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hero member
Activity: 1036
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July 19, 2017, 11:51:48 AM

That rig will easily give you 168 MH/s on ETH

For how many days you have the 168 MH/s on ETH and by when you have 100 MH/s left? In few weeks? Smiley

Spoken like a true clueless Nvidia fan boy that's bad at math!

Your great math skills we know already (you finished ground school with them?) - just stay in your AMD bubble and wait till even the hardware is worth nothing anymore Wink

I just showed your statement about the AMD hash drop was factually wrong, just like the rest of the nonsense you keep running your mouth on like an idiot, without even knowing the basic facts about what you are talking about!
legendary
Activity: 4172
Merit: 8075
'The right to privacy matters'
July 19, 2017, 11:41:13 AM

$1400 6 RX 570 4GB cards
$300 1200W EVGA P2 PSU
$80 ASRock or Biostar 6 PCI-e mining motherboard
$55 Pentium CPU
$35 4GB RAM
$20 32GB USB Flash Drive
$45 6 powered risers
= >$2000

That rig will easily give you 168 MH/s on ETH with 4300 MH/s on DCR dual mining or 1800+ H/s on ZEC and a faster ROI for more profit. For the same $1400 spent on cards, you can only buy two 1080 Ti, which won't come close to the six RX 570 4GB cards in mining performance.

 For around $2400 (probably a bit less), you can build a NON-RISER 3x 1080ti rig - use one of the Zotac shortie cards in the 3'd slot to let the middle slot card cool, and a pair of Gigabyte Windforce full-size cards for the other 2 slots.

 Ballpark 2200-2300 hash/s on ZEC and don't have to count on FINDING cheap RX-series cards that are commonly "LIMIT 1 per 48 hours" when you can find them in stock AT ALL for under $300.

 Expecting to find RX-series cards at $233 each is a pipe dream anyway at this time.



I can order

3 x 1080 ti's for               2070 
1 x z270 mobo for             100
1 x 850 watt psu for          130
1 x 8gb stick of ram for       60
1 x cpu g4400      for           55
1 x usb 64gb usb stick for    20
1 x riser for  about              15

total  of about 2500

put it on paypal  six months to pay

have the gear by friday

mine  about 2200 sols for zec  earn  12 a day
spend 600 watts  or 1.50 a day for power  at 10 cents    this is 10.50  profit per day

no money out of pocket  and don't have to pay for 180 days.

this is not a burst bubble.  it is a deflating  ballon.

I agree with that. But in my country, we have to pay first for the goods.



Yeah one good thing about USA is price for pc gear.  Lots of not so good things but a few good things.
newbie
Activity: 56
Merit: 0
July 19, 2017, 11:27:25 AM
rx 570 and rx 580 are now in stock where i live however their prices were updated, from $230 to $330, that is almost 50% increase. Only idiots will buy them.

... Only idiots [where you live] will buy them.
newbie
Activity: 69
Merit: 0
July 19, 2017, 11:25:01 AM

$1400 6 RX 570 4GB cards
$300 1200W EVGA P2 PSU
$80 ASRock or Biostar 6 PCI-e mining motherboard
$55 Pentium CPU
$35 4GB RAM
$20 32GB USB Flash Drive
$45 6 powered risers
= >$2000

That rig will easily give you 168 MH/s on ETH with 4300 MH/s on DCR dual mining or 1800+ H/s on ZEC and a faster ROI for more profit. For the same $1400 spent on cards, you can only buy two 1080 Ti, which won't come close to the six RX 570 4GB cards in mining performance.

 For around $2400 (probably a bit less), you can build a NON-RISER 3x 1080ti rig - use one of the Zotac shortie cards in the 3'd slot to let the middle slot card cool, and a pair of Gigabyte Windforce full-size cards for the other 2 slots.

 Ballpark 2200-2300 hash/s on ZEC and don't have to count on FINDING cheap RX-series cards that are commonly "LIMIT 1 per 48 hours" when you can find them in stock AT ALL for under $300.

 Expecting to find RX-series cards at $233 each is a pipe dream anyway at this time.



I can order

3 x 1080 ti's for               2070 
1 x z270 mobo for             100
1 x 850 watt psu for          130
1 x 8gb stick of ram for       60
1 x cpu g4400      for           55
1 x usb 64gb usb stick for    20
1 x riser for  about              15

total  of about 2500

put it on paypal  six months to pay

have the gear by friday

mine  about 2200 sols for zec  earn  12 a day
spend 600 watts  or 1.50 a day for power  at 10 cents    this is 10.50  profit per day

no money out of pocket  and don't have to pay for 180 days.

this is not a burst bubble.  it is a deflating  ballon.

