin.

but in general i think they are going to eventually regulate bitcoin, even if they don't agree with it completely they can't stop the financial revolution from happening so they will get on board eventually.

you dont mention until when goverment will not fully adopt bitcoin?i think in future it might happen,goverment start consider bitcoin as payment just because in future everything goes digitaly.

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Quote from: JosNekoKopa on April 02, 2016, 02:43:07 AM

They don't have need to adopt it, they will make rules for using it in legal business, and regulations will be very strict so forget usage of bitcoin in Darknet. This will be wind in back for many anon coins, Bitcoin is first, but not least on Darknet.

but bitcoin cannot be given rules or laws bitcoin currency is a decentralized and anonymous can not be taken over by the government or a corporate entity
I think bitcoin was no need legalization of government right ?

Government wont really need to legalize bitcoin because is decentralized and people who uses the bitcoin are its government and it depends on the user to user what ever they want with bitcoin.

Well legalizing of bitcoin would surely create some negativity in the usage of bitcoin, as the government will try to have control and make transactions possible only through their assigned networks.

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Quote from: nostal02 on March 28, 2016, 10:26:11 PM

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Quote from: knowhow on March 28, 2016, 09:52:46 PM

Make bitcoin not being legalized at some countries just will opend the black market with people making fortunes into bitcoin ,the same way as happens at dollars at Argentina the goverment tryed to control but the outside market reacted on the same moment.

Argentina does not represent the typical government, but yes, it does show that a government's efforts at limiting bitcoin will fail.

Banning bitcoin will just really result in fail as the government cant really track their citizens constantly and people wont even allow that they are being tracked.

I think it's only natural if the government did that certainly the government will protect their citizens and their currency of bitcoin. because bitcoin has the potential to become a popular currency and replace their currency
so it is natural that the government banned the use of bitcoin in the country

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Quote from: maxj57634 on April 02, 2016, 04:49:31 AM

Quote from: MedaR on April 02, 2016, 03:54:31 AM

Regulations are necessary at least exchanges must be regulated because they can steal money and run away, we had this example many times before. That is why we need protection. That cannot harm Bitcoin can only bring more people who are insecure. Maybe this can trigger mass adoption.

The companies who are in bitcoin can be regulated by the government and that is why they required KYC just like coinbase is doing.
With this users in coinbase will be not anonymous anymore.

this actually against the nature of bitcoin yeah the pseudoanonymous [not anonymous] it's clearly that government will not accept bitcoin officially as their currency, but nowdays people still using bitcoin and trade them as like stock, yup gold, silver and so on

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Quote from: MedaR on April 02, 2016, 03:54:31 AM

Regulations are necessary at least exchanges must be regulated because they can steal money and run away, we had this example many times before. That is why we need protection. That cannot harm Bitcoin can only bring more people who are insecure. Maybe this can trigger mass adoption.

The companies who are in bitcoin can be regulated by the government and that is why they required KYC just like coinbase is doing.
With this users in coinbase will be not anonymous anymore.

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