I agree with that. But in my country, we have to pay first for the goods.
legendary
Activity: 4172
Merit: 8075
'The right to privacy matters'
July 19, 2017, 10:40:31 AM

$1400 6 RX 570 4GB cards
$300 1200W EVGA P2 PSU
$80 ASRock or Biostar 6 PCI-e mining motherboard
$55 Pentium CPU
$35 4GB RAM
$20 32GB USB Flash Drive
$45 6 powered risers
= >$2000

That rig will easily give you 168 MH/s on ETH with 4300 MH/s on DCR dual mining or 1800+ H/s on ZEC and a faster ROI for more profit. For the same $1400 spent on cards, you can only buy two 1080 Ti, which won't come close to the six RX 570 4GB cards in mining performance.

 For around $2400 (probably a bit less), you can build a NON-RISER 3x 1080ti rig - use one of the Zotac shortie cards in the 3'd slot to let the middle slot card cool, and a pair of Gigabyte Windforce full-size cards for the other 2 slots.

 Ballpark 2200-2300 hash/s on ZEC and don't have to count on FINDING cheap RX-series cards that are commonly "LIMIT 1 per 48 hours" when you can find them in stock AT ALL for under $300.

 Expecting to find RX-series cards at $233 each is a pipe dream anyway at this time.



I can order

3 x 1080 ti's for               2070 
1 x z270 mobo for             100
1 x 850 watt psu for          130
1 x 8gb stick of ram for       60
1 x cpu g4400      for           55
1 x usb 64gb usb stick for    20
1 x riser for  about              15

total  of about 2500

put it on paypal  six months to pay

have the gear by friday

mine  about 2200 sols for zec  earn  12 a day
spend 600 watts  or 1.50 a day for power  at 10 cents    this is 10.50  profit per day

no money out of pocket  and don't have to pay for 180 days.

this is not a burst bubble.  it is a deflating  ballon.
full member
Activity: 168
Merit: 100
July 19, 2017, 08:08:35 AM

That rig will easily give you 168 MH/s on ETH

For how many days you have the 168 MH/s on ETH and by when you have 100 MH/s left? In few weeks? Smiley

Spoken like a true clueless Nvidia fan boy that's bad at math!

Your great math skills we know already (you finished ground school with them?) - just stay in your AMD bubble and wait till even the hardware is worth nothing anymore Wink
hero member
Activity: 1036
Merit: 606
July 19, 2017, 06:33:29 AM

That rig will easily give you 168 MH/s on ETH

For how many days you have the 168 MH/s on ETH and by when you have 100 MH/s left? In few weeks? Smiley

Spoken like a true clueless Nvidia fan boy that's bad at math! You don't understand the epoch problem. I think you need to watch this video to understand what is going on with the RX 4XX/5XX epcoh hash drop.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQE9WdhupAg

Bottom line is the ETH epoch will be in the 160's by the end of the year and probably less if the block times keep increasing. By then if nothing is done to resolve the issue, the Claymore benchmarks show about a 25% hash drop by epoch 160, which in my own tests, I found the Claymore benchmarks to be overstating the actual hash drop from epoch changes.

The bigger and more relevant issue is at the latest ETH dev meeting last Friday, it was stated they have no plans to address the the increase in block times and difficulty due to the ongoing programmed ICE AGE before the Metropolis POW/POS hybrid release due by November this year. This means at the current price, ETH will no longer be profitable to mine for most people by the end of August once the difficulty retargets as programmed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRQg_lHEKl4&t=2520s

The ICE AGE affects ALL ETH miners, ESPECIALLY Nvidia ETH miners, since they are ALREADY much less efficient at mining ETH compared to the AMD cards that cost less than half. I get watching smart people that didn't over pay for their GPU's making more money than those that spent the same amount and are making less must suck!
sr. member
Activity: 489
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July 19, 2017, 04:44:16 AM
Eth making its come back  Grin
sr. member
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Xtreme Monster
full member
Activity: 168
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July 19, 2017, 03:54:10 AM
Is it still worthwhile investing in gpu rigs?, I'm more of the notion you have more to gain at buying either Btc or Ether and trading.

only if you could find rx 570 for $150 or so. Yes is better to buy eth for now. I think eth will reach 0.02 btc soon.

eth past 0.02 btc long time ago...

i guess he mean 0.2 btc Wink
newbie
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Merit: 0
July 19, 2017, 03:14:13 AM
Is it still worthwhile investing in gpu rigs?, I'm more of the notion you have more to gain at buying either Btc or Ether and trading.

only if you could find rx 570 for $150 or so. Yes is better to buy eth for now. I think eth will reach 0.02 btc soon.

eth past 0.02 btc long time ago...
sr. member
Activity: 2142
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Xtreme Monster
July 19, 2017, 02:59:16 AM
Is it still worthwhile investing in gpu rigs?, I'm more of the notion you have more to gain at buying either Btc or Ether and trading.

only if you could find rx 570 for $150 or so. Yes is better to buy eth for now. I think eth will reach 0.02 btc soon.
sr. member
Activity: 672
Merit: 250
July 19, 2017, 02:43:34 AM
Is it still worthwhile investing in gpu rigs?, I'm more of the notion you have more to gain at buying either Btc or Ether and trading.
full member
Activity: 168
Merit: 100
July 19, 2017, 02:37:17 AM

That rig will easily give you 168 MH/s on ETH

For how many days you have the 168 MH/s on ETH and by when you have 100 MH/s left? In few weeks? Smiley
legendary
Activity: 1498
Merit: 1030
July 19, 2017, 02:36:13 AM

$1400 6 RX 570 4GB cards
$300 1200W EVGA P2 PSU
$80 ASRock or Biostar 6 PCI-e mining motherboard
$55 Pentium CPU
$35 4GB RAM
$20 32GB USB Flash Drive
$45 6 powered risers
= >$2000

That rig will easily give you 168 MH/s on ETH with 4300 MH/s on DCR dual mining or 1800+ H/s on ZEC and a faster ROI for more profit. For the same $1400 spent on cards, you can only buy two 1080 Ti, which won't come close to the six RX 570 4GB cards in mining performance.

 For around $2400 (probably a bit less), you can build a NON-RISER 3x 1080ti rig - use one of the Zotac shortie cards in the 3'd slot to let the middle slot card cool, and a pair of Gigabyte Windforce full-size cards for the other 2 slots.

 Ballpark 2200-2300 hash/s on ZEC and don't have to count on FINDING cheap RX-series cards that are commonly "LIMIT 1 per 48 hours" when you can find them in stock AT ALL for under $300.

 Expecting to find RX-series cards at $233 each is a pipe dream anyway at this time.

legendary
Activity: 1498
Merit: 1030
July 19, 2017, 02:25:08 AM

Actually two 1080Ti's will give you 1600 sols worth of ZEC which is pretty close in hash rate to the system you specced out except you can just throw those 2 Ti's in your current rig and mitigate all of the other costs (except maybe PSU) while having a machine that can run any game in the world at 4k 60fps.

Pretty sure id take that over the dedicated mining rig because I like to game.

I doubt you could get 1600 H/s out of two $700 1080 Ti's, which are usually the blower model cards for that price, without overheating the cards, especially in a case. Even so, the extra $230 spent on the accessories can be made up easy with the AMD cards by dual mining ETH, which is more profitable and you still have the hardware that can also be resold. If you want a system you could also game with then yes, the 1080 Ti's are a better choice, but not the most profitable choice.

 The Gigabyte 3-fan Windforce model is frequently available at $699 on Newegg, and there's usually 1 or 2 other NON-BLOWER models at that price point on sale.
 I don't pay attention to the Founder's Edition cards as the cooling on those is fairly poor and they clock a good bit lower.

 Blower models work BETTER in a case in most cases, since they're blowing lots of air OUT of the case instead of just recirculating it.


 On the other hand, 2 x GTX 1080ti is overkill for pretty much all gaming - *1* can handle about anything out there at 60dps on a 4k display.

sr. member
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Xtreme Monster
July 19, 2017, 01:19:42 AM
rx 570 and rx 580 are now in stock where i live however their prices were updated, from $230 to $330, that is almost 50% increase. Only idiots will buy them.
newbie
Activity: 56
Merit: 0
July 19, 2017, 12:20:28 AM
Again for the 12th time in the past 2 months this is not a bubble by the economic standards set down by the United States government and the Commodities Market. This has not yet reached the point of a bubble the increase was too gradual and leveling off. Is too long this is not a bubble stop using the word bubble please.

Bubble, bubble toil and trouble.

If it looks like a bubble, smells like a bubble, tastes like a bubble... then hey I'm gonna call it a bubble!

Bubble or not ETH is still making $8 a day for 4 470 that cost $800 total.
full member
Activity: 258
Merit: 104
July 19, 2017, 12:14:29 AM
Again for the 12th time in the past 2 months this is not a bubble by the economic standards set down by the United States government and the Commodities Market. This has not yet reached the point of a bubble the increase was too gradual and leveling off. Is too long this is not a bubble stop using the word bubble please.

Bubble, bubble toil and trouble.

If it looks like a bubble, smells like a bubble, tastes like a bubble... then hey I'm gonna call it a bubble!
jr. member
Activity: 48
Merit: 1
July 18, 2017, 09:44:37 PM
so in the uk it seems nvidia graphics 1060/1070 cards are now pretty much oos and selling on ebay for same price as new. So the bubble from what i can see is bursting, difficulty for eth has gone nearly 4x in few months. I guess everyone wants free money.

Yeah, and I'm pretty sure a lot of these people are noobs with hardware and will be like "please help, I bought overpriced cards to mine eth, now it's gone to POS, don't know what to mine". In a way I think this "bubble" if we can call it that is a good thing.

There are probably also those who buy the GPUs just to sell them back for more.

I'd still like AMD to communicate a bit more. It's hard to guess when some stock will get here. I read that a big german retailer was saying it'll take another 3 months for things to get back to somewhat normal...

I'm anticipating prices and stock for these cards to come back to reality around December
